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[Khalqat]

Brother i dont get it? I never mentioned myself being NAIK or PARSA? Where did this ''personal stuff'' come from?

If you meant that Allah shall provide justice, then you are correct and i welcome your comment, as Allah is the supreme judge, but until the commencement of the day of judgement; we humans will have to continue to provide Allah's judgements and justice should be provided according to the wish of Allah SWT.

Now i know that our entire judiciary system is based upon the english law... I am against it ofcorse... But the anti-Islamic rules shall be replaced by the ones of Islamic Shariat... or upon the wishes of Allah... Is this what you meant by the above; implying that i should stop following the country's law?

This is what you have to understand brother man... You can never win an argument based on the punch line of Justice, at least as far as our politicians are concerned. First of all, it is next to impossible to find justice for our political misgivings. Things are just terribly terribly twisted. Besides Justice is such a strong word, that it has been advised by buzurgs not to include Justice in our prayers --- just an FYI. This is one of the reasons I never believed that Imran Khan's PTI would ever get any where.

You have to think for your self here, and think logically and not emotionally. No one in Pakistan can claim to provide justice - if there is one, then he is as stupid as they come.

As far as introduction of Sharia Law is concerned, I am all for it, but I also know that this cannot happen overnight and would require years of work before getting implemented for all practical reasons.

[Zola]

This is what you have to understand brother man... You can never win an argument based on the punch line of Justice, at least as far as our politicians are concerned. First of all, it is next to impossible to find justice for our political misgivings. Things are just terribly terribly twisted. Besides Justice is such a strong word, that it has been advised by buzurgs not to include Justice in our prayers --- just an FYI. This is one of the reasons I never believed that Imran Khan's PTI would ever get any where.

You have to think for your self here, and think logically and not emotionally. No one in Pakistan can claim to provide justice - if there is one, then he is as stupid as they come.

As far as introduction of Sharia Law is concerned, I am all for it, but I also know that this cannot happen overnight and would require years of work before getting implemented for all practical reasons.

In my understanding; i wasnt involved in an argument with no body what so ever! It was just that i had gone through some parts of NRO and wished to share that shock with the rest...

I believe its the 2 things in this world or nothing; RIGHT & WRONG. Nothing in between......

Regarding the justice; you are correct as Justice of Allah is the only Justice which levels things up balancing the vice versa, so we all stand to be sinful in that. Even knowing the harshness, i am afraid i wont use the tool of hypocrisy here!

Whether you and i like it or not, JUSTICE SHALL BE COMMENCED and its reality.

About the NRO; it was something to support the murderers, corrupt b*stards........ So it was evil every way you look at it!

[Khalqat]

In my understanding; i wasnt involved in an argument with no body what so ever! It was just that i had gone through some parts of NRO and wished to share that shock with the rest...

I believe its the 2 things in this world or nothing; RIGHT & WRONG. Nothing in between......

Regarding the justice; you are correct as Justice of Allah is the only Justice which levels things up balancing the vice versa, so we all stand to be sinful in that. Even knowing the harshness, i am afraid i wont use the tool of hypocrisy here!

Whether you and i like it or not, JUSTICE SHALL BE COMMENCED and its reality.

About the NRO; it was something to support the murderers, corrupt b*stards........ So it was evil every way you look at it!

What ever is going to happen will happen in the form of a great tribulation and punishment. To call it Justice would be too much arrogance. If you are smart enough then you would realize this and ask for Mercy instead.

[Zola]

What ever is going to happen will happen in the form of a great tribulation and punishment. To call it Justice would be too much arrogance. If you are smart enough then you would realize this and ask for Mercy instead.

Bro, all i am saying is;

NRO was anything but justice !
And same applies to our judiciary.......

Our judiciary has been wrong all along, its the truth however justifying the NRO over our judiciary is something i wont fall for either....

Two WRONGS can never result / end in a RIGHT. Two f*ck-ups cant make a right!!!

[Khalqat]

Bro, all i am saying is;

NRO was anything but justice !

NRO was never meant to provide justice. It is called National Reconciliation Ordinance --- keyword is Reconciliation, there is no mention of Justice here. If you have any objections in the NRO then that is different and should be duly debated upon, but if your intentions are to totally dismiss the RECONCILIATION process then you are gravely mistaken.

And same applies to our judiciary.......

Judiciary is corrupt to the core --- this is not a breaking news.

Our judiciary has been wrong all along, its the truth however justifying the NRO over our judiciary is something i wont fall for either....

NRO's background goes much deeper than Judiciary. It involves both the plaintiffs and the defendants as well as the judges.

Two WRONGS can never result / end in a RIGHT. Two f*ck-ups cant make a right!!!

You are wrong here, we have THREE wrongs not TWO, and this is not some mathematical equation. Common sense works well above all of this.

[Asian Union]

Even though the forum has alot of Mush supporters, theres a fair share of those who criticize him(refer to the future leader of Pakistan thread in Social forum).A month ago i would havebeen all over this thread...

But then it dawned on me, why am i wasting my time.The thread is not an accurate representation of the electorate and Mush has no chance to ever get back in Power...

Agreed, his support is only limited to a few forums. As far as coming to power is concerned, Musharraf could win few seats and that too in Karachi or Hyderabad. Maybe give some little bit PML-Q seats in Punjab or Lahore and thats about it.

[Asian Union]

Weep Pakistan Weep

Evidence of Musharraf's Family Corruption

From Ehtesab

www.ehtesab.org

Musharraf's Close Relative Paid in Rs 7bn Motorway project

ISLAMABAD: The first solid proof of involvement of General Pervez Musharraf’s close relative, his son Bilal’s father in law, in a multi-billion rupee road construction contract, has come to light.

The proof was provided by the owner of the construction company, Husnain Construction, at a news conference at the M-3 Motorway site near Islamabad last week. Surprisingly it has remained buried without any discussion in the mainstream Pakistani media, although leading newspaper Dawn published portions of the incriminating statement on Sept 26 in a very subdued manner, hiding the disclosures under a positive statement by the National Highway Authority Chairman, Major General Farrukh Javed.

In just under 5 weeks after SA Tribune broke the scandal of General Musharraf’s “Golfway” Project, a mix of the Rs 25 billion Golf Course in Lahore and the Rs 7 billion Pindi-Peshawar Motorway, Brig (Retd) Aftab Siddiqui’s was confirmed to be the big beneficiary. The proof came from the Horse Owner’s mouth, if not the Horse himself.

The SA Tribune first reported in our Aug 26 issue that Musharraf's "Golfway" project, conceived and launched by an ex-ISI chief, held secret from the public for ‘national security reasons’ had a real connection with his close relatives. http://www.satribune...apevinecomm.htm

On Sept 9, it was reported that the in-laws of Musharraf’s son were reportedly flying out of Pakistan “lock, stock and barrel” after their names were revealed in the Motorway project. http://www.satribune...apewinecomm.htm

These were Sa Tribune reports. Now comes the surprising statement by Sheikh Yousaf, owner of Husnain Construction, which is the contractor for the Pindi-Peshawar Motorway project, also known as M-3. He spoke to journalists at a Press conference and admitted everything, as reported in Pakistan’s leading Daily ‘Dawn’ on Sept 25, 2002.

Dawn’s Islamabad Staff reporter said: “Sheikh Yousaf explained the phases for which his company passed for converting the M-3 project from the Built, Operate and Transfer (BOT) plan to the government funded project.”

“When asked as to how much his company had been helped by Brig (Retd) Aftab Siddiqui father-in-law (of General Musharraf’s son), Bilal Musharraf, he said the gentleman had worked with his company as a consultant.”

“Mr Yousaf said it was originally agreed that he would get two per cent of the profit from the project for 25 years, but since the project had been converted to a government funded plan, Aftab Siddiqui was no longer with his company. The cost of M-3 is Rs7 billion.”

“He, however, said Mr Siddiqui had been paid for the 'services' which he rendered, but refused to give more details... Everything was documented, and the payments to Mr Siddiqui had been made through cheques the copies of which had been provided to "a number of government departments," he said.”

The Dawn report then added a dramatic twist: “Then his son (Sheikh Yousaf’s son) rushed to the stage and asked Mr Yousaf not to answer more queries on the subject.”

Still, “Mr Yousaf said the company was heading the consortium of the Pakistani construction companies called PAMIC, and added that they were completing the project to show that the country had the expertise to construct the motorway. He said it was the first contract of its kind which had no escalation clause.”

“When asked as to how many projects his company had fetched in the period of military government, he avoided giving straight answer, and said that whatever his company had got was on merit. He admitted that he had purchased about a dozen sick industrial units.”

The dramatic Press conference raised a plethora of questions which are begging for answers. The Chairman of the company confirmed that Bilal’s father in law “had been paid for his services”, which in other words means he had delivered his part of the contract. And since he is no longer with the Company, it can be safely guessed that he is enjoying the two per cent somewhere, may be in US.

Sheikh Yousaf, revealed that Bilal’s Father-in-Law had been paid through cheques and copies had been given to various departments of the Government. That would make the job of future Accountability Bureaus much easier, it seems.

Then he was asked a very pertinent question. How many contracts his company had fetched during the Musharraf Regime? This apparently puzzled him and he could not give a straight answer. He still did not realize that some smart reporter was trying to trap him. But his son rushed to the stage and stopped him from making more disclosures.

But his answer, reported in Dawn, at least gave an insight of how much they had already made. “He admitted that he had purchased about a dozen sick industrial units,” was his reply to one question. This seems to be an impressive record which would beat any Sharif or Zardari hands down.

However many questions are now being raised. What are the rates at which he has purchased these units? Who else bid for them? What were the terms of purchase? Was there any competitive bidding? Was any undue government influence used for these purchases? What was the role of Bilal Musharraf’s father-in-law in these purchases? Is this not corruption? Is this what General Musharraf means by good governance?

Musharraf’s Corruption – Silence is Acceptance

Monday, February 15, 2010
By Syed Nayyar Uddin Ahmad

Your Majesty has always been preaching against corruption. But, people say you connived with the corrupt on many occasions.

One example they give, is the privatization case of UBL. When, in the first instance, Mr. S.A. & his cabinet approved its sale for Rs. 8 billion. However, when Dr. Shahid Masood agitated the case on ARY TV, you directed the PM to cancel the bid & go for rebidding. This time, UBL was sold for Rupees. 12 billion.

However, this case proves beyond any shadow of doubt that earlier there was a minimum corruption of Rupees. 4 billion, when the bank was FINALLY approved for sale by the PM & the cabinet, but, for the agitation of ARY TV, the plan of the corrupt people failed.

The Question to your honour is that, why did you not order action against the PM, cabinet & officials involved in manipulating the sale of UBL by a minimum amount of Rupees. 4 billion.

Your silence & inaction at that time, against corrupt people, is a big question mark in this case.

Sir, had I been in your place, the minimum I would have done, was to have asked the NAB to conduct an inquiry in this episode of an attempt to rob the nation, right under the nose of a so called honest & upright president.

Your honour, can you tell us why in this case you kept silent, in favour of corrupt people vs. the nation of which you were the president?

http://www.haqeeqat....-is-acceptance/



This unlists the real reasons why ARMY and Generals do what they do to keep corruption alive:

Musharraf's corruption crackdown 'failing'

When Pakistan's President Musharraf mounted his coup he vowed to rid the country of corruption and told the Pakistani people that: "the process of accountability will be transparent for the public to see."

Two years and three months later many believe the military regime is letting the corrupt go free.

According to Farhan Bokhari of the Financial Times "most businessmen now believe the commitment to attack corruption has become weaker."

"The view is that if you are corrupt and give up part of the wealth that you earned from corruption you get away scot free."

In recent weeks two senior retired military officers have been set free after reaching deals to pay back a percentage of their ill-gotten gains.

Vested interests

The regime does have reasons to protect the corrupt. In the first place senior officers are reluctant to see their colleagues go to jail.

Secondly, the threat of corruption charges enables the army to control the civilian politicians ahead of this year's promised elections.

General Musharraf has said that he will remain President after the elections.

He wants to prevent the politicians from demanding too big a share in power.

And some politicians who have already accommodated themselves to the military regime have had their corruption cases dropped.

Clear message

Raza Rabbani from the Pakistan People's Party believes the message is clear.

"It will be a continuous process in which the accountability process is used mercilessly so that a kings party of corrupt politicians can be put together," he said.

The military deny the charge. President Musharraf's spokesman, General Rashid Qureshi insists the military regime is more honest than its civilian predecessors.

And he says the army is still determined to pursue the corrupt. "The more powerful the person in the bureaucracy the tougher we've been," he said.

http://news.bbc.co.u...sia/1777889.stm

[Zola]

NRO was never meant to provide justice. It is called National Reconciliation Ordinance --- keyword is Reconciliation, there is no mention of Justice here. If you have any objections in the NRO then that is different and should be duly debated upon, but if your intentions are to totally dismiss the RECONCILIATION process then you are gravely mistaken.

NRO? So even it was clearly against the wishes of Allah, you are still up for it? I know what it was and it was an ordinance which is simply not allowed in our religion, nor in our constitution. So it intended the greatest violations of its kind ever to be found in the history of this world, not justifiable NO MATTER HOW YOU TRY ADVOCATING IT... If following the orders of Allah makes me mistaken; than i shall let it be ...

Judiciary is corrupt to the core --- this is not a breaking news

As we were to chat about the NRO along with judiciary....

NRO's background goes much deeper than Judiciary. It involves both the plaintiffs and the defendants as well as the judges.

Yeah right! If taking the dictation from the western devils creates the involvement to that extent; i wouldnt make it so complicated. Allah wont ever forgive the misconceptions the NRO had led to, i can quote versus of Quran which clearly states/refers to that such laws/ ordinances are nothing but ''SHIRK'' to start with....

You are wrong here, we have THREE wrongs not TWO, and this is not some mathematical equation. Common sense works well above all of this.

2 wrongs meaning 2 or more... Be it thousand million or whatever... 100 wrongs dont make a right... I hope you understand this time!

[sobank]

lol. Reconciliation ............. This is what you are calling "Reconcilliontion" .

hahahahhahahahahhahaha

Edited by sobank, 22 November 2010 - 05:15 PM.

[Asian Union]

Self delete

[Khalqat]

lol. Reconciliation ............. This is what you are calling "Reconcilliontion" .

hahahahhahahahahhahaha

NAh....

That is called Charter of Democracy...

enjoy!

[Asian Union]

Must Read

Return of Musharraf And Pakistan’s Balkanization?
by zainab cheema

Pakistan has been turned into a war-on-terror parking lot: 3000 American Special Forces units operate in Pakistan at the present. Pakistan’s politicos have always shown remarkable generosity in passing down the costs of their decision-making to the people. Guantanamo is a thriving industry in Pakistan and the foremost field of Pakistan-US collaboration. Pakistan’s police, army and frontier corps are part of the American security system in Pakistan.

At times, one may wonder at the seeming irrationality of US foreign policy toward Pakistan. When the floods struck, the US government was the most prolific donor, with USAID politicos expressing ready sympathy for the victims. American officials have declared that it is imperative to broadcast a beneficent image of the United States, worriedly citing polls that track the rise of anti-American sentiment in the Pakistani public. This is sandwiched by CIA bombing campaigns in Waziristan and hired mercenaries like Blackwater (now Xe) Corporation conducting terrorizations that alienate hearts and minds throughout Pakistan.

A fresh development in this schizophrenic saga is the return of Pakistani strongman Pervez Musharraf to the political arena. From his current perch in London, Musharraf announced on October 1 that he is creating a new political party — the All Pakistan Muslim League — to run for office in Pakistani elections. Proud collaborator of the War on Terror, his speeches show that the destabilization and social terror he helped inflict hasn’t impaired his flair for the grandiose. “Today, God has given me the opportunity to set the tone for my political legacy,” he announced at his London press conference. “Come join me in changing Pakistan’s destiny. It is not an easy task but one we must work for, as Pakistan is ours.” Frederick Turner would be gratified — Manifest Destiny indeed.

But Musharraf’s return is hardly possible without international — or shall we abbreviate and say, American — support. As with Iraqi counterparts such as former spook Iyad Allawi, he belongs to the pool of collaborators who court funds and favor in order to return to their posts of glory in the Third World.

Let’s cue the rewind button here. Musharraf assumed power in October 1999 after a military coup deposing then Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. However, his political fortunes changed only after 9/11. Prior to this, US officials had sneered at the architect of yet another military coup, admonishing Pakistan with the example of democratic India which was then on the fast-track to becoming America’s bosom-buddy. With 9/11, US representative in South Asia, Richard Armitage, offered Musharraf an elegantly simple choice — either join us or “we’ll bomb you back to the Stone Age.” Musharraf likes his cigars and whiskey, those macho pleasures of civilization, so he opted for the Faustian handshake.

But like the necromancer’s curse, the grizzly reality of Stone Age was not to be escaped. As Henry Kissinger once observed, while being America’s enemy is dangerous, America’s friendship is disastrous. A discarded Cold War ally, Pakistan’s coffers had been dry and creaky. With the handshake, military aid poured in to the tune of $7 billion. Besides graft and elaborate pay-offs for army officers, Musharraf was even able to reroute some of the funds earmarked for fighting the war on terror into F-16 fighter planes for Pakistan’s armed non-aggression against India, or as one independent observer put it, toys for his boys in uniform.

Pakistan’s politicos have always shown remarkable generosity in passing down the costs of their decision-making to the people. It is a self-evident truth, bordering on a truism, that Pakistan has been turned into a war on terror parking lot: 3000 American Special Forces units operate in Pakistan at the present. The cost? Aafia Siddiqui is only the most famous case of secret abductions and kidnappings run by the FBI and CIA throughout the country.

To elaborate, thousands of people simply disappear, after commando style raids on their homes during night-time or high-speed kidnappings in public. Human Rights Watch has flagged this unconstitutional disappearance, noting the pain and terror this spreads in families and neighborhoods. When Pakistani Special Forces and the FBI stormed Zain and Kashan Afzal’s home in Karachi, they broke through the concrete walls, tied up their ailing mother, and threatened to kill the family. The brothers’ 5-month sojourn in prison reaped a burst eardrum, lacerations on the back, and other souvenirs of US attempts to win the “hearts and minds” of the Pakistani public.

As it turns out, Guantanamo is a thriving industry in Pakistan and the foremost field of Pakistan-US collaboration. In fact, Pakistan’s police, army, and other law and order institutions have been subsumed in the American security apparatus. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan conservatively notes that 5,000 cases of police torture are connected with the war on terror. The methods used in these interrogations should be familiar as cinnamon-scented apple pie: beating, burning with cigarettes; whipping the soles of the feet; prolonged isolation, electric shock, denial of food or sleep; hanging victims upside down, and forced spreading of the legs with bar fetters. The Iraq and Afghanistan playbook is clearly not gathering dust-mites.

And while most of the dirty work is done by Pakistani policemen, American interrogators stamp the whole operation as “Made in the US of A” in the victim’s minds. When Zain Afzal asked to be formally charged and tried in court, the FBI interrogators threatened to ship him to Cuba and told him, “We are the court.”
Musharraf’s reign, which only ended after widespread civilian demonstrations for civil elections, also inaugurated the beginning of the Waziristan war.

The infamous drone attacks, which Obama parodied when warning the Jonas Brothers to stay away from Malia and Sasha at a White House event, are no joke for the Pashtun and other residents of the Pakhtunkhwa-Khyber (PK) — formerly the North West Frontier (NWFP) — province. Around 800,000 people have had to flee from their homes and are living in squalid, disease-infested camps with no water. Even the US media does not bother to cover up the fact that drone attacks are causing the deaths of hundreds of civilians. Media reports calculate that in 2009 alone, the drones killed 700 people. They have spread a palpable veil of terror over the area — the Pashtuns call the unmanned aircraft bangana, or thunder clap for the sound of laser-guided Hellfire missiles.

While the war on terror gave Musharraf his credentials, it was also the war on terror that pulled the curtain on his political career. The lawyers’ movement, students’ movement, and other anti-Musharraf mobilizations from Pakistan’s civil society, were rooted in the public perception that he had sold the country, from its Himalayan crown to the Arabian Sea waters, to George W. Bush.

But US fortunes in the area only improved after the general’s exit. Asif Ali Zardari has scrupulously taken up Musharraf’s duties after he “won” the 2009 elections on a sympathy vote following Benazir Bhutto’s murder. It is an open secret that Mr. Ten Percent treats Pakistan as his own personal Ponzi scheme, enriching himself at the expense of the 170 million people he pretends to rule. Meanwhile, the Black Ops, renditions, abductions, drone attacks, torture, and urban bomb blasts have only accelerated.

Even the most symbolic change, replacing military rule for a civilian one, is a fraud. As Patrick Cockburn writes in his recent article, Is Pakistan Falling Apart?, the army still commands the biggest slice of Pakistan’s shrinking economic pie. “Military bases all over the country look spruce and well cared-for, while just outside their razor-wire defenses are broken roads and slum housing,” he notes.

So, why would the US handlers dust off Musharraf and install fresh batteries in him, when Zardari has shown himself to be fairly reliable?
As it turns out, US policy toward Pakistan is not conflicted — it is rather simple, like the five-year-old’s plan of attack when his parents refuse to buy him the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers figurine. For all the souped-up rhetoric on the war on terror, the Pentagon recognizes that the danger of terrorism in Pakistan is hardly the harbinger of Armageddon.

Rather, the goal is AfPak balkanization, as it is rather inelegantly called. The strategic location of this Eurasian chessboard is tomorrow’s energy geography. In a world where energy has become the most scarce and precious resource, maintaining centralized states like Saudi Arabia in the region would be too expensive — they would demand too large a cut from the profits. And while Pakistan has indeed proved to be a loyal and tractable ally through the years, its secularized elite has not been able to purge the stigma of Islam inherent in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan before their imperial handlers. The reminder of this came with the bomb.

Pakistan’s death knell was rung by the sonic blasts and mushroom clouds of the 1998 nuclear tests. The nuclear tests followed India’s. Pakistani politicians and the military were forced by their rival’s display of atomic strength to reveal their own cards and maintain the uneasy deterrence that prevailed since 1971. Irony is a rough taskmaster; this perceived act of self-preservation turned its superpower ally against the Land of the Pure. The generals and politicians could hardly have guessed that at the height of its prosperous liberal secularism, the Judeo-Christian roots of US political culture would revolt at the thought of a Muslim country stepping out of its place and acquiring the symbol of great power éclat — the atomic bomb. Many independent observers have noted the fact that the US decision to end its hard-to-get games in South Asia, and definitively ally with India dates from the 1998 tests.
So, what does balkanization look like in this region?

Pakistan is to be split into independent Balochistan and Free Pashtunistan governed by co-opted tribal proxies a la the Anbar Awakening in Iraq. As outlined by Colonel Ralph Peters in the June 2006 issue of The Armed Force Journal, these would be accompanied by an independent Sistaan, carved from a “Persianized” Iran, and a Kurdistan extracted out of Iraq, Turkey, and Iran. Peters also ruminates on handing over Makkah and Madinah to a rotating Vatican style authority and reducing Saudi influence down to a “rump Saudi Homelands Independent Territory” around Riyadh, where “the House of Saud would be capable of far less mischief toward Islam and the world.” Clearly, there is more openness and deliberation on how to carve the Thanksgiving turkey than there is on distributing territory in the Muslim world.
Let us measure the dough being baked in this oven. The rewards of transforming PK (former NWFP) and Balochistan into orbit states are fruitful indeed. India would be gratified by the destruction of its historic rival, securing a US-Israeli-Indian triumvirate that is already well on its way. Splintering Pashtunistan and Balochistan would ensure US control over the current PK corridor to the Afghan battleground and offer a convenient Balochi platform for invading and running black-op missions in Iran. Not to mention, it would guarantee a docile geography for gas pipelines being constructed from Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan. Balochistan itself possesses fabulous gas reserves, making it an important station in the emerging map of Pipelinistan.

Pakistan’s balkanization is just as much about keeping rivals out as it is about securing the best perch in the playground. The Iran-Pakistan Friendship pipeline (IP) in the works (formerly the Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline before the US weaned away India with its nuclear fuel deal) is planning its route through Balochistan. While Pakistan can occasionally make such inconvenient deals with a neighbor that Israel and the US are determined to exterminate, the groomed Balochi tribes would follow more the acceptable Karzai pattern of subservient obedience. Meanwhile, terrorizing the PK is laying the ground for the US’s own pipeline project snaking its way through Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI).

After all, why pay people to leave their homes for the greater good of American prosperity, when you can scare them away? As Colonel Peters helpfully declares in his article: “one other dirty little secret from 5,000 years of history: ethnic cleansing works.”

Balochistan also boasts the warm-water port of Gwadar, constructed by the Chinese in the hopes of acquiring a maritime base near the Straits of Hormuz — the most important commercial highway for the world transit of Persian Gulf oil. Heavy Chinese investment in Gwadar, encouraged by Musharraf, sparked widespread panic in US and Indian political halls. India accused China of nursing covert imperialism in the Indian Ocean, while the US response manifested itself in bomb attacks and assassinations of Chinese engineers and workers. The reprimand had its effect: China announced that for now, it is scrapping the Gwadar project.
As it happens, the patterns of terror in the Pakistani front of the war on terror closely match the planned outlines of a balkanized Pakistan. While abductions and kidnappings in major city centers like Karachi and Lahore garner the most media attention, most abductions actually take place in the rural provinces of PK and Baluchistan, exponentially increasing the despair of peoples that have no access to resources or venues to publicize their stories. Meanwhile, the US is co-opting select tribes and religious groups from these regions into the Pakistani version of Latin American militias. The CIA and ISI are mobilizing remnants of Taliban and Taliban-like groups like the Sipah-e-Sahaba to run black-ops in the province and in neighboring Sistaan-Balochistan located in southeastern Iran.

This is accompanied by efforts to train the PK’s Frontier Corps, a ceremonial tribal police left over from the British Empire, into a formidable armed militia that will orchestrate Iraq-style bomb blasts and terrorize civilians. A report entitled Plan for Training the Frontier Corps is being circulated at the US Central Command headquarters, and the Pentagon’s current budget has earmarked $75 million for training the Corps in counter-insurgency techniques.

And while the war on terror perfected the Pakistan army’s control over the country, it is actually a shortcut to its impending demise. Visibly involving the Pakistan army in their apparatus of terror, the US has successfully dissolved the political capital held by the military from the past three wars with India. As a matter of fact the Pakistani military’s proxy role is perhaps the canniest move in US program of balkanization. Once viewed by the Pakistan public as the stabilizing force holding the country together, the post-Musharraf military is now exposed as little more than a self-serving US tool. And while the US certainly does covet hearts and minds in the war on terror, it doesn’t need all the hearts and minds. As long as a corrupt cadre can be seduced in their quest to gain natural resources gratis, the fury of a few hundred million people is chump change.

“Within an Orwellian framework, Pakistan and NATO-garrisoned Afghanistan are deliberately being destabilized while there is talk about stabilizing them,” notes Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya of Global Research. He is also right on the draw in pointing out that many of Pakistan’s elites are party to this agenda — consciously.
This is clearly spelled out in our would-be Napoleon’s campaign trail. If Musharraf has learned a lesson from his 2008 exile, it is that his sole duty is to be a loyal employee of US War Inc. Plunging Pakistan into chaos and fear is hardly a source of regret — it is that he didn’t do enough for the Pentagon while in office. He promises to immediately redress this in his second reign over the hapless country. In a speech given last year at Trinity College, he made headlines with his statements that Pakistanis will simply have to buckle up and accept casualties from the war on terror.

“We need to inject more forces. And may I say we have to defeat [the enemy], whatever it costs,” he told the crowd. “So therefore, may I suggest to this august gathering, we have to accept casualties, ladies and gentlemen.”
He received a standing ovation.

We’ll have to wait to see what Musharraf’s return to Pakistani politics really signifies. It may be the posturing of Le General anxious to show that he is still in touch with the country that afforded him fame and fortune at the expense of political enslavement. It may be that the US is determined to give him another run just for the sake of hammering in another nail in the coffin of the Pakistani army en route to securing the nukes. However, the other options aren’t appetizing. In the swing dance of Pakistani politics, nearly all of the politicos who promise to replace Zardari stink of the same graft and greed. As a Dawn Newspaper columnist aptly put it, Pakistanis are “up to their necks” in the nets of war and horror.

[Hamid_mirro]

Asian Union u r full of B.S.


So much crap comes out of your A$$!

[Asian Union]

Well people, although agree Musharraf had some positive signs and success but he is not at all a virgin seed anymore.

Weep Pakistan Weep:
No-ones from neo-Musharraf supporters come up with an answer to these Mega Corruption and Scandals of Musharraf:
http://forum.pakista...h...t&p=1274130

http://forum.pakista...h...t&p=1274132

http://forum.pakista...h...t&p=1274134

$23.8 Billion Corruption From Privatization Under Musharraf:
http://forum.pakista...h...t&p=1274174

Musharraf should have completed the sentence, "DOn't mess with Pakistan because I've messed it so much for you"

All Pakistan Musharraf League
Naam he kaafi hai

Kaam tu hai nahi, naam hee kafi hai sahee kaha aap ney.

lol. I see you are pretty interested in what people have to say. let me add a little fun factor into it so you can enjoy. It will cover the affection of Pakistani people for eradication of poverty from Pakistan and or good governance examples and also just the general love of him oozing out ............... have fun. By the way I totally agree with you miro. The allegations are all fake.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbALeYfwybM

All of the motherfuc|(ers are paid actors. ######|(ing son of b|tches talking sh|t. arent they?

Only idiots and jahil opposed musharaf. So these idiots also decided to get together and have party.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO-DxIpBsQI

have fun people.

+1 million. Thumbs up.

The point is very simple -- Musharaf and other thugs like Zardari, NS, BB, landlords, or whoever belong to the same corrupt group of Junta which is controlling and ruling Pak people and not allowing them to progress.

Thumbs-up- Agree 100%.

A_U you are not going to change the minds of moshe worshippers. he can do no wrong in their eyes

You are so correct but idol worshipping is only limited to a couple of forums. Thumbs up!

Frankly, Pakistanis should look for all candidates and in primary identify new educated candidates to build a successful society and not just worshipping persons may it be Feudals Zardari, Nawaz Sharrif, Gillani, Imran Khan and Altaf the kala murderer etc etc. Army Generals, Beaurocrats, Feudals, jagirdars and politicans are all HARAMIS. Do you not see no-one pays tax. There is no AGRICULTURAL/FEUDAL TAX or even Military Tax on them. The only ones targetted are the SALARIED ppl for Tax and looting purposes.

[sobank]

Asian Union u r full of B.S.


So much crap comes out of your A$$!

ARE YOU GONNA STOP BEING AN A$$ IN YOUR REPLIES OR DO I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT??????????????????????????????????????

[Salim]

Unlike any Pakistani past thugs who entered Pakistan government service, entered politics, or ruled Pakistan, good thing about Musharraf is that he was not corrupt. Anyone who thinks that he was corrupt is certainly out of their mind or paid propagandist. Here is one big proof of his honesty.

He worked all his life and ruled Pakistan for around 9 years. Under him Pakistan became one of the fasted growing economies in the world. Most surprising thing is that, after holding most privilege position in Pakistan for so long, he managed to buy £1.35 million pound 3-bed flat in London and even for that he needed loan. [UK land registry has record of all sales in UK, and that is the price I checked that was paid for London property Musharraf bought in May 1999].

[Note: according to one news the flat Musahrraf bought is 28, Castleacre, Hyde Park Crescent, London, Greater London, W2 2PT in May 1999, and if that is the case than the price paid was £1.35 million pounds (I checked the recorded price paid in UK registry). Anyhow, according to an another news the flat he bought is 2-bed flat in Cambridge court, an old red brick building on Edgware road, and if that is the case than his flat must be worth in 1999 no more than £400,000 pounds].

Thus, looking at this buy, leave low grade politicians, even an 18 grade modestly corrupt Pakistani government employee would feel ashamed, as that government employee would be able to afford better flat than what Musharraf bought in London. I think that this buy itself shows that Musahrraf was not corrupt, as even low grade corrupt Pakistani government officers and certainly corrupt Pakistani politicians of any standing in PMLN, PPP pr PMLQ who bought property in UK bought higher value property in London.

[For instance: A thug like Nawaz whose family was worth few ‘Lac’ rupees at most before he came into politics (could be worth even in negative), ruled less than Musharraf and not even in as much powerful position as Musharraf, managed to embezzle billions of pounds and have over £1000 million (or over a billion pounds) worth properties in London. Even his one of many flats (I think he has 4 or more at that spot) looking at Hyde Park is worth 10s of million pounds. Zardari along with his wife ruled Pakistan less than half of the time Musharraf ruled and still he managed to buy building 1 Hyde Park, that is worth around £140 million, and that is one of his many exploits. Even little thug like Rehman Malik earned from corruption so much in few years before 1997 that his flat in London is worth several times more than Musharraf. Most cronies of Nawaz have flats in London worth several times more luxurious and expensive than what Musharraf has.

Now to answer those ignorant, propaganda agents, or paid servatns of Liar Nawaz Thug and other politician like him, who may question even that £1.35 million Musharraf paid for his flat.

Well, first of all Musharraf flat is bought using a large portion loan that he got because he is earning several million pounds a year giving lectures in west after retirement.

Further, Pakistan may pay little to Army officers but Pakistani Army officers get other monetary incentives LEGALLY from Pakistan government, like plots and agricultural lands over their career that are worth millions of pounds. That is nothing to do with Musharraf but that is 'perk' in the army that all get (Musharraf is no exception). Musharraf served army at highest position (army chief) for longest than any Pakistani army officer (except Zia) and must have received his 'shares of perk' LEGALLY too, and that could be much more than several million pounds.

In the end, Musharraf saw fastest growing economy in history of Pakistan and during his time stock market index (KSE index) increased 22 times from 700 to 15600 (such increase no Pakistani ruler saw, not even fraction of that, and that includes Ayub or Zia). Musharraf had one of the best financial minds working under him (again it was unique with him that no past rulers had). During his rule, one can see the longest stable exchange rate Pakistan ever seen (never happened in Pakistan history that rupee stayed stable for 9 years). Most Pakistani salary paid staff (like Musharraf) are encouraged by tax-rules to invest some of their investment in stock market or NIT (National Investment Trust) to save tax.

So, it is no big deal to expect that Musharraf must have invested some money in stock market too that he must be investing since he started working in early 60s. For Musharraf to have 50 lacs or more invested in KSE even in 1999 is not unexpected. Looking at KSE, anyone who had 50 lacs (around £45,000) invested in KSE when Musharraf came to power in 1999 and re-invested whatever dividend he/she receives (no new investment since 1999 but reinvestment of dividends), than even on average return at KSE, the person should have had more than £2 million in 1998. So, in such situation to buy £1.35 million property for Musharraf in London is no big deal ... and that excludes any loan he obtained for property purchase, any sale of properties he might have done in Pakistan received as army officer, his retirement money (that every Pakistani government servant gets when retire), or whatever Musharraf earned after 1999 from lectures in west, or saved during this time as President.

[Hamid_mirro]

Unlike any Pakistani past thugs who entered Pakistan government service, entered politics, or ruled Pakistan, good thing about Musharraf is that he was not corrupt. Anyone who thinks that he was corrupt is certainly out of their mind or paid propagandist. Here is one big proof of his honesty.

He worked all his life and ruled Pakistan for around 9 years. Under him Pakistan became one of the fasted growing economies in the world. Most surprising thing is that, after holding most privilege position in Pakistan for so long, he managed to buy £1.35 million pound 3-bed flat in London and even for that he needed loan. [UK land registry has record of all sales in UK, and that is the price I checked that was paid for London property Musharraf bought in May 1999].

Thus, looking at this buy, leave low grade politicians, even an 18 grade modestly corrupt Pakistani government employee would feel ashamed, as that government employee would be able to afford better flat than what Musharraf bought in London. I think that this buy itself shows that Musahrraf was not corrupt, as even low grade corrupt Pakistani government officers and certainly corrupt Pakistani politicians of any standing in PMLN, PPP pr PMLQ who bought property in UK bought higher value property in London.

[For instance: A thug like Nawaz whose family was worth few ‘Lac’ rupees at most before he came to power (could be worth in negative), ruled less than Musharraf and not even in as much powerful position as Musharraf, managed to embezzle billions of pounds and have over £1000 million (or over a billion pounds) worth properties in London. Even his one of many flats (I think he has 4 or more at that spot) looking at Hyde Park is worth 10s of million pounds. Zardari along with his wife ruled Pakistan half of the time Musharraf ruled and still he managed to buy building 1 Hyde Park, that is worth around £140 million, and that is one of his many exploits. Even little thug like Rehman Malik eareed from corruption so much in few years before 1997 that his flat in London is worth 10 times more than Musharraf. Most cronies of Nawaz have flats in London worth several times more luxurious and expensive than what Musharraf has.

Now to answer those ignorant, propaganda agents, or paid servatns of Nawaz Thug and other politician like him, who may question even that £1.35 million Musharraf paid for his flat.

Well, first of all Musharraf flat is bought using a large portion loan that he got because he is earning several million pounds a year giving lectures in west after retirement.

Further, Pakistan may pay little to Army officers but Pakistani Army officers get other monetary incentives legally from Army, like plots and agricultural lands over their career that are worth millions of pounds. That is nothing to do with Musharraf but that is Perk in the army that all get. Musharraf served army at highest position (army chief) for longest than any Pakistani army officer (except Zia) must have received his shares legally too, and that could be much more than several million pounds.

In the end, Musharraf saw fastest growing economy in history of Pakistan and during his time stock market index (KSE index) increased 22 times from 700 to 15600 (such increase no Pakistani ruler saw, not even fraction of that, and that includes Ayub or Zia). Musharraf had one of the best financial minds working under him (again it was unique with him that no past rulers had). During his rule, one can see the longest stable exchange rate Pakistan ever seen (never happened in Pakistan history that rupee stayed stable for 9 years). Most Pakistani salary paid staff (like Musharraf) are encouraged by tax-rules to invest some of their investment in stock market or NIT (National Investment Trust) to save tax.

So, it is no big deal to expect that Musharraf must have invested some money in stock market too that he must be investing since he started working. For Musharraf to have 50 lacs or more invested in KSE even in 1999 is not unexpected. Looking at KSE, anyone who had 50 lacs (around £45,000) invested in KSE when Musharraf came to power in 1999 and re-invested whatever dividend he/she receives (no new investment since 1999 but reinvestment of dividends), than even on average return at KSE, the person should have had more than £2 million in 1998. So, in such situation to buy £1.35 million property for Musharraf in London is no big deal ... and that excludes any loan he obtained for property purchase, any sale of properties he might have in Pakistan received as army officer, his retirement money (that every Pakistani government servant gets when retire), or whatever Musharraf earned after 1999 from lectures in west, or saved during this time as President.

Good one Salim! I hope this will shut the pipe hole of Mr. Asian Union.

[haroons222]

Unlike any Pakistani past thugs who entered Pakistan government service, entered politics, or ruled Pakistan, good thing about Musharraf is that he was not corrupt. Anyone who thinks that he was corrupt is certainly out of their mind or paid propagandist. Here is one big proof of his honesty.

He worked all his life and ruled Pakistan for around 9 years. Under him Pakistan became one of the fasted growing economies in the world. Most surprising thing is that, after holding most privilege position in Pakistan for so long, he managed to buy £1.35 million pound 3-bed flat in London and even for that he needed loan. [UK land registry has record of all sales in UK, and that is the price I checked that was paid for London property Musharraf bought in May 1999].

Thus, looking at this buy, leave low grade politicians, even an 18 grade modestly corrupt Pakistani government employee would feel ashamed, as that government employee would be able to afford better flat than what Musharraf bought in London. I think that this buy itself shows that Musahrraf was not corrupt, as even low grade corrupt Pakistani government officers and certainly corrupt Pakistani politicians of any standing in PMLN, PPP pr PMLQ who bought property in UK bought higher value property in London.

[For instance: A thug like Nawaz whose family was worth few ‘Lac’ rupees at most before he came to power (could be worth in negative), ruled less than Musharraf and not even in as much powerful position as Musharraf, managed to embezzle billions of pounds and have over £1000 million (or over a billion pounds) worth properties in London. Even his one of many flats (I think he has 4 or more at that spot) looking at Hyde Park is worth 10s of million pounds. Zardari along with his wife ruled Pakistan half of the time Musharraf ruled and still he managed to buy building 1 Hyde Park, that is worth around £140 million, and that is one of his many exploits. Even little thug like Rehman Malik eareed from corruption so much in few years before 1997 that his flat in London is worth 10 times more than Musharraf. Most cronies of Nawaz have flats in London worth several times more luxurious and expensive than what Musharraf has.

Now to answer those ignorant, propaganda agents, or paid servatns of Nawaz Thug and other politician like him, who may question even that £1.35 million Musharraf paid for his flat.

Well, first of all Musharraf flat is bought using a large portion loan that he got because he is earning several million pounds a year giving lectures in west after retirement.

Further, Pakistan may pay little to Army officers but Pakistani Army officers get other monetary incentives legally from Army, like plots and agricultural lands over their career that are worth millions of pounds. That is nothing to do with Musharraf but that is Perk in the army that all get. Musharraf served army at highest position (army chief) for longest than any Pakistani army officer (except Zia) must have received his shares legally too, and that could be much more than several million pounds.

In the end, Musharraf saw fastest growing economy in history of Pakistan and during his time stock market index (KSE index) increased 22 times from 700 to 15600 (such increase no Pakistani ruler saw, not even fraction of that, and that includes Ayub or Zia). Musharraf had one of the best financial minds working under him (again it was unique with him that no past rulers had). During his rule, one can see the longest stable exchange rate Pakistan ever seen (never happened in Pakistan history that rupee stayed stable for 9 years). Most Pakistani salary paid staff (like Musharraf) are encouraged by tax-rules to invest some of their investment in stock market or NIT (National Investment Trust) to save tax.

So, it is no big deal to expect that Musharraf must have invested some money in stock market too that he must be investing since he started working. For Musharraf to have 50 lacs or more invested in KSE even in 1999 is not unexpected. Looking at KSE, anyone who had 50 lacs (around £45,000) invested in KSE when Musharraf came to power in 1999 and re-invested whatever dividend he/she receives (no new investment since 1999 but reinvestment of dividends), than even on average return at KSE, the person should have had more than £2 million in 1998. So, in such situation to buy £1.35 million property for Musharraf in London is no big deal ... and that excludes any loan he obtained for property purchase, any sale of properties he might have in Pakistan received as army officer, his retirement money (that every Pakistani government servant gets when retire), or whatever Musharraf earned after 1999 from lectures in west, or saved during this time as President.

^^^see this is what i am talking abt. I dont care if you expose every politician out there, but when someone challenges Mush, its all propaganda to you.

I think it was Kamran Abbasi's show where his guest had documented proof of Mush. PLOT(s) allotment at prime locations throughout Pakistan.I think we've already discussed the pies handed out to to his son's in laws so no need of going there.
Everyone is corrupt,including MUSHARRAF.Learn to live with criticism.

Khalqat, i dont know how that implies!:s...it is not me against anyone,it is me against this mess...and they are all rotten!But like i said,i supported YOUR MAN, as long as i had no reason to suspect him...i can post my early days posts from 2005 if you would like!
Infact, i was even ok with him shaking hands with all those dirtbags(i dont believe in miracles,its too much to ask for a squeaky clean politician all of a sudden) For me it was his strategic internal blunders and abuse of power.

Mush likes to dish it out, he should learn to take it as well(esp. without the wardi, he will find himself very mortal)

[Salim]

^^^see this is what i am talking abt. I dont care if you expose every politician out there, but when someone challenges Mush, its all propaganda to you.

I think it was Kamran Abbasi's show where his guest had documented proof of Mush. PLOT(s) allotment at prime locations throughout Pakistan.I think we've already discussed the pies handed out to to his son's in laws so no need of going there.
Everyone is corrupt,including MUSHARRAF.Learn to live with criticism.

Khalqat, i dont know how that implies!:s...it is not me against anyone,it is me against this mess...and they are all rotten!But like i said,i supported YOUR MAN, as long as i had no reason to suspect him...i can post my early days posts from 2005 if you would like!
Infact, i was even ok with him shaking hands with all those dirtbags(i dont believe in miracles,its too much to ask for a squeaky clean politician all of a sudden) For me it was his strategic internal blunders and abuse of power.

Mush likes to dish it out, he should learn to take it as well(esp. without the wardi, he will find himself very mortal)

According to one news the flat Musahrraf bought is 28, Castleacre, Hyde Park Crescent, London, Greater London, W2 2PT in May 1999, and if that is the case than the price paid was £1.35 million pounds (I checked the recorded price paid in UK registry). Anyhow, according to an another news the flat he bought is 2-bed flat in Cambridge court (an old red brick building) on Edgware road and if that is the case than his flat must be worth in 2009 (when Musharraf bought the flat) no more than £400,000 pounds.

Now you tell me if that is what a corrupt Pakistani who worked in Pakistan army all his life, achieved highest post in Pakistani army, stayed army chief for 10 years, stayed one of the strongest President for 9 years, under whose rule Pakistan seen largest economical gain, could afford to buy?

I think (at least in my opinion), anyone who still says or think that Musharraf was corrupt is either dishonest, outright lying, paid propagandist, has no idea what corruption is, or has no ability to think.

Another proof that Musharraf was not corrupt is in the level of Pakistan debt that always increases when corrupt rule, as corrupt borrow and then steel. When Musharraf came to power Pakistan external debt was $40 billion and internal debt was Rs 1600 billion. In interest alone, Pakistan was paying every year around $3 billion on external loan and over Rs 200 billion on internal loan. If Musharraf government had not borrowed any new money but let interest accumulate (something all past Pakistani government has done on top of borrowing more) than also external debt would have been $75 billion and internal debt would have been Rs 4500 billon. Anyhow, when Musharraf left Pakistan external debt was still $40 billion (shows Musharaf government did not borrowed any new money and still kept servicing old debt) and internal debt was Rs 2300 billion (shows that internal debt did increased a bit but not even equal to accumulated interest and that means Musharraf government did not borrowed internally too but serviced debt partly). ... That is on top of all those $16 billion liquid foreign exchange reserve Musahrraf government accumulated, something that was below $500 liquid reserve in 1999.

[Anyhow, in last 2 years of PPP government, external debt has increased to around $60 billion and internal debt is now touching Rs 4000 billion, shows difference between Musharraf government and democrazy corrupt government]

[Salim]

Good one Salim! I hope this will shut the pipe hole of Mr. Asian Union.

Brother, some people would never appreciate an honest person like Musharraf as they appreciate thieves and corrupts because they are voices of thieves and corrupts who are plenty in Pakistan, and they believe on propaganda, lies, spreading misinformation, and deceit.

[Eagle4Ever]

PLease read and learn if possible

[Asian Union]

Unlike any Pakistani past thugs who entered Pakistan government service, entered politics, or ruled Pakistan, good thing about Musharraf is that he was not corrupt. Anyone who thinks that he was corrupt is certainly out of their mind or paid propagandist. Here is one big proof of his honesty.

Would like a thorough answer to this Mega Corruption & Scandals from the Holy Musharraf and his Govt. The 'Cowardly & Propagandistic' neo-Musharraf cabal can easily rebute it in it.
http://forum.pakista...h...t&p=1274130

http://forum.pakista...h...t&p=1274132

http://forum.pakista...h...t&p=1274134

$23.8 Billion Corruption From Privatization Under Musharraf:
http://forum.pakista...h...t&p=1274174

He worked all his life and ruled Pakistan for around 9 years. Under him Pakistan became one of the fasted growing economies in the world. Most surprising thing is that, after holding most privilege position in Pakistan for so long, he managed to buy £1.35 million pound 3-bed flat in London and even for that he needed loan. [UK land registry has record of all sales in UK, and that is the price I checked that was paid for London property Musharraf bought in May 1999].

[Note: according to one news the flat Musahrraf bought is 28, Castleacre, Hyde Park Crescent, London, Greater London, W2 2PT in May 1999, and if that is the case than the price paid was £1.35 million pounds (I checked the recorded price paid in UK registry). Anyhow, according to an another news the flat he bought is 2-bed flat in Cambridge court, an old red brick building on Edgware road, and if that is the case than his flat must be worth in 1999 no more than £400,000 pounds].

Thus, looking at this buy, leave low grade politicians, even an 18 grade modestly corrupt Pakistani government employee would feel ashamed, as that government employee would be able to afford better flat than what Musharraf bought in London. I think that this buy itself shows that Musahrraf was not corrupt, as even low grade corrupt Pakistani government officers and certainly corrupt Pakistani politicians of any standing in PMLN, PPP pr PMLQ who bought property in UK bought higher value property in London.

[For instance: A thug like Nawaz whose family was worth few ‘Lac’ rupees at most before he came into politics (could be worth even in negative), ruled less than Musharraf and not even in as much powerful position as Musharraf, managed to embezzle billions of pounds and have over £1000 million (or over a billion pounds) worth properties in London. Even his one of many flats (I think he has 4 or more at that spot) looking at Hyde Park is worth 10s of million pounds. Zardari along with his wife ruled Pakistan less than half of the time Musharraf ruled and still he managed to buy building 1 Hyde Park, that is worth around £140 million, and that is one of his many exploits. Even little thug like Rehman Malik earned from corruption so much in few years before 1997 that his flat in London is worth several times more than Musharraf. Most cronies of Nawaz have flats in London worth several times more luxurious and expensive than what Musharraf has.

Now to answer those ignorant, propaganda agents, or paid servatns of Liar Nawaz Thug and other politician like him, who may question even that £1.35 million Musharraf paid for his flat.

Well, first of all Musharraf flat is bought using a large portion loan that he got because he is earning several million pounds a year giving lectures in west after retirement.

Further, Pakistan may pay little to Army officers but Pakistani Army officers get other monetary incentives LEGALLY from Pakistan government, like plots and agricultural lands over their career that are worth millions of pounds. That is nothing to do with Musharraf but that is 'perk' in the army that all get (Musharraf is no exception). Musharraf served army at highest position (army chief) for longest than any Pakistani army officer (except Zia) and must have received his 'shares of perk' LEGALLY too, and that could be much more than several million pounds.

In the end, Musharraf saw fastest growing economy in history of Pakistan and during his time stock market index (KSE index) increased 22 times from 700 to 15600 (such increase no Pakistani ruler saw, not even fraction of that, and that includes Ayub or Zia). Musharraf had one of the best financial minds working under him (again it was unique with him that no past rulers had). During his rule, one can see the longest stable exchange rate Pakistan ever seen (never happened in Pakistan history that rupee stayed stable for 9 years). Most Pakistani salary paid staff (like Musharraf) are encouraged by tax-rules to invest some of their investment in stock market or NIT (National Investment Trust) to save tax.

So, it is no big deal to expect that Musharraf must have invested some money in stock market too that he must be investing since he started working in early 60s. For Musharraf to have 50 lacs or more invested in KSE even in 1999 is not unexpected. Looking at KSE, anyone who had 50 lacs (around £45,000) invested in KSE when Musharraf came to power in 1999 and re-invested whatever dividend he/she receives (no new investment since 1999 but reinvestment of dividends), than even on average return at KSE, the person should have had more than £2 million in 1998. So, in such situation to buy £1.35 million property for Musharraf in London is no big deal ... and that excludes any loan he obtained for property purchase, any sale of properties he might have done in Pakistan received as army officer, his retirement money (that every Pakistani government servant gets when retire), or whatever Musharraf earned after 1999 from lectures in west, or saved during this time as President.

Most of your post roams around his London home and how chastised is Mushy. Since you are ardently confirming with registry and the cost would like to give you the benefit of the doubt that Mushy is not corrupt in that London Property deal. Can I have a link to the Loan agreement?

Would like to know more about 50 hectares of land bought in Bhawalpur. As well as Chak Shahzad Property as most of you who have seen is a palace in itself. During his tenure, everyone is aware how long his entourages were and how much money he spend on himself and his dogies whom he likes to show to everyone.

Comparing with Nawaz or Zardari is itself an hypocrisy. Musharraf is the one who brought Zardari, BB and Nawaz back to Pakistan. For his self-fish interest to escape unharmed, he made the evil NRO deal.

Talking about Pakistan Army officers getting lands and other perks doesnot qualify to Musharraf being given places to live in London etc. Would like to know how is he getting the APML money from?

Everyone is corrupt including Pervez Musharraf. Infact, he is considered a criminal for many in Pakistan. And frankly, the hope of getting seats to power are too low. I would class it to Karacihi, Hyderabad and some PML-Q seats in Punjab and Lahore. Nevertheless, Wish Musharraf and his ardent idol worshippers GOOD LUCK !!!

[Salim]

PLease read and learn if possible

In my opinion, there are three types of people who hate Musharraf.

One: Corrupts.
Second: Kharjees and their supporters.
Three: People who are doing Topi-Drama for political reasons or political survival.

[That does not mean that people in group two and three are not in group one.]

Haroon Rashid is in second group.

[Eagle4Ever]

In my opinion, there are three types of people who hate Musharraf.

One: Corrupts.
Second: Kharjees and their supporters.
Three: People who are doing Topi-Drama for political reasons or political survival.

[That does not mean that people in group two and three are not in group one.]

Haroon Rashid is in second group.

OK so according to you, anyone telling the truth is a Musharraf Hater? Well then dear see the poles yourself and decide. I for one am neither Mushi lover nor hater dude.

I am only Muslim first and then a Pakistani who fears the day Allah will raise him amoung the one he loved and supported.
Do you want come in front of Allah with him and share his deeds?

Besides, care to elaborate your aligations with some supported material from any source? He loves Khuwirji right, alright prove it!!!!!!!

All mushy haters are doing topi drama, to do what?? Please elaborate and what is Mushy doing AND DID. Please ellaborate that too.

Come on wake up, look at the poles and tell me how do you feel about that.

Tu ajji man tasha, wa tu zillu man tasha "and whom he (Allah) he wants makes respectable and to whom he wishes bestows disgrace onto"
Care telling me anything similar to such corruption of Mushy from Imran Khan?

Game on buddy, I am here.

[Asian Union]

Weep Pakistan Weep:

But there is hope since we now have a 'New Military Establishment', the new Army has done lots of good work and hopefully it would do better. Yuppy.

The clips will break many hearts of Pakistanis.

DAWN REPORT:

Reporter - Parliament investigates corruption of Musharraf's Generals - EP53 - Part 1:


Reporter - Parliament investigates corruption of Musharraf's Generals - EP53 - Part 2:


Reporter - Parliament investigates corruption of Musharraf's Generals - EP53 - Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBfbDDFG_1k

Reporter - Parliament investigates corruption of Musharraf's Generals - EP53 - Part 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQjMakTIyVQ

Reporter - Parliament investigates corruption of Musharraf's Generals - EP53 - Part 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxI2mZsGlYE

He damaged the reputation of Pakistan Army...Musharraf was good riddance.

[sobank]

I am sorry but if the whole point of bringing musharaf is to take care of corrupt politician then apparently you guys are no more stupid ignorant and mentally illiterate than the old Pakistani in a village who never seen school in his life.

Musharaf had a blank cheque to fill with any punishment for 8 years. For first few years, blind support of people. The promise was justice. After 8 years, you screw justice. Lets have NRO. And now lets bring the same old sh|t face back. ............... and you people call american stupid for electing bush twice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! as I have said thousand time and time before - our real problem is not the illiterate, its the "parhay likhay".

On the record, Musharaf by musharaf order, WAPDA was not stopped from developing any new generation plant or upgrade to grid for saving electricity losses. He was given the proposal of saving 3000 MW from Lahore and vicinity grid upgrade. Musharaf heard all of the proposals and then banned the development and gave the go ahead with rental power. Yeah the freaking rental power. To date not a single one of "Musharafan" talks about it.

Call zardari whatever but the reality is that electricity shortage is a gift from musharaf erra. You wanna talk about management then lets talk about it.

I see and am disgusted by the behavior of you people. Not a single "oh, I didnt know it. Explain a little more". You wonder why people wait for corrupt stupid politicians............. look at yourself.

"Hazrat Musharaf" can never commit a crime. He is masoom.

Here are some defensive stances read them and shoot yourself in head with grief that these are coming from apparently "paray likhee" awam.



He was not corrupt he did it out of stupidity.
Noop. They are all lying. (I practically went into shock when the proof of musharaf being great was given from the same lying sources)
It was not justice, it was supposed to wipe out the slate so he can peacefully stay in power.
Musharaf never lied. (Remember "this is the video from our(Pakistani) drone attack on school that killed 70-80 terrorist children. To date, we still trying to find that predator drone. Musharaf sahab probably hid it up his a$$ when he left because general kiyani sahab cannt find it.)


Just imagine.

[Salim]

Most of your post roams around his London home and how chastised is Mushy. Since you are ardently confirming with registry and the cost would like to give you the benefit of the doubt that Mushy is not corrupt in that London Property deal. Can I have a link to the Loan agreement?

You are writing as if I am tax office and it is my duty to explain you everything. It is just like I accuse you of being thief then ask you to show me receipt of your underwear to prove that you bought that and did not stole it.

I can only show you that the flat Musharraf bought in May 2009 is the one I mentioned (according to address given in a news article, I have link to that article too) and that the registered price paid for that flat was £1.35 million.

Anyhow, from the price of the flat I believe that Musharraf was not corrupt as if Musharraf was corrupt he would have bought several 10s of million pounds flat (something not a big price in London).

Would like to know more about 50 hectares of land bought in Bhawalpur. As well as Chak Shahzad Property as most of you who have seen is a palace in itself. During his tenure, everyone is aware how long his entourages were and how much money he spend on himself and his dogies whom he likes to show to everyone.

I do not have any record that Musharraf bought 50 hectare (around 120 acre) in Bhawalpur but even if he has done that then that is no big deal, as most agricultural land in Bhawalpur are not expensive. As for chak Shahzad property, that he bought from open market over 10 years ago when price of that property was few 10s of lac. Main culprits in Chak Shahzad property case is BB and NS who sold those property cheaply (for few thousand rupees) to their cronies. As for what he spent on himself or his pets, that is his business. He was in well paid job any Pakistani can have in Pakistan and he deserves to spend what he earns the way he likes. He did not spend looted and plundered money and that is what matters.

Comparing with Nawaz or Zardari is itself an hypocrisy. Musharraf is the one who brought Zardari, BB and Nawaz back to Pakistan. For his self-fish interest to escape unharmed, he made the evil NRO deal.

No, it was not NRO but voters who brought corrupt thugs into power.

As for NRO, again the wording of NRO is not about forgiving corrupts or criminals but withdrawing those cases that Judges think are political cases. So, to forgive and not to forgive anyone using NRO is discretion of judges and not Musharraf. One can say that NRO was good law if properly implemented (by judges) and bad if misused (as that is the case with any law).

As for NRO and deal, then what deal? ... I heard of it by corrupts but no one is willing to emphasise (shows their lies and propaganda). Reason is simple, that is, Musharraf did not needed NRO or any deal to stay in power, as he was already in power and strongly established when he brought NRO. Actually, NRO did not give any strength to Musharraf rule rather it brought more thugs into arena to make trouble for Musharraf.

Talking about Pakistan Army officers getting lands and other perks doesnot qualify to Musharraf being given places to live in London etc. Would like to know how is he getting the APML money from?

What palace in London or who gave Musharraf a palace in London to live? Are you talking about Musharraf ‘modest working class flat in London and considering it a palace’ and thinking of real multi-million pounds palaces where corrupts like Nawaz, Zardari, Imran or other thug Pakistani politicians and bureaucrats live?

Can you please explain what you mean by ‘getting the APML money from? Is there something called ‘APML money’ or what you wrote is side-effect of some medicine you are taking?

If you mean, you are thinking of money in launching a party then I can only increase your information that it does not cost money to launch a party and if you want to you can launch one tomorrow from your sitting room.

Everyone is corrupt including Pervez Musharraf. Infact, he is considered a criminal for many in Pakistan. And frankly, the hope of getting seats to power are too low. I would class it to Karacihi, Hyderabad and some PML-Q seats in Punjab and Lahore. Nevertheless, Wish Musharraf and his ardent idol worshippers GOOD LUCK !!!

Everyone is corrupt? I am not, that is what I believe. Anyhow, I have to admit that all corrupts believe that everyone is corrupt.

As for Musharraf is considered criminal by many in Pakistan, than that is your opinion and you have right to have that opinion. Similarly, many people believe that Zia (was), Zardari, Nawaz, Ayub (was), Yahya(was), Bugti, Shahbaz, Wali Khan, Asfand-yar-wali, Qazi, Fazlu, Shujaat, Altaf, Imran, Bhutto (was), BeNazir (was), etc, etc, etc ... are/were all criminals, so what?

As for APML getting seats and from where that party would get seats; that is all speculation. I am not future-teller (Jotshi) so I cannot say. Only thing I can say is that, party would get no seat or may sweep the poll all over Pakistan, time would tell. Anyhow, from analysing present situation, I can only say is that, there are only two parties that can get seats from all over Pakistan and they are PPP and PMLQ under Musharraf (as Shujaat Hussain would not attract seats or votes from outside Punjab). Actually, party under Musharraf would attract many PPP votes too. Anyhow, if PMLQ would contest election under Shujaat and APML does not manage to get launched properly all over Pakistan, than there is no chance that any party could challenge PPP in next election. As for Karachi, I do not think any party can dent MQM. As for Lahore and few seats around Lahore, maybe majority seat would be held by PMLN.

[Pak-Eye]

People who completely embrace Musharraf with all his goods and bads, mainly fall into below categories:

1. People who are in their 70s now and happened to be failure in their lives
2. People who fell victim to the propaganda of 'illusion' i.e. a change which is positive cosmetically yet destructive in long term AND goes completely against Islam
3. People who like kanjar khana, bayghairti, are brown nose, have inferiority complex, have no courage or skills to stand tall, are still slaves since 1857 and believe the way to success is only by licking western a$$es
4. Are educated white collar 'corrupts' i.e. turn blind eye when it comes to NRO as if it never happened, support Altaf Hussain, support corrupt chahdaries just because they were with Musharraf
5. Are relative of Musharraf, are relatives of people who got positions and posts during Musharraf's 9 year topi drama
6. Are pagans, neo liberals, ultra seculars who feel shame in todays' time calling themselves Muslims, feel shame for standing and fighting for the right of Muslims, feel shame in showing west the mirror, feel shame whenever it comes to doing 'jihad by sword' against injustice, love to stray away from Tawheed (the first and core pillar of Islam) yet have no problem in adopting hindu, pagan and idolworhsipping activities including sex in the name of 'modernism' and 'modern religion'
7. Are the descendants of traitors who did treason to Muslims throughout the Islamic history i.e. against Muslims by siding with Mongols, by siding with Europe against Turks, by siding with British in 1857 against endian Muslims and of course today by siding with America in today's crusade against Muslims of Iraq, Palestine and above all Afghanistan

[Zola]

People who completely embrace Musharraf with all his goods and bads, mainly fall into below categories:

1. People who are in their 70s now and happened to be failure in their lives
2. People who fell victim to the propaganda of 'illusion' i.e. a change which is positive cosmetically yet destructive in long term AND goes completely against Islam
3. People who like kanjar khana, bayghairti, are brown nose, have inferiority complex, have no courage or skills to stand tall, are still slaves since 1857 and believe the way to success is only by licking western a$$es
4. Are educated white collar 'corrupts' i.e. turn blind eye when it comes to NRO as if it never happened, support Altaf Hussain, support corrupt chahdaries just because they were with Musharraf
5. Are relative of Musharraf, are relatives of people who got positions and posts during Musharraf's 9 year topi drama
6. Are pagans, neo liberals, ultra seculars who feel shame in todays' time calling themselves Muslims, feel shame for standing and fighting for the right of Muslims, feel shame in showing west the mirror, feel shame whenever it comes to doing 'jihad by sword' against injustice, love to stray away from Tawheed (the first and core pillar of Islam) yet have no problem in adopting hindu, pagan and idolworhsipping activities including sex in the name of 'modernism' and 'modern religion'
7. Are the descendants of traitors who did treason to Muslims throughout the Islamic history i.e. against Muslims by siding with Mongols, by siding with Europe against Turks, by siding with British in 1857 against endian Muslims and of course today by siding with America in today's crusade against Muslims of Iraq, Palestine and above all Afghanistan

I completely agree !!!

And for those who fail to do the same; belong to one of the categories mentioned above........

[haroons222]

Pak-Eye:

Thats a very comprehensive list:).
But i think there is a LARGE group of people who feel Compelled that they need to defend Mush,and start owning his mistakes due to some weird connection/rishta.They dont need to do that,and hopefully they realize that soon.Trying to say that as ambigously as i can:).

[Khalqat]

People who completely embrace Musharraf with all his goods and bads, mainly fall into below categories:

Musharraf is not the name of a religion that people would embrace him. People who support Musharraf know what to expect from him. Agreed there are widely encompassing interest groups who are currently supporting him, but that is the case with every single politician in Pakistan.

Again, those who come up with such lists [like yourself] are just merely vouching for something that has evaded them lately. Before calling others Kafirs, I suggest you explain to us first where does "Zeus" become part of Islam [your avatar].

So unless you have someone better in your 'eyes' than our regular lot, I suggest you better keep such lists to yourself.

[Khalqat]

In my opinion, there are three types of people who hate Musharraf.

One: Corrupts.
Second: Kharjees and their supporters.
Three: People who are doing Topi-Drama for political reasons or political survival.

[That does not mean that people in group two and three are not in group one.]

Haroon Rashid is in second group.

Looks like Haroon Rashid is again suffering from amnesia. Some body needs to ask him to elaborate what kind of public trial he is writing about? Would he want the Sialkot incident to be repeated? I hear a good many people involved in that incident were educated.

[Khalqat]

^^^see this is what i am talking abt. I dont care if you expose every politician out there, but when someone challenges Mush, its all propaganda to you.

I think it was Kamran Abbasi's show where his guest had documented proof of Mush. PLOT(s) allotment at prime locations throughout Pakistan.I think we've already discussed the pies handed out to to his son's in laws so no need of going there.
Everyone is corrupt,including MUSHARRAF.Learn to live with criticism.

Khalqat, i dont know how that implies!:s...it is not me against anyone,it is me against this mess...and they are all rotten!But like i said,i supported YOUR MAN, as long as i had no reason to suspect him...i can post my early days posts from 2005 if you would like!
Infact, i was even ok with him shaking hands with all those dirtbags(i dont believe in miracles,its too much to ask for a squeaky clean politician all of a sudden) For me it was his strategic internal blunders and abuse of power.

Mush likes to dish it out, he should learn to take it as well(esp. without the wardi, he will find himself very mortal)

In case you did not notice, the primary inundation of posts [coming from Asian Union] are being 'released' from Ahsan Iqbal. So it is natural to conclude this is all one sided propaganda. If you bring any impartial and logical piece than that would worth some salt, otherwise keep on dreaming with your Superman like inferiority complex.

My support for Musharraf is genuine, and thats because of numerous reasons. Some of which are:

1. Objectivity
2. He can hold his own in front of anybody.
3. He is the only one capable of bringing Change.
4. He has shown how to work out a good foreign policy.
5. He cannot and should not be compared to other politicans simply because he wasnt one.
6. But he worked atleast 10 times better than any lose definition of politician we currently have.
7. No body thinks he is MASOOM
8. But as mentioned before; he is 10 times better than anyone else!
9. He introduced Local Government Body system --- A VERY GOOD STEP
10. I am not one of those who are waiting for the Hidden Imam to come forward to save Pakistan.

[Asian Union]

You are writing as if I am tax office and it is my duty to explain you everything. It is just like I accuse you of being thief then ask you to show me receipt of your underwear to prove that you bought that and did not stole it.

I can only show you that the flat Musharraf bought in May 2009 is the one I mentioned (according to address given in a news article, I have link to that article too) and that the registered price paid for that flat was £1.35 million.

Anyhow, from the price of the flat I believe that Musharraf was not corrupt as if Musharraf was corrupt he would have bought several 10s of million pounds flat (something not a big price in London).

Sadly, I found it rather difficult to understand your messed up low-grade posts. Anyways, you are the one who claims Musharraf took a Loan to buy the £1.35m home in London and I only requested a link confirming he took the 'loan'. Else u r deliberatly misleading people that he is actually too poor that he had to take the unfortunate loan, proving he is only Holy.

Regardless, you ignored the evidence of Musharraf's mega corruption and scandals.

I do not have any record that Musharraf bought 50 hectare (around 120 acre) in Bhawalpur but even if he has done that then that is no big deal, as most agricultural land in Bhawalpur are not expensive. As for chak Shahzad property, that he bought from open market over 10 years ago when price of that property was few 10s of lac. Main culprits in Chak Shahzad property case is BB and NS who sold those property cheaply (for few thousand rupees) to their cronies. As for what he spent on himself or his pets, that is his business. He was in well paid job any Pakistani can have in Pakistan and he deserves to spend what he earns the way he likes. He did not spend looted and plundered money and that is what matters.

Infact it was 50 acres(not hectares) of Land he bought in Bhawalpur, correction made. How did u confirm that it was agricultural land since u r not even aware of ? It could be the expensive plots, residential or land for business purposes all looted and plundered like other men in power. Am sure Amry men are not donated 50 acres of land in it.

No, it was not NRO but voters who brought corrupt thugs into power.

As for NRO, again the wording of NRO is not about forgiving corrupts or criminals but withdrawing those cases that Judges think are political cases. So, to forgive and not to forgive anyone using NRO is discretion of judges and not Musharraf. One can say that NRO was good law if properly implemented (by judges) and bad if misused (as that is the case with any law).

As for NRO and deal, then what deal? ... I heard of it by corrupts but no one is willing to emphasise (shows their lies and propaganda). Reason is simple, that is, Musharraf did not needed NRO or any deal to stay in power, as he was already in power and strongly established when he brought NRO. Actually, NRO did not give any strength to Musharraf rule rather it brought more thugs into arena to make trouble for Musharraf.

It was Musharraf himself who deduced the NRO was a mistake and it was brought by Musharraf to protect the corrupt PPP and give himself a safe passage. The deal was about BB and Musharraf while Boucher and Miliband were the witness in present to bring the corrupts back. That is BB the prime minister and Musharraf to remain the president. Pervez Musharraf had 8 years and 10 months to disband and eliminate the corrupts but as evidence shows he along his ex-Army and political loyalists brought the incompetent, corrupt bastards back. Would like to know from u "who were the benefactors of NRO" ? Enough said.

What palace in London or who gave Musharraf a palace in London to live? Are you talking about Musharraf ‘modest working class flat in London and considering it a palace’ and thinking of real multi-million pounds palaces where corrupts like Nawaz, Zardari, Imran or other thug Pakistani politicians and bureaucrats live? Can you please explain what you mean by ‘getting the APML money from? Is there something called ‘APML money’ or what you wrote is side-effect of some medicine you are taking? If you mean, you are thinking of money in launching a party then I can only increase your information that it does not cost money to launch a party and if you want to you can launch one tomorrow from your sitting room.

Dude are you acting stupid and blind or you just cannot read & infact rather qualify as 'Illiterate'? Where is it mentioned about a "PALACE" in London ? I mentioned a place to live in London in an analogical manner.

Regarding APML(All Pakistan Musharraf League), it takes money to launch a party, to have conferences, meetings, organize crowds, advertisement, media representations and vote gathering. It doesnot cost 'FREE'. I was only humbly requesting for where APML gets the money. Isn't it unfortunate that both APML and MQM Coward Leadership sits outside of Pakistan and their Cowardly neo-Musharraf worshippers do their worshipping in Pakistan ? What an irony.

Everyone is corrupt? I am not, that is what I believe. Anyhow, I have to admit that all corrupts believe that everyone is corrupt.

As for Musharraf is considered criminal by many in Pakistan, than that is your opinion and you have right to have that opinion. Similarly, many people believe that Zia (was), Zardari, Nawaz, Ayub (was), Yahya(was), Bugti, Shahbaz, Wali Khan, Asfand-yar-wali, Qazi, Fazlu, Shujaat, Altaf, Imran, Bhutto (was), BeNazir (was), etc, etc, etc ... are/were all criminals, so what?

The cowardly neo-Musharraf slaves are accusing others to be corrupt while in the same breath comment on not being corrupt themselves. You are like an ugly Hindu with 'bagal mein churri moun mein ram ram'. Enough said.
Watch this Musharraf called the criminal,

[Asian Union]

Musharraf included in BB murder probe

ISLAMABAD: The PPP government is learnt to have decided to formally include former president Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf in the extended investigation into the assassination of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto.

A joint investigation team (JIT) of the Federal Investigation Agency has prepared a 32-point questionnaire which will be sent to the former president in the UK in a few days.

“We have prepared a questionnaire for the former president to record his statement,” FIA Director General Waseem Ahmed said, adding: “We want to record the statement of everybody who has any connection with the case.”

When asked why was Gen Musharraf being involved in the case after the JIT had completed its report and submitted it to an anti-terrorism court, the DG said the case would remain open until all supplementary information was obtained.

He said the questionnaire had been sent to the interior ministry for approval. “After getting the approval, we will send it to Musharraf through both e-mail and by post.”

When asked what would the FIA do if Gen Musharraf did not reply to the questionnaire, Mr Ahmed said: “It is too early to ask this question.”

Interior ministry sources said the document contained questions relating to security lapse. It asks the former president why did he not provide foolproof security to Ms Bhutto after she had narrowly escaped a bomb blast in Karachi’s Karsaz area on Oct 18, 2007.

Former interior secretary Syed Kamal Shah had said the security provided to her was the same as given to a sitting prime minister.

Former Rawalpindi SP Ashfaq Anwar, who was Ms Bhutto’s security in-charge at the time of the gun-and-bomb attack in Liaquat Bagh on Dec 27, 2007, is reported to have confessed before the court that adequate security arrangements could have averted the incident.

Fawad Chaudhry, Gen Musharraf’s close aide and spokesman, said the former president had nothing to do with the security of Ms Bhutto. He described the government’s move to send the questionnaire to Gen Musharraf as an attempt to politicise the case and damage him politically.

“The FIA should know that a Scotland Yard team which completed its investigation into the case had met Musharraf and recorded his statement,” he said.

The JIT has held Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan responsible for killing Ms Bhutto and accused the slain TTP chief, Baitullah Mehsud, of masterminding the murder.

However, a UN commission in its report on the assassination said that blaming the TTP leader was an attempt to divert the investigation from the right course.

Sources said the JIT did not record the statement of any government official in the case, including Interior Minister Rehman Malik. Earlier, the investigation team had decided to send a questionnaire to Mr Malik, but it was not done.

Ashfaq Anwar, one of the main accused in the case, has gone to the UK on a scholarship. He was head of the Rawalpindi Elite Force and responsible for providing security to Ms Bhutto. Maj (retd) Imtiaz, former personal security officer of Ms Bhutto, has been made DIG Quetta.

http://www.dawn.com/...er-probe-2.html

Musharraf 'to be questioned in Bhutto investigation'
The National staff

Last Updated: Nov 23, 2010

The Pakistan government has decided to formally include the country's former president, Pervez Musharraf, in the extended investigation into the assassination of the former prime minister Benazir Bhutto in 2007, according to reports today.

The country's Dawn newspaper said a joint investigation team of the Federal Investigation Agency has prepared a 32-point questionnaire that will be sent to the former president in the UK soon.

The FIA director, Gen Waseem Ahmed, was quoted saying: "We want to record the statement of everybody who has any connection with the case."

Gen Ahmed said the case would remain open until all supplementary information had been obtained.

According to the paper, when asked what the agency would do if Mr Musharraf did not reply to the questionnaire, Gen Ahmed said: "It's too early to say".

Ms Bhutto was killed on December 27, 2007, when leaving a campaign rally for her party, the PPP, at Liaquat National Bagh where she had been addressing party members.

She had stood up through the sunroof of her bulletproof vehicle when a gunman opened fire and explosions were detonated near the vehicle, killing 20 people.

Ms Bhutto was taken for surgery at Rawalpindi General Hospital but pronounced dead soon after arrival.

http://www.thenation...o-investigation

[usmanakram]

im dissing this topic

[Asian Union]

im dissing this topic

Okay Bye!!!

[Salim]

Sadly, I found it rather difficult to understand your messed up low-grade posts. Anyways, you are the one who claims Musharraf took a Loan to buy the £1.35m home in London and I only requested a link confirming he took the 'loan'. Else u r deliberatly misleading people that he is actually too poor that he had to take the unfortunate loan, proving he is only Holy.

Since you are mentally retarded then obviously anything logical would look low grade and messed up to you, and that is what is happening. I claimed that Musharraf took loan because that is what Musharraf and his team on media claimed last year when he bought the flat and according to my knowledge, that is true too. As for making you believe that, I do not care as I do not care for retards.

Regardless, you ignored the evidence of Musharraf's mega corruption and scandals.

In any of your post there is no evidence but accusation and that is customary that anyone who got into power in Pakistan got accused of corruption too. Anyhow, facts on ground regarding Musharraf is enough evidence that all accusers are ‘Lanati’ liars, because if they were not liars than Musharraf would have had enough money from corruption to buy a decent multi-million pound flat in Lodnon, not a ‘working class flat’ at fairly modest price.

Infact it was 50 acres(not hectares) of Land he bought in Bhawalpur, correction made. How did u confirm that it was agricultural land since u r not even aware of ? It could be the expensive plots, residential or land for business purposes all looted and plundered like other men in power. Am sure Amry men are not donated 50 acres of land in it.

You asked me, how I assumed that if Musharraf bough 50 hectares (or after your correction, 50 acres) land in Baluchistan than it must be agricultural land ... so here is the answer, that is, I am not mentally retarded like you so I know it ...

Well, I assumed it because in Pakistan, residential or business properties are not measured in acres or hectares, but they are measured in marlas, Kanals or square yards. Only agricultural lands are measured in hectares or acres (normally, acres in Pakistan). Anyhow, very occasionally, allocated industrial lands are sometime measured in acres, though they are also usually measured in kanals or sq yards.

It was Musharraf himself who deduced the NRO was a mistake and it was brought by Musharraf to protect the corrupt PPP and give himself a safe passage. The deal was about BB and Musharraf while Boucher and Miliband were the witness in present to bring the corrupts back. That is BB the prime minister and Musharraf to remain the president. Pervez Musharraf had 8 years and 10 months to disband and eliminate the corrupts but as evidence shows he along his ex-Army and political loyalists brought the incompetent, corrupt bastards back. Would like to know from u "who were the benefactors of NRO" ? Enough said.

Musharraf did say that he made mistake by bringing NRO, but that mistake was after realising that even though NRO could be used in good way, corrupt judges of Supreme courts and Pakistani corrupt administration used that as licence to clear all corrupts, even withdrawing genuine corruption cases, even though wording of NRO is that only those cases should be withdrawn that are politically motivated and not genuine.

As for deal and brining BB in Prime Minister Office was not because Musharraf was getting weak or that Musharraf needed BB to survive, but it was due to reason that Musharraf wanted backing of a strong political partner in Islamabad so that army can move against Kharjees with force having popular political will behind them. BB was supposed to be political voice for Musharraf government in moving against Kharjee terrorists like ‘TTP’ operating within Pakistan.

Dude are you acting stupid and blind or you just cannot read & infact rather qualify as 'Illiterate'? Where is it mentioned about a "PALACE" in London ? I mentioned a place to live in London in an analogical manner.

Dude, why don’t you read what you wrote and look in the mirror? I am sure you will get your answer and would find in mirror a stupid illiterate idiot staring at you.

Regarding APML(All Pakistan Musharraf League), it takes money to launch a party, to have conferences, meetings, organize crowds, advertisement, media representations and vote gathering. It doesnot cost 'FREE'. I was only humbly requesting for where APML gets the money. Isn't it unfortunate that both APML and MQM Coward Leadership sits outside of Pakistan and their Cowardly neo-Musharraf worshippers do their worshipping in Pakistan ? What an irony.

Musharraf is special, not like any other Pakistani politicians or celebrity. People spend $1000 to hear him speak in lectures. In same way, when Musharraf decided to launch party (APML), there are many individuals who started donating millions of dollars to party. Hence, even though Musharraf is earning millions of dollars a month giving lectures and can afford to spend on party too, he is not spending much because party itself is generating funds from donations.

The cowardly neo-Musharraf slaves are accusing others to be corrupt while in the same breath comment on not being corrupt themselves. You are like an ugly Hindu with 'bagal mein churri moun mein ram ram'. Enough said.

Kahta hun sach kay jhoot kee adaat nahi mujhay
Jalti hay poonch teri tou may kiya karoon?

As for accusation of ugly Hindu with 'bagal mein churri moun mein ram ram' ... I am sure you wrote that about yourself after you done your self-analysis, as that is what you are doing from day one in every post ... that is lying and lying throughout.

For example: in one of your post you wrote that Musharraf accused/abused Kiyani when in the video you posted, ticker on screen clearly tells that Musharraf was accusing A Q Khan and not Kiyani, and it was obvious that you were trying to spread misinformation. As for Kiyani, he is handpicked Musharraf’s man for ‘C-in-C’ job, so why would Musharraf accuse Kiyani?

[Pak-Eye]

Pak-Eye:

Thats a very comprehensive list:).
But i think there is a LARGE group of people who feel Compelled that they need to defend Mush,and start owning his mistakes due to some weird connection/rishta.They dont need to do that,and hopefully they realize that soon.Trying to say that as ambigously as i can:).

Likewise we all do sincerely hope they realize it soon

[MoThSmOkE]

I am sure there must be some patriot Pakistani whose a Musharraf supporter. Everyone's entitled to their opinions.

To each his own. Lets not make it personal and start branding each other names.

Sure he did screw ups during the last years of his tenure I dont think he was corrupt (atleast in monetary terms).