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[khh]

In my opinion there will be Nuclear war within the whole world and after that the Army of Imam Mahdi will rise and starts it march towards its destiny to fullfill the orders of Allah Subhana ho Wata-Alah.......Insha-Allah.....

[CounterPunch]

In my opinion there will be Nuclear war within the whole world and after that the Army of Imam Mahdi will rise and starts it march towards its destiny to fullfill the orders of Allah Subhana ho Wata-Alah.......Insha-Allah.....

I guess, any war from now on, involving 2 respectable forces would be nuclear. I can't see a nuclear army going down and then seeing its arsenal going into hands of enemy and not actually using it..May be this is the fact that the armies realise and this is the sole reason for this 'so-called' peace amongst the arch rivals..

[rungroot]

Ladies and Gents,

I must voice my concerns about the misinterpretations of the Ahadith that speak of the future. They are meant as Intel for us to be aware of and are NOT meant for us to just sit back and do nothing until those predictions come true. I fear that majority of the Muslims are misinterpreting the Ahadith about the return of Hazrat Isa AS, Imam Ehdi and the Army of Khurasan and as a result of the misinterpretation, they fail to carry out their duties as ordered by Allah SWT to always struggle and strive against injustice and tyranny, fitnah and fasad. I am afraid that the vast majority of us have subconciously decided that they should NOT organize themselves and wage a comprehensive struggle against fitnah and fasad just because Hazrat Imam Ehdi or Hazrat Isa AS are not here yet so we all should just lazily sit back and just wait for them and only just do dua, durood, namaz, roza and zakat, nothing else. BIG BIG BIG MEGA BIG MISTAKE; Hazrat Isa RA and Hazrat Imam Ehdi will come when they come, only Allah knows best; that does NOT excuse us from our God given responsibilities!!!

[khh]

The time of Hazrat Imam Mehdi is very very near to take the command of the world world ......Alhamdolillah!!!........

[faizan khaliq]

I read Niamat ullah shah wali,s predictions about Indus river will be flooded with Blood (though this whole episode is confusing including Mehdi and essa) means there will be a civil war between Munafeqeen and momineen before Gazwa e hind can take Place.War with in Pakistan is more important ,Pakistan can take on the world if war is imposed on them provided Momineen are ruling the country and not munafiqeen of today.

[HKK]

Ladies and Gents,

I must voice my concerns about the misinterpretations of the Ahadith that speak of the future. They are meant as Intel for us to be aware of and are NOT meant for us to just sit back and do nothing until those predictions come true. I fear that majority of the Muslims are misinterpreting the Ahadith about the return of Hazrat Isa AS, Imam Ehdi and the Army of Khurasan and as a result of the misinterpretation, they fail to carry out their duties as ordered by Allah SWT to always struggle and strive against injustice and tyranny, fitnah and fasad. I am afraid that the vast majority of us have subconciously decided that they should NOT organize themselves and wage a comprehensive struggle against fitnah and fasad just because Hazrat Imam Ehdi or Hazrat Isa AS are not here yet so we all should just lazily sit back and just wait for them and only just do dua, durood, namaz, roza and zakat, nothing else. BIG BIG BIG MEGA BIG MISTAKE; Hazrat Isa RA and Hazrat Imam Ehdi will come when they come, only Allah knows best; that does NOT excuse us from our God given responsibilities!!!

Exactly my point. Problem is that not many people are aware of these prophecies and people who do basically ignore them even the Islamic scholors. Why there is a complete silence from people like Imran Hossain on this particular matter. Is it hard to comprehend that Pakistan in it own right it a great country with great ancient civilization surpassing the babylon and eygpt, and through which we have been choosen to set in motion the plan of Allah for final victory over evil. Is it hard to connect dots from ancient history, archeology, islamic prophecies and Quran to understand what lies in future. We are ourselves to be blamed, specially our own Pakistani scholors who dont educate our masses and keep them in dark about these matters. These issues should be part of our education cirricullum where young people are told from very early age about why Pakistan came into being and why it is absolutely essential to ensure that Pakistan is self suffient in every walk of life so much so that it can , on its own take on all the challanges that are thrown at it in future, in light of Islamic prophecies. But at present, we are , or shall I say, our liberal elites have alligned Pakistan with the same forces of evil who we are suppose to tackle in future.

[khh]

I read Niamat ullah shah wali,s predictions about Indus river will be flooded with Blood (though this whole episode is confusing including Mehdi and essa) means there will be a civil war between Munafeqeen and momineen before Gazwa e hind can take Place.War with in Pakistan is more important ,Pakistan can take on the world if war is imposed on them provided Momineen are ruling the country and not munafiqeen of today.

Yes! there will obviously be a war between Momineen and Munafiqeen with the Munafiqeen will be supported by the West/Evils/Satanists and the Momineen with the Nusrat of Allah Subhan-Naho-Wata-Alah.....Insha-Allah!.....

[HKK]

During the Miraj (Isra):

The Prophet (PBUH) saw a pearl-like white column (`amud) which the angels were carrying. He said: "What is this you are carrying?" They replied: "The Column of Islam. We have been ordered to place it in Syria." (End of al-Shami's addition.)


Column is the word normally associated with the formations of armies. The army who will finish off Al-hind will find Eesa (AS) in Syria.









Then they brought up the matter of the Hour and referred it to Ibrahim, but he said: "I have no knowledge of it." They turned to Musa but he said: "I have no knowledge of it." They turned to `Isa and he said:

As for the time when it shall befall, no one knows it except Allah. As for what my Lord has assured me (concerning what precedes it), then: the Dajjal or Antichrist will come forth and I will face him with two rods. At my sight he shall melt like lead: Allah shall cause his destruction as soon as he sees me. It will be so that the very stones will say: O Muslim, behind me hides a disbeliever, therefore come and kill him! And Allah shall cause them all to die.
People will then return to their countries and nations. At that time Ya’juj and Ma’juj (Gog and Magog) shall come out. They will come from every direction. They will trample all nations underfoot. Whatever they come upon they will destroy. They will drink up every body of water.
At last the people will come to me complaining about them. At that time I will invoke Allah against them so that He will destroy them and cause their death until the whole earth will reek of their stench. Allah will send down rain which shall carry their bodies away and hurl them into the sea.
I have been assured by my Lord that once all this takes place then the Hour will be as the pregnant mother at the last stages of her pregnancy. Her family does not know when she shall suddenly give birth by night or by day. (End of al-Shami’s addition)

[cheif No 1]

Guys i have heard and than googled it to see if Imam is already born. Too many people are now saying that he has bprned in Syria?? what is your opinion??

[PakSniper786]

Guys i have heard and than googled it to see if Imam is already born. Too many people are now saying that he has bprned in Syria?? what is your opinion??

Only Allah knows, if he's born or not. And also, there are many opinions in regards to the Mahdi some people say the hadith are authentic or not.

[rungroot]

Guys i have heard and than googled it to see if Imam is already born. Too many people are now saying that he has bprned in Syria?? what is your opinion??

Bluntly put, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IF HE IS BORN OR NOT! Instead, worry about if you and the life that you are living is worthy of him noticing you and taking you as one of his right hand men. Live your life as if he is going to arrive tomorrow and would choose you as one of the officers in his armed forces instead of ignoring you.

[HKK]

One thing I would also like to add, just based on my personal oberservations, there is a stark resemblance in the way both Pashtu and hebrew sound. Hebrew is driven from Aramaic , the language of Essa AS (Jesus). I think most of the Pakistanis agree that Pashtu almost sound like alien language when compared to other regional languages and Urdu. There are hardly any similarities between Pashtu and other languages of Pakistan. Maybe, just maybe, Pashtu could be the modern form of defunct Aramaic. Bear in mind, there are number of years missing in the documented life of Essa AS (Jesus) and it is beleived that he made a journey to this part of the world. If he did make that journey, then the question arise , why? Why not Arabia, why not Europe? Could it be that he wanted to be among his own people. Remember, he only came as a prophet for israelite only, not Arabs or anyone else, it is another thing that those israelite in holy lands rejected him. Cant think of any other reason for him to make this journey far off from Palestine for any other purpose. I have read somewhere, that Imam Mahdi will drive his blood line both from Essa (AS) and Mohammad (SAW) and will have israelite features. If that journey was made by Essa (AS) , only Allah knows best, there is a strong chance that his blood line maybe carried on here in this part of the world among the Pathan tribes.


Is it just a conicident that Qais Abdur Rasheed, the first Pathan to embrass Islam is buried on Takht-e-Sulaiman (Throne of Solomon) in Baluchistan. He was 37th desendant of King Talut, the same Talut which is mentioned in Quran and who in western world is mentioned as King Saul. An un-named prophet mentioned in Quran (beleived to be Shamoyal, or Samuel in western world) appointed a commoner Talut to be king who will face might of Jalut and protect isrealites. Talut is the one who raised a small army against Jalut (Goliath). According to one Hadees, their numbers was exactly the same as the Mujaheeden of Badar. Young Daood (AS) (David) who didnt have the prophethood then was in Talut's army. Suleman AS (Solomon) was Daood (AS) son. Suleman AS was the last king of united isrealite kingdom and after his death it split between "israel" and "Judah". Suleman (AS) desendants later ruled over Judah, and it is Judah from where, the Jews beleive they lost their ten tribes.




Only Allah knows best.

One correction here. Its not Judah but "House of israel" or the northern kingdom from where the ten tribes were forced into exile by babylon.

One very important point here to note. The term "Jew" originates from the Judah, or the people who where from southern kingdom of Judah. It has nothing to do with the people of israel (the ten lost tribes). So to say the ten tribes were "jewish" is highly misleading. Israelite, yes, but no way jews. Not in million years.

Which begs the question as to why on earth this illegal state of israel is named as "Israel". Israel was the house of lost tribes, not the jews (people of judah). They should have called it "Judah". Even the name is screwed up of this illegal state.



http://en.wikipedia....from_Israelites


Sir Alexander Burnes in his Travels into Bokhara, which he published in 1835, speaking of the Afghans said: "The Afghans call themselves Bani Israel, or the children of Israel, but consider the term Yahoodi, or Jew, to be one of reproach. They say that Nebuchadnezzar, after the overthrow of Israel, transplanted them into the towns of Ghore near Bamean and that they were called after their Chief Afghan they say that they lived as Israelites till Khalid summoned them in the first century of the Muhammadans Having precisely stated the traditions and history of the Afghans I see no good reason for discrediting them… the Afghans look like Jews and the younger brother marries the widow of the elder. The Afghans entertain strong prejudices against the Jewish nation, which would at least show that they have no desire to claim – without just cause – a descent from them. [Sir Alexander Burnes, Travels into Bokhara, Vol. 2:139-141.]
Burnes was again in 1837 sent as the first British Envoy to the Court of Kabul. For some time he was the guest of King Dost Mohammad Khan. He questioned the King about the descent of the Afghans from the Israelites. The King replied that "his people had no doubt of that, though they repudiated the idea of being Jews.

^^ (check out the year, it was long before the state of isreal was even conceived)





Thomas Ledlie wrote an article in the Calcutta Review, which he subsequently elaborated and published in two volumes. He expressed his views on the subject very clearly: "The Europeans always confuse things, when they consider the fact that the Afghans call themselves Bani Israel and yet reject their Jewish descent. Indeed, the Afghans discard the very idea of any descent from the Jews. They, however, yet claim themselves to be of Bani Israel." [Thomas Ledlie, More Ledlian, Calcutta Review, January, 1898]
Ledlie goes on to explain: "Israelites, or the Ten Tribes, to whom the term Israel was applied – after their separation from the House of David, and the tribe of Judah, which tribe retained the name of Judah and had a distinct history ever after. These last alone are called Jews and are distinguished from the Bani Israel as much in the East as in the West." [Ibid., 7]





In his 1957 book The Exiled and the Redeemed, Itzhak Ben-Zvi (http://en.wikipedia..../Itzhak_Ben-Zvi), second President of Israel, writes that Hebrew migrations into Afghanistan began, "with a sprinkling of exiles from Samaria who had been transplanted there by Shalmaneser, King of Assyria (719 BC)..."The Afghan tribes, among whom the Jews have lived for generations, are Moslems who retain to this day their amazing tradition about their descent from the Ten Tribes. It is an ancient tradition, and one not without some historical plausibility... if the Afghan tribes persistently adhere to the tradition that they were once Hebrews and in course of time embraced Islam, and there is not an alternative tradition also existent among them, they are certainly Jewish." [The Exiled and the Redeemed, 176]




Shalva Weil, anthropologist and senior researcher at the Hebrew University of Jerusalemsaid "Of all the groups, there is more convincing evidence about the Pathans than anybody else, but the Pathans are the ones who would reject Israel most ferociously. That is the sweet irony"



^^ My comments : All these so called "intellectuals" have failed to grasp the fact from their own history. The jews (people of Judah) have used their (Pathans) identity, the name of their country (House of Israel) for this illegal state of israel, and they failed to understand that this inbred hatred is just not based on the religious ground, the clue is in to the answer of why the house of david was divided into "isreal" and "judah", two separate states. The two became enemies for heaven sake. They were at logerheads with each other back then. That hatred has never died down and inbred in sub-conscience.


And yet they are clueless as to why Pathans hate isreal and jews (tribes of Judah). they think that the lost tribes will come back and build the kingdom of god after erecting the temple of solomon. I would say GOOD LUCK!!

[HKK]

I dont know the exact figure but "Bani Israel" is mentioned more then 40 times in Quran. Personally, I have always felt confused as to why Allah (SWT) will give so much importance to these "Jews/zoinist" or their country, but more I dig into this topic of lost tribes more I am starting to believe that Allah (SWT) may be actually refering to these "Lost tribes" who labelled themselves as "House of Isreal".

Majority of isrealite tribes moved into the northern kingdom of isrealite after the split, leaving only few tribes in the kindgom of judah. So it is fair to say that if Pathan are the lost tribes whos ancestors formed the northern kingdom, majority of "Bani Isreal" is now converted to Islam. Not only that but according to western defination of "Islamic fundamentalist", they certainly sit top on the list.

The Zionist/Khazars/Achkhanzi, they are all converted european jews, not the "Bani Isreal" from the sons of Yaqoob (AS) (Jacob). They are the ones, or let me rephrase, the majority of those (along side the people of Judah or jews) who created this current illegal state of isreal. And those bible thumping yanks who think of them and their country as some sort of gurranttee for the second coming of Eesa (AS), how wrong they are. Throw in Dajjal (Anti-Christ) in the middle and picture gets crystal clear.

Pakistan, as of today is the adobe of these tribes, and we house the major population of Pathans anywhere in the world. Consider this:
Both Pakistan and isreal more or less came into exsistance around the same time in history.
Both were formed in the name of religion.
One has the real and original people with lineage by blood to the "Bani Isreal" while the other one is majority of "imposters" or "wannabes".


If this is all co-incident and not the grand design of the Lord, the Almighty Allah (SWT), then I am open to suggestions to prove me wrong on whatever I have written in this topic as false.

[faizan khaliq]

I dont know the exact figure but "Bani Israel" is mentioned more then 40 times in Quran. Personally, I have always felt confused as to why Allah (SWT) will give so much importance to these "Jews/zoinist" or their country, but more I dig into this topic of lost tribes more I am starting to believe that Allah (SWT) may be actually refering to these "Lost tribes" who labelled themselves as "House of Isreal".

Majority of isrealite tribes moved into the northern kingdom of isrealite after the split, leaving only few tribes in the kindgom of judah. So it is fair to say that if Pathan are the lost tribes whos ancestors formed the northern kingdom, majority of "Bani Isreal" is now converted to Islam. Not only that but according to western defination of "Islamic fundamentalist", they certainly sit top on the list.

The Zionist/Khazars/Achkhanzi, they are all converted european jews, not the "Bani Isreal" from the sons of Yaqoob (AS) (Jacob). They are the ones, or let me rephrase, the majority of those (along side the people of Judah or jews) who created this current illegal state of isreal. And those bible thumping yanks who think of them and their country as some sort of gurranttee for the second coming of Eesa (AS), how wrong they are. Throw in Dajjal (Anti-Christ) in the middle and picture gets crystal clear.

Pakistan, as of today is the adobe of these tribes, and we house the major population of Pathans anywhere in the world. Consider this:
Both Pakistan and isreal more or less came into exsistance around the same time in history.
Both were formed in the name of religion.
One has the real and original people with lineage by blood to the "Bani Isreal" while the other one is majority of "imposters" or "wannabes".


If this is all co-incident and not the grand design of the Lord, the Almighty Allah (SWT), then I am open to suggestions to prove me wrong on whatever I have written in this topic as false.

haha brother ab pashtoonon nain sayadon ka pata bhi kaat diya.
on the serious note ''the bani Israel '' in quran have been mentioned negatively for their mischievousness , killing of prophets and their intellectual somersaults in order to reject the truth.Allah knows the best though somebody might have to carry out the DNA analysis of Pashtoons and jews after all they are suppose to be from one father that is Jacob who was known as Israel too (probably) .

[HKK]

haha brother ab pashtoonon nain sayadon ka pata bhi kaat diya. on the serious note ''the bani Israel '' in quran have been mentioned negatively for their mischievousness , killing of prophets and their intellectual somersaults in order to reject the truth.Allah knows the best though somebody might have to carry out the DNA analysis of Pashtoons and jews after all they are suppose to be from one father that is Jacob who was known as Israel too (probably) .

I agree bro but not all the times , like below سورة الاٴعرَاف وَتَمَّتْ كَلِمَتُ رَبِّكَ الْحُسْنَىٰ عَلَىٰ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ بِمَا صَبَرُوا ‌٧-١٣٧ and the good word of your Lord was fulfilled in the children of Israel because they bore up (sufferings) patiently(137-7) Someone who have more knowledge of Quran can shed the light on this matter but in my humble opinion, the word "Yahud" (jew) is mentioned separately to "Bani Isreal". Quran has, by refering to the number , mentioned 12 tribes (from 12 sons of Yaqoob AS). The jews say that they lost 10 tribes. Which left only 2 tribes from where the "Jews" came from , which were i believe "Judah" and "Benjamen". Jesus was from Judah tribe. It is not a rocket science to understand that majority of Bani isreal (10 tribes) have already left the building. My understanding is, the when Quran mentioned "Bani Isreal" , that is for the period from Yaqoob (AS) till Suleman (AS) and after that when there was split between Isreal and Judah, the term "Yahud" was mentioned refering to the remaining tribes. It doesnt matter what was in past. If we look at what happend to indus valley from what it was and where it endup without leaving any trace in human histroy, these things are for "ibrat" , to learn from them, we cannot hold the current generation of the crimes of ancestors. We are just trying to understand the Islamic prophecies with current ground realities.

And yes, the "nickname" of Hazrat Yaqoob AS (Jacob) was Israel.

[faizan khaliq]

I agree bro but not all the times , like below سورة الاٴعرَاف وَتَمَّتْ كَلِمَتُ رَبِّكَ الْحُسْنَىٰ عَلَىٰ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ بِمَا صَبَرُوا ‌٧-١٣٧ and the good word of your Lord was fulfilled in the children of Israel because they bore up (sufferings) patiently(137-7) Someone who have more knowledge of Quran can shed the light on this matter but in my humble opinion, the word "Yahud" (jew) is mentioned separately to "Bani Isreal". Quran has, by refering to the number , mentioned 12 tribes (from 12 sons of Yaqoob AS). The jews say that they lost 10 tribes. Which left only 2 tribes from where the "Jews" came from , which were i believe "Judah" and "Benjamen". Jesus was from Judah tribe. It is not a rocket science to understand that majority of Bani isreal (10 tribes) have already left the building. My understanding is, the when Quran mentioned "Bani Isreal" , that is for the period from Yaqoob (AS) till Suleman (AS) and after that when there was split between Isreal and Judah, the term "Yahud" was mentioned refering to the remaining tribes. It doesnt matter what was in past. If we look at what happend to indus valley from what it was and where it endup without leaving any trace in human histroy, these things are for "ibrat" , to learn from them, we cannot hold the current generation of the crimes of ancestors. We are just trying to understand the Islamic prophecies with current ground realities.

And yes, the "nickname" of Hazrat Yaqoob AS (Jacob) was Israel.

it makes perfect sense

[HKK]

We gave Moses the Book, and made it a Guide to the Children of Israel, (commanding): "Take not other than Me as Disposer of (your) affairs." Waatayna moosa alkitabawajaAAalnahu hudan libanee isra-eela allatattakhithoo min doonee wakeelan 17:3 O ye that are sprung from those whom We carried (in the Ark) with Noah! Verily he was a devotee most grateful. Thurriyyata man hamalnamaAAa noohin innahu kana AAabdan shakooran 17:4 And We gave (Clear) Warning to the Children of Israel in the Book, that twice would they do mischief on the earth and be elated with mighty arrogance (and twice would they be punished)! Waqadayna ila banee isra-eelafee alkitabi latufsidunna fee al-ardi marratayniwalataAAlunna AAuluwwan kabeeran 17:5 When the first of the warnings came to pass, We sent against you Our servants given to terrible warfare: They entered the very inmost parts of your homes; and it was a warning (completely) fulfilled. Fa-itha jaa waAAdu oolahumabaAAathna AAalaykum AAibadan lana oleeba/sin shadeedin fajasoo khilala alddiyariwakana waAAdan mafAAoolan 17:6 Then did We grant you the Return as against them: We gave you increase in resources and sons, and made you the more numerous in man-power. Thumma radadna lakumu alkarrataAAalayhim waamdadnakum bi-amwalin wabaneenawajaAAalnakum akthara nafeeran 17:7 If ye did well, ye did well for yourselves; if ye did evil, (ye did it) against yourselves. So when the second of the warnings came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to disfigure your faces, and to enter your Temple as they had entered it before, and to visit with destruction all that fell into their power. In ahsantum ahsantumli-anfusikum wa-in asa/tum falaha fa-itha jaawaAAdu al-akhirati liyasoo-oo wujoohakum waliyadkhulooalmasjida kama dakhaloohu awwala marratin waliyutabbiroo maAAalaw tatbeeran 17:8 It may be that your Lord may (yet) show Mercy unto you; but if ye revert (to your sins), We shall revert (to Our punishments): And we have made Hell a prison for those who reject (all Faith).

And We said after Pharaoh to the Children of Israel, "Dwell in the land, and when there comes the promise of the Hereafter, We will bring you forth in [one] gathering."

http://www.bibleinte...bes358016.shtml

For the search for them does not die, and indeed even seems to intensify and take on new forms and incarnations with each twist of history. The two elements undergirding their story —the geographic and the theological; the mystery concerning the tribes’ whereabouts, and the messianic and apocalyptic beliefs attached to their return—turned the ten tribes into a very hot topic from the moment the Bible became canonic for both Judaism and Christianity.

The story of the ten tribes as the bible tells it is pretty basic: After the death of King Solomon and under the rule of his incompetent son Rehoboam (r. c. 930– c. 915 BCE), the Kingdom of Israel split into two. In south, two of the tribes that were of Jacob’s offspring, Judah and Benjamin, formed the kingdom of Judah around the capital in Jerusalem. In the north, the other ten created the kingdom of Israel and built a new capital in Samaria. In 721 BCE, the Assyrian king (actually Sargon II, who reigned 722 – 705 BCE, though the Bible says it was Shalmaneser V [r. 727 to 722 BCE])—sacked the city and destroyed the kingdom. The ten tribes went into exile. Only Judah and Benjamin remained to tell the story. A little over a century later, Judah was also destroyed by the Babylonians, and went to its own exilic period captivity. But miraculously these exiles returned to Jerusalem from “the rivers of Babylon,” and rebuilt their temple when Persian emperor Cyrus allowed them to do so. This turn of events was in accordance with the prophecies of the great prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel, who promised return to Jerusalem. But the ten tribes never came back. They were lost, seemingly without a trace.

For Jews, the tribes symbolized the ultimate deliverance from bondage and exile, the final return. For Christians they symbolized the ultimate punishment as well as the possibility of vindicating the gospel. There are interesting parallelisms that show how both Jews and Christians were in fact in dialogue with each other over the question of the lost tribes. For most Jews the return of the ten tribes meant final redemption. For most Christians it was a sign of the apocalypse

Holy Prophet (PBUH) Discussed India with Hazrat Abu Huraira (RA) and told that:
"One of your Battalion will fight in India, Allah will give success to them to the level that they (Mujahideen) will enchain their (Hindus) rulers with clutches, and Allah will forgive sins of these warriors and when they return they will find Hazrat Esa (AS) in Damascus."

This prophecy narrated by Hazrat Safwan Bin Umru (RA) is Marfoh in the level . He said that some people told him that Holy Prophet (PBUH) said that
"Some people from My Umma will fight India. Allah will give them great success till they will enchain the rulers of India in clutches, Allah will forgive sins of these Mujahideen and when they will return Damascus they will find Hazrat Esa (AS) there".

Courtsey brother Dizasta

........ when the first drop of a Munafiq's blood drops in the Kaa'bah ........

........ the Black Flags Army shall rise from Khurasan and commence its earth rumbling march toward Damishque. Any force that tries to come in its path, shall be destroyed with ruthless destruction. Awaiting, upon reaching Damishque, the safron and beads of pearls and the Black Turban that shall lead the Salah of Fajr .........

........ the stones and trees of Lud shall cry out to the Black Flags and tell them of the Munafiqs, Yahuds and Kuffar that are hiding behind them, to come and kill them. That day shall be the day of reckoning, the day of justice, the day when no power shall hold and unfair advantage. The battle shall be fought and won by way of faith ........

[HKK]

6. And (remember) when 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allah unto you confirming the Taurat [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed
(surah as-saff, 6)







It is more or less becoming very important to investigate the "Lost years of Essa (AS)" believed to be from age 12 to 30 from Islamic point of view. It doesnt make sense what so ever that he will go to distance places from holy land to "learn" spirituality when he himself was the prophet of Allah. Only reason one can think of that he was "preaching" to "isrealite" who may have moved "away" from holy lands, as he was responsible for all "Bani-Israel".

It is very interesting to note that when the news of Islam and Prohpet (PBUH) reached to the leader of Pathans at that time, Qais Abdur Rasheed, he along with all Pathan tribes embraced Islam right away. As if they already knew and perhaps waiting for it as being fortold by "someone".

[Aliph Ahmed]

I would like to request mods to restore the old "Gazwa-e-Hind" topic from old PDF version. I actually raised the similar questions as to why it is called Ghazwa. It was discussed to death pages after pages there. Hopefully once it is restored, you can read it yourself.

http://forum.pakista...showtopic=88454

[Dizasta]

Courtsey brother Dizasta

........ when the first drop of a Munafiq's blood drops in the Kaa'bah ........ ........ the Black Flags Army shall rise from Khurasan and commence its earth rumbling march toward Damishque. Any force that tries to come in its path, shall be destroyed with ruthless destruction. Awaiting, upon reaching Damishque, the safron and beads of pearls and the Black Turban that shall lead the Salah of Fajr ......... ........ the stones and trees of Lud shall cry out to the Black Flags and tell them of the Munafiqs, Yahuds and Kuffar that are hiding behind them, to come and kill them. That day shall be the day of reckoning, the day of justice, the day when no power shall hold and unfair advantage. The battle shall be fought and won by way of faith ........

Dear brother HKK,

I have a correction to make on you accrediting me to this quote. I am NOT the one who wrote this descriptive quote on the Black Flags Army, rather it is Dr. Imran Hosein's son, Mujahid Hosein, who wrote this and I forgot to state his name under this quote. Brother Mujahid Hosein, wrote this in one of his articles, which is describing ..... poetically, the events which would transpire before, during and after the emergence of the Black Flags Army ..... also known as, the Army of Muhammad Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam.

your brother,

Diz!

[Caesar]

I am sorry be the spoiler again but Bible, Torah, etc are books written centuries after the Moses and Jesus's deaths. There is no way they have any authenticity. In fact the authors of these books blantantly copied babyloonian stories and presented them as their own.

[HKK]

I am sorry be the spoiler again but Bible, Torah, etc are books written centuries after the Moses and Jesus's deaths. There is no way they have any authenticity. In fact the authors of these books blantantly copied babyloonian stories and presented them as their own.

Agree. but what that got to do with the subject?

Infact Quran mentioned :




And We said after Pharaoh to the Children of Israel, "Dwell in the land, and when there comes the promise of the Hereafter, We will bring you forth in [one] gathering."


Clearly, there is a gathering of isrealites before the end times bound to happen and considering that not many among the group who call themselves "Jews" have got true "Bani Isreal" bloodline left in them, this all fits in with the subject under discussion.

Quran also mentioned about two clamities fell upon bani isreal, one was the distruction of northern kingdom (the lost tribes) and the next was the capture later by babylonians (the group where Jews came from).

[HKK]

Dear brother HKK,

I have a correction to make on you accrediting me to this quote. I am NOT the one who wrote this descriptive quote on the Black Flags Army, rather it is Dr. Imran Hosein's son, Mujahid Hosein, who wrote this and I forgot to state his name under this quote. Brother Mujahid Hosein, wrote this in one of his articles, which is describing ..... poetically, the events which would transpire before, during and after the emergence of the Black Flags Army ..... also known as, the Army of Muhammad Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam.

your brother,

Diz!

No worries bro,

Actually I was pointing to the fact that wheather it is black flag army or the one who will fight Gazwa-e-hind, the final destination is the same, i.e Syria. Hence, they are the same.

[HKK]

17:7 If ye did well, ye did well for yourselves; if ye did evil, (ye did it) against yourselves. So when the second of the warnings came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to disfigure your faces, and to enter your Temple as they had entered it before, and to visit with destruction all that fell into their power



It is very interesting to note that Quran mentionined the "disfiguring of the faces". Could it mean that people of Judah from where the jews came from, to whom the second Azab-e-elahi fell upon in the shape of Babylonians, lost their bani isreal gene due to rape , murder , forced marriages etc!!

If that is so, then Quran actually vindicates that the jews can hardly claim their lineage to bani isreal , besides majority of them are Khazars converts anyway.

On the other hand, Pashtuns have maintained their bloodline, tribes and hardly marry outside their own clan.

[PS:Annonymous]

here is something for ya all

[HKK]

^^ DOnt have time to go throught it. What is he saying? is it related to the topic under discussion?

[PS:Annonymous]

^^ DOnt have time to go throught it. What is he saying? is it related to the topic under discussion?

Duh!!! this is why i have posted it. he bring some valid and interesting points. he makes sense of it all.

[HKK]

Duh!!! this is why i have posted it. he bring some valid and interesting points. he makes sense of it all.

write them down, and i will reply to them if they are against of what I have written about Pushtuns as original Bani Isreal.

[HKK]

Duh!!! this is why i have posted it. he bring some valid and interesting points. he makes sense of it all.

After wasting an hour, anticipating that he may have discussed the topic under discussion i.e Pashtun origins of Bani Isreal, there was nothing in there.

Please post links which are related to the subject. There is a separate topic going on i beleive in media section dedicated to Imran Husain videos.

[HKK]

6. And (remember) when 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allah unto you confirming the Taurat [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed
(surah as-saff, 6)




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOqnnVJ78gk


It is more or less becoming very important to investigate the "Lost years of Essa (AS)" believed to be from age 12 to 30 from Islamic point of view. It doesnt make sense what so ever that he will go to distance places from holy land to "learn" spirituality when he himself was the prophet of Allah. Only reason one can think of that he was "preaching" to "isrealite" who may have moved "away" from holy lands, as he was responsible for all "Bani-Israel".

It is very interesting to note that when the news of Islam and Prohpet (PBUH) reached to the leader of Pathans at that time, Qais Abdur Rasheed, he along with all Pathan tribes embraced Islam right away. As if they already knew and perhaps waiting for it as being fortold by "someone".

If Pashtuns are the original bani Isreal, this will vindicate that Eesa (AS), son of Maryam (AS), did not fail in his mission as his responsibility was only to turn bani isreal to the path of Allah (SWT).

He has to come back to put the record straight and clear the stigmata that these people have put on him . i.e naozobillah he is the son of Allah (SWT) and also to confront the people of Judah (Jews) who rejected him. Something along this line is also mentioned in Gospel of Barnabas.

[HKK]

haha brother ab pashtoonon nain sayadon ka pata bhi kaat diya.
on the serious note ''the bani Israel '' in quran have been mentioned negatively for their mischievousness , killing of prophets and their intellectual somersaults in order to reject the truth.Allah knows the best though somebody might have to carry out the DNA analysis of Pashtoons and jews after all they are suppose to be from one father that is Jacob who was known as Israel too (probably) .

I dont think DNA test will prove anything. it is like comparing apples to oranges. Majority of jews/zionsts who are converts to Judaism are from the lands around the Caspian sea. They have nothing to do with the bani isreal.

Infact it should be other way round, with jews comparing their DNAs with Pashtuns to see if they are really from Bani Isreal.

[HKK]

It will be a sweet irony as well, where the people of Indus, the aryans , who build the "swastika" , formed a nation with the people of Bani Isreal.

[faizan khaliq]

It will be a sweet irony as well, where the people of Indus, the aryans , who build the "swastika" , formed a nation with the people of Bani Isreal.

Aryans kept religion before ...race because they had their Hindu and Sikh clan mates whereas Pakhtoons are 100% Muslims so the nationalism and religion does not oppose to each other like in Punjab and Sindh

[HKK]

This is what was found in our indus valley which we should owe exclusively, just like eygptians owe their civilization.

http://en.wikipedia....s_swastikas.JPG


When Nazi Germany used Swastika to persicute jews, in this background, Pakistan today comprise of people who are original Aryans (The people who created swastika) and the people who are original Bani Isreal , the Pashtun (people of star of david).

Both these symbols were hijacked by other nations/people .

[faizan khaliq]

HKK WHERE ARE YOU ,BUSY OR JUST RELAXING

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

[faizan khaliq]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHoX72vB4Nw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYpXmCxj3_k

Ahadees mentioning khurasaan are weak the only one hadees seems to be ahsan which mentions army from east now what is east of madina ????draw the line where it passes through try to relate it with that , now one thing for sure that these khawarij TPP etc can never be from Mehdi army despite their black flags

[faizan khaliq]

IF we draw a line towards east it passes through masqat to Arabian sea to karachi hydarabd so no chance for this present set up to host Mehdi/army of black flags, Mullah Omer and Ahmadi najad are out of this race so Hadees is haq but time is not based on our wishful thinking

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

the Christian perspective on the End of Times: various issues remind a lot before the arrival of Dajjal