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[noxiouspython]

Aoa

Bhai multiple times Sindhis have made national government. MQM was a government ally for a long time. Isn't it the responsibility of the representatives of Karachi to move for such changes?

W/salaam

[worldpower]

Aoa


On the matter of Agriculture:

There is agricultural tax and now they introduced 15% income tax also on agricultural income. The 15% tax is in Punjab for people over a certain land holding.

All the pesticides and weedicides and fertilizers have been taxed. Diesel used is taxes. Tractors and other implements are also taxed.

So I do not understand why people repeat this thing that the agriculture sector is untaxed.

W/salaam

 

 

Brother Noxious:

 

Please provide me the source of the 15% tax. Because it is simply not true. At max there is 2.5% which is miniscule. 

 

http://www.economic-...ait-in-pakistan

 

Taxes on Fuel and pesticides is different thing altogether. Those are costs of doing business. Not a tax on the profit margin. We're talking about a straight income tax on Agricultural income which is the greatest source of income in Pakistan. The Vaderas in our parliament have made sure there will never be a proper tax on income. 

[worldpower]

Aoa

Bhai multiple times Sindhis have made national government. MQM was a government ally for a long time. Isn't it the responsibility of the representatives of Karachi to move for such changes?

W/salaam

 

Mera Bhai,

 

That is a very naive thing to say. Being an "ALLY" gives no special authority  Their "responsibility to move for such a change"... how?? To pick up a gun? The MQM introduced several bills for greater local government....ALL SHOT DOWN by the PPP even when in alliance. 

 

Through what mechanism can the Karachi representatives enact such changes? Do you think for one second these vaderas that Pakistan votes in will allow further authority to Karachi?  

 

The Karachiites have no choice but to vote for MQM. And MQM have no choice but to work with the government that the REST of Pakistan elects...which in this case is either Ganjoo or Zardari kutta. Being a government ally only means that they've agreed to coexist. It gives no authority to the representatives of Karachi. 

 

The MQM has for years demanded greater rights for Karachi. Have they been given any such authority? Its ironic how the only time Karachi was given any authority was through a dictator. 

 

These PPP thugs actually removed all of Musharrafs local body reforms and reintroduced the Commission system of BRITISH INDIA! Why do you think we no longer have Syed Mustafa Kamal. 

 

I dont see Ganjoo allowing for any local body reforms on the National stage either. 

 

 

So brother, you do injustice to the Karachiites when you simply dismiss their problems by saying that "they should do something about it" 

[blueazure]

Lo jee. First we had ganjoo pr team aka mr gallant, now parha likhas have started crying as well..

This nation is screwed

[BaburMissile]

 

 

Brother BABUR:

 

Its not Dizazta's right to judge someones patriotism and his holier than thou rant on Islam is not for him to give. 

 

 

But answer me this Babur:  If all Pakistanis are the same..... Why are Karachiites discriminated and denied their rights? Why the double standards against Karachi? Answer me this and then talk to me about UNITY and EQUALITY. 

 

Is it fair that a city that gives SO MUCH is given SO LITTLE BACK?  Karachiites were first held hostage by the Central Government and now the Sindhi (Rural Vadera) government. Why are they not given local authority? Every other city in the world the size of Karachi has its own police and municipality structure. Why not Karachi?

 

Lets not talk be people who just TALK about ISLAM but actually implement the JUSTICE and EQUALITY that Islam stresses so much. 

 

You're 100% correct brother. By the way, Karachi isn't the only city which is discriminated and denied their rights. Unfortunately, in Pakistan almost every province and city is denied their rights barring Islamabad and certain parts of Punjab. Reason being? You should always remembers that Pakistan is controlled by a bunch of elite feudal thugs. These are the remnants of our colonial past. This minority has since our existence resorted to indiscriminate corruption and looting. These people think that they are above the law. These people think that the majority of Pakistanis are like termites which need to be kept uneducated, impoverished and under their vicious rule. Add to that, the dangerous politics played by ganjoo and you can understand why 75% of Pakistan is in chaos and suffering. Pakistan requires an educated and patriotic leader who can lead from the front and unite the people. Not a leader that divides the people and picks sides. Ganjoo can't even side with the Pak army let alone Karachi.

 

Karachi is the jugular vain of Pakistan. Karachi deserves the utmost respect from all Pakistanis. Karachi gives to all Pakistan. I don't care whether you're a Punjabi, Pakhtun, Sindhi or Baloch. Karachi belongs to every Pakistani because this city represents entire Pakistan.

[noxiouspython]

Aoa

 
 
Brother Noxious:
 
Please provide me the source of the 15% tax. Because it is simply not true. At max there is 2.5% which is miniscule. 
 
http://www.economic-...ait-in-pakistan
 
Taxes on Fuel and pesticides is different thing altogether. Those are costs of doing business. Not a tax on the profit margin. We're talking about a straight income tax on Agricultural income which is the greatest source of income in Pakistan. The Vaderas in our parliament have made sure there will never be a proper tax on income. 

Well I don't know the exact law but The Assistant commissioner and patwari who have been after me seem to think there is. Hehe

Now as far as I have understood is that they took an average income from leasing out and put 15% on it. Whether you make it or not. In some areas it is more than the average they have set and in others it is less.

Besides that we have to pay usher which varies from 5 to 10% on revenue not profit even.

All I know is that they have introduced it this year. I heard someone mention that they didn't bring it through parliament, apparently they used some other means. This could be unreliable as the person just didn't want to pay it. So who knows.

All I know is that they have introduced it this year. Shehbaz Shareef is all up on their case and has set targets that they have to meet. That is why these people are so active in trying to get it out.

And Allah knows best.

W/salaam

[worldpower]

Lo jee. First we had ganjoo pr team aka mr gallant, now parha likhas have started crying as well..

This nation is screwed

 

Hmmm....so voicing one's opinion is a problem now? If you cant handle other opinions you dont have to come to forum. 

[worldpower]

 

You're 100% correct brother. By the way, Karachi isn't the only city which is discriminated and denied their rights. Unfortunately, in Pakistan almost every province and city is denied their rights barring Islamabad and certain parts of Punjab. Reason being? You should always remembers that Pakistan is controlled by a bunch of elite feudal thugs. These are the remnants of our colonial past. This minority has since our existence resorted to indiscriminate corruption and looting. These people think that they are above the law. These people think that the majority of Pakistanis are like termites which need to be kept uneducated, impoverished and under their vicious rule. Add to that, the dangerous politics played by ganjoo and you can understand why 75% of Pakistan is in chaos and suffering. Pakistan requires an educated and patriotic leader who can lead from the front and unite the people. Not a leader that divides the people and picks sides. Ganjoo can't even side with the Pak army let alone Karachi.

 

Karachi is the jugular vain of Pakistan. Karachi deserves the utmost respect from all Pakistanis. Karachi gives to all Pakistan. I don't care whether you're a Punjabi, Pakhtun, Sindhi or Baloch. Karachi belongs to every Pakistani because this city represents entire Pakistan.

 

 

Brother I feel the pain of the other provinces as well...but we are talking about a city that pays more than Half the salaries of every government employee, including army, navy, full beauracracy.

 

 

But I promise you one thing. If local authority and rights are given to everyone...more than 80% of Pakistan's problems are solved. If that would happen...Karachiites wouldn't mind footing more than half the bill for everyone....we'd do it gladly for the nation....like we have for the past 60 years.

 

Now if only the mindset of rest of Pakistan could be changed. But i'm saddened to know that there are many munafiq supporters of Ganjoo and Zardari. I dont see this change happening anytime soon. 

[worldpower]

Aoa


Well I don't know the exact law but The Assistant commissioner and patwari who have been after me seem to think there is. Hehe

Now as far as I have understood is that they took an average income from leasing out and put 15% on it. Whether you make it or not. In some areas it is more than the average they have set and in others it is less.

Besides that we have to pay usher which varies from 5 to 10% on revenue not profit even.

All I know is that they have introduced it this year. I heard someone mention that they didn't bring it through parliament, apparently they used some other means. This could be unreliable as the person just didn't want to pay it. So who knows.

All I know is that they have introduced it this year. Shehbaz Shareef is all up on their case and has set targets that they have to meet. That is why these people are so active in trying to get it out.

And Allah knows best.

W/salaam

 

 

My brother....those are cosmetic applications...no concrete policies. Shahbaz is just trying to do patch work. HE's not addressing the problem. 

 

In my opinion, i think they're trying to steal from you using loopholes. Its another karz utaro scheme.

[blueazure]

here's a referesher for the parha likhas and their old myth of 65 percent

 

1) all of Karachi's natural gas and food consumables come from interior sindh ( ill leave this forum if anyone proves me wrong here   back in my oil and gas days in sindh, we had wells located in fields where gas was shipped to karachi to run the '65percent revenue ' of these parha likhas aka chosen ones while the sindhi farmer in that  very field used to burn wood!

 

2) karachi does not 'earn'  any revenue, it is where money basically changes hands thanks its location and the grip on financial services , shipping, logistics etc. 

 

3) gujrat, gujranwala , faisalabad have more industrial output than karachi,  KPK has more hydro resources 

 

4) karachi is being used as a base by the MQM thugs and urban guerillas to make Pakistan come to a standstill  ( the current protests on bhai's arrest )

 

 5) gwadar, pasni , ormara should be developed and linked with the urban rail and road network so as to end the blackmailing of these parha likhas on the whole country . many banks, industrial units are already moving to punjab ,dubai etc given the MQM do -numbari in this unfortunate city

[worldpower]

^^WOW.....JUST WOW...there's a famous line by Mark Twain for people like you:

 

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
 

 

http://en.wikipedia....nomy_of_Karachi

 

There's no point arguing with someone who considers being "parha likha"  an insult. 

 

http://www.dailytime...enue-share-teli

[blueazure]

^^ oh yes ofc, the parha likhas aka the chosen ones are the only  who have been enlightended with the light of education, rest of this country is jahil , ganwarr, caveman mullahs ,, 

 

mr parha likha , your own wikipedia link says 

 

http://en.wikipedia....nomy_of_Karachi

Karachi’s GDP is around 20% of the total GDP of Pakistan

 

 

out goes the 65percent myth,,,   

 

just in case you or your parha likha friends decide to edit the wiki entry, here 's a screen shot ive saved for reference 

 

http://tinypic.com/r/4t4uw9/8

 

 

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now please , get back to topic 

[noxiouspython]

Aoa

 
 
My brother....those are cosmetic applications...no concrete policies. Shahbaz is just trying to do patch work. HE's not addressing the problem. 
 
In my opinion, i think they're trying to steal from you using loopholes. Its another karz utaro scheme.

Brother, we have asked about it. Some have gone upto the revenue dep and checked. It's legit. People have gone to court and it seems that it is a thing now.

I don't mind taxes I do, however, feel somewhat less enthusiastic when I know this money is going to end up in some corrupt persons pockets unstead of proper welfare of the people.

Anyways, I hope you understand that farmers aren't getting a free ride.

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Btw weren't they in government back when Gen Musharaf was in powe also?

W/salaam

[nuclearpak]

^^WOW.....JUST WOW...there's a famous line by Mark Twain for people like you:

 

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
 

 

http://en.wikipedia....nomy_of_Karachi

 

There's no point arguing with someone who considers being "parha likha"  an insult. 

 

http://www.dailytime...enue-share-teli

 

First two lines from your own linked Wikipedia page.

 

 

Karachi is referred as the financial capital of Pakistan; it accounts for a lion's share of Pakistan's revenue generation. It generates approximately 53.38% of the total collections of the Federal Board of Revenue, out of which 53.33% are customs duty and sales tax on imports.

 

 

Anybody with even a pea sized brain could understand that since Karachi is the ONLY established source of import in Pakistan, this is where all the custom is going to come from. Hence the majority of the revenue is from customs.

[Metanoia]

Both of you, @blueazure and @worldpower, are totally cocking up different elements altogether.

 

Karachi generates 25% of the total national GDP and it generates 70% of the total national income tax revenue and 54% of total central government tax revenue.

Apart from all this Karachi has the honour of having 30% of the total industrial output of the country.

 

These are four interconnected but distinct elements.
 

^^ oh yes ofc, the parha likhas aka the chosen ones are the only  who have been enlightended with the light of education, rest of this country is jahil , ganwarr, caveman mullahs ,, 

 

mr parha likha , your own wikipedia link says 

 

http://en.wikipedia....nomy_of_Karachi

 

out goes the 65percent myth,,,   

 

just in case you or your parha likha friends decide to edit the wiki entry, here 's a screen shot ive saved for reference 

 

http://tinypic.com/r/4t4uw9/8

 

 

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now please , get back to topic 

[noxiouspython]

Aoa

I.. Honest question: If PPP wasn't letting MQM gwt the legislation passed how is that the fault of the Punjabis?

W/salaam

[Metanoia]

The guy is just die hard pro-MQM supporter...haqeeqat yeh hai kay from A to Z sab ghunday hai Karachi mein...ek sey ek pagal.

 

Whether it is the MQM, PPP, ANP or the JI. All these mentioned entities have militant wings, all these mentioned entities regularly make use of freelance target/contract killers and all these mentioned entities have gangs under their respective patronage.

 

There is an extreme schism in Karachi....MQM represents the urdu-speaking "bhai"....PPP represents the Sindhi and Balochi gangsters and ANP represents the transport mafia and the pushtoon gangs. It's all about land grabbing and resource grabbing along the ethnic lines...it's all about the money and the power that comes with it....thats it. Koi rocket science nahi hai.

Army has also been a steady contributor to the issue; the biggest land grabbing mafia in Karachi  

 

Frankly speaking nobody really cares about Karachi...uskay rehaishi khud dil sey izzat nahi kartay shehr ki. Everyone is to be blamed for the ills of this city.

[worldpower]

^^ oh yes ofc, the parha likhas aka the chosen ones are the only  who have been enlightended with the light of education, rest of this country is jahil , ganwarr, caveman mullahs ,, 

 

mr parha likha , your own wikipedia link says 

 

http://en.wikipedia....nomy_of_Karachi

 

out goes the 65percent myth,,,   

 

just in case you or your parha likha friends decide to edit the wiki entry, here 's a screen shot ive saved for reference 

 

http://tinypic.com/r/4t4uw9/8

 

 

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now please , get back to topic 

 

If you're calling yourself jahil and ganwar...those are your words   

 

Thanks Metaoina for giving me a better number. 70% of TOTAL NATIONAL INCOME TAX REVENUE provided by Karachi!!!!!  HALF OF ALL CENTRAL GOVT TAX Revenue!! 

 

ALL THIS BY ONLY by ONE CITY!! LESS than 10% of the POPULATION!!!

 

 

AND OFCOURSE ITS BY TAX and CUSTOMS...HOW ELSE would the government make money?? 

 

 

What does Karachi get in RETURN????

 

You know what the world calls people like you?

 

FREELOADERS 

[worldpower]

Aoa


Brother, we have asked about it. Some have gone upto the revenue dep and checked. It's legit. People have gone to court and it seems that it is a thing now.

I don't mind taxes I do, however, feel somewhat less enthusiastic when I know this money is going to end up in some corrupt persons pockets unstead of proper welfare of the people.

Anyways, I hope you understand that farmers aren't getting a free ride.

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Btw weren't they in government back when Gen Musharaf was in powe also?

W/salaam

 

YEs they were, and they were finally provided with some authority and funding...

 

We all remember the development and progress and PEACE back then. 

 

I'm no supporter of MQM, but give credit where its due.

 

Mustafa Kamal came from what party?

 

Major credit goes to Musharraf who made sure the MQM did its work as well. 

[noxiouspython]

Aoa

Who is to blame for this state of Karachi?

What is the solution.

W/salaam

[worldpower]

I dont give a #### about MQM. But as a Karachiite, i understand why they are voted in to power.

 

Metanoia: Your statement generalizing all Karachiites just proves my point further. Just like overall population in Punjab you displayed a  general state of denial and dismissal when it comes to issues of other ethnic groups. A total dismissal of the neglect Karachi and Karachiites have gone through by the Punjabi dominated bureaucracy. The same neglect that the Bangladeshis saw and the Balochis are seeing as well. One would have thought 1971 would have knocked some sense in the population. But the real fact is that the Punjabi population quietly celebrate the secession of East Pakistan because it gave them full majority of the remaining portion of the country. 

 

Tell you what. If Punjab and Nawaz Sharif tomorrow decided to use his majority in parliament to pass sweeping FEDERAL laws requiring all provinces to have Local Body Governments and distributed wealth accordingly...the MQM would dissappear. I guarantee it. 

[Metanoia]

I am not generalizing bhai.....what I am trying to say is that each and every hardworking, intellectual and honest Karachite has been let down by the establishment and their local representative.....

The fault doesn't just lie with one entity.

[worldpower]

Aoa

Who is to blame for this state of Karachi?

What is the solution.

W/salaam

 

The issue in Karachi is a result of YEARS of neglect, discrimination, ethnic politics starting all the way from when Ayub Khan took over. Its not a simple issue to solve. 

 

But we can start with the basics. 

 

1. Give Karachi autonomy...free it from the chains of Sindhi VADERAS that dont care for even their own people. Go back to the local body system we had under Musharraf. Have a Mayor that represents Karachi! Like Syed Mustafa Kamal did. 

 

2. Give Karachi its OWN police force! Karachi police are currently made up of external postings from outside the city! Majority from outside Karachi and outside Sindh! Does that make any sense to you? Do you think an external posting officer would be concerned about law and order or making money and then going back to his own town or city.  And have them answerable to the Mayor of Karachi not some Sindhi Vadera CM! Every MAJOR city in the world has its own police force under CITY control. 

 

3. Repeal the QUOTA system! That in itself is a RACIST, DISCRIMINATORY, UNISLAMIC LAW that destroys the concept of MERIT! Its the sole reason why jobs and university seats are given only on PARTY/ETHNIC basis. Neither MQM or PPP should be allowed to fill jobs based on party affiliation!

 

4. Give Karachi its due share. Come on! This one should be common sense. One city providing HALF OR MORE of tax revenues of the ENTIRE country and only receives less than 3% in return??? What kind of Justice is that?!  On top of that Ganjoo just cancelled all 11 major development projects in Karachi.  OH i forgot he's allowing for UNTESTED NUCLEAR POWER PLANT DESIGNS TO BE BUILT IN KARACHI.    

 

 Do the above...I guarantee that the people of Karachi will stop supporting the MQM. They will be un needed. 

 

But I can only dream right?

[noxiouspython]

Aoa

You think the PPP didn't allow the proposals for Karachi because of yhe Punjabi bureaucracy or for resons relating to regional politics?

What about when they were in power in General Musharaf's time?

W/salaam

[noxiouspython]

Aoa

Didn't the previous government increase the funding for provinces?

W/salaam

[noxiouspython]

Aoa

Also, brother, don't you think Karachi receives other goods from the rest of the country? Many goods, such as poultry, dairy, meet etc come from the rest of the country, but these products and many countless more are not taxed from where they originate but where they are consumed or not taxed at all. That does not mean that the rest of the population isn't contributing.

Again do you think PPP is Punjabi or Sindhi lead party?

W/salaam

[worldpower]

Brother, 

 

These goods that you speak of, are they being given to Karachi for free??? No they are bought and paid for by Karachiites. Karachi is a huge market for Punjab, so please dont think the rest of Pakistan is doing Karachi a favor by SELLING their agricultural products.

They could easily just as easily import them from somewhere else (ie. like Dubai imports). No offense friend but the comparison is nonsensical.

 

As far as the issue of Sindhis not giving rights to the Urban Urdu speakers, yes its an issue of regional Politics. But does the rest of Pakistan not take money from Karachi?? Does the rest of Pakistan not use Karachi's port and infrastructure??

 

If the answer is yes and then and then the rest of Pakistan ignores the blatant injustice done by Sindhi vaderas, then isn't the Punjab and the rest of Pakistan also not to blame as well?  Is Nawaz Sharif the Prime Minister of Punjab or Pakistan? Does he not see the injustice how wealth is being distributed in Sindh?

If the SIndhi vaderas are committing injustice...who else can Karachiites turn to??

 

And if the rest of Pakistan ie Punjab included allow for this injustice are they not also part of the crime?? 

 

So its ok for the Rest of Pakistan to USE and ABUSE Karachi....but when Karachi wants its due share they are left at the mercy of Vaderas and dismissed as a regional issue??

 

 

Yes Musharraf's time was better...because he brought the right people in provincial governments in Sindh and forced them to give the RIGHTFUL share of Karachi to it. 

 

That is the reality. 

[worldpower]

PPP comes in to power only when they win a sizeable majority in Sindh and Punjab...otherwise their base is in Sindh. 

 

But thats the problem:

 

When East Pakistani Bengalis won the National Election fair and square, who did the Punjabis vote for? They voted for the Bhutto, the man they knew wouldn't give the Bengalis THEIR RIGHTFUL victory. THey supported Bhutto when he said his INfamous words "Tum udher hum idher". Then Bhutto and the Punjab run bureaucracy fully supported a military OPERATION in EAST Pakistan killing your own Pakistanis! For what crime?? 

And the discrimination the Majority Bengali nation faced by West Pakistan is well documented. 

 

Bhutto should have been hanged for treason back in 1970 for refusing to recognize the Bengalis rightful victory.

 

Punjab  needs to learn from the wrong they've committed and show some justice to the other provinces. Allah doesn't let injustice continue for long. 

[worldpower]

Aoa


Brother, we have asked about it. Some have gone upto the revenue dep and checked. It's legit. People have gone to court and it seems that it is a thing now.

I don't mind taxes I do, however, feel somewhat less enthusiastic when I know this money is going to end up in some corrupt persons pockets unstead of proper welfare of the people.

Anyways, I hope you understand that farmers aren't getting a free ride.

----

Btw weren't they in government back when Gen Musharaf was in powe also?

W/salaam

 

 

My friend...as long as there is no clear law...its no law at all. As far as I know...officially there is no FEDERAL TAX  on Agriculture and only a small negligible tax in Punjab.

 

Imagine that...a tiny tax on our biggest source of income.  How is that fair?

 

The end result is the same....the biggest most populace supposedly most productive province in Pakistan pays less tax than ONE CITY. 

 

How is that fair?

[Dizasta]

 

 

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Tell me something ..... what was the fundamental principle on the struggle for Pakistan was waged on? Was to have a country just because we didn't like the British leaving our lands? Or was it because hindus were simply too unhygienic for our liking? 

 

Keep your ignorance to yourself, because you really are an ignorant fool to believe anything other than that, the struggle waged to create Pakistan was entirely based on the principle of ISLAM. And if you don't know that, then you really ought to shut up and go live in the west somewhere.

 

Islam is where Pakistan starts and there is no Pakistan without Islam. And it is the Islam of Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam, not the illiterate mullahs of today. As a Muslim, this is your first and only identity with which you have the right to call yourself Pakistani (non-Muslims are Pakistani too, but they are minority, whose welfare is cared for).

 

As for your being offended about your righteousness being questioned. Only one who takes offense to this, is one who has hidden skeletons within. Question anyone who is anti-Pakistan, who is anti-Islam, who is anti-Prophet Muhammad Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam. This is our God given RIGHT as Pakistanis, as this is our land, our people, our freedom and our identity at stake. And if you don't like it, then go buzz off to your yuppie yank friends in New York.

 

As for the "whole point" of the debate ....... there was no debate here, it was a mudslinging, slur hurling, shameful display of unpatriotic behavior. When one starts saying that Punjab, or Baluchistan, or Pukhtunkhwa or Gilget-Baltistan, or Sindh is/are more important than the other four provinces. Then it is not a debate! And if you cannot see this, then you really ought to go the doctor and get your eye-sight checked. That's what I make of your "whole point"!

 

Oh .... so you wanna lecture me about Islam now? What is it exactly you want to discuss about Karachi? The fact that it is being fought over by a bunch of inbred, traitor, self-serving, racist scum? Is that what you are trying to say? Well, yes of course there is injustice in Karachi. Heck there is injustice in Pakistan all over. And what do you, Mr. Righteous propose we do about it??? Have a mudslinging ethnicity contest all over Pakistan?\

 

60%, or 3% or whatever the hell it is you say, is meaningless. Because it YOU who is missing the WHOLE POINT. We have to bring together unity, cohesion, discipline, organization, intelligence-core and planning within the core of the Pakistani Nation. And you can try and fail over and over again, but you won't achieve it without the Sunnah of Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam. You can have PHd, and yet you won't be able to fix Pakistan's troubles. Not unless, with the PHd, you have Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam Sunnah and the wisdom of the Holy Qur'an.

 

Maybe you are a drifter on this forum, because you obviously are not aware of the principles that I stand for. More than I hate hindustanis, I hate that my fellow countrymen fight amongst one another. Be you from Karachi, Punjab, Baluchistan, Pukhtunkhwa, Gilget-Baltistan or Sindh. All are my brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers ......... none is above the other. This is because my beloved Prophet (Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam) taught us this. So do yourself a favor and stop informing me about the discrimination against the people of Karachi, as they are my fellow countrymen, my brothers & sisters too. 

 

As for the Mullahs of Pakistan, at least the present ones, are nothing more than a bunch of senseless fools whose level of acumen is comparable to a chimpanzee. They blindly dive into politics, without the full knowledge of Islam and they are left dumbfounded when confronted with zionist-west's sinister accusations and assaults on Islam. These Pakistani Mullahs, just like the ones in Iran, Jazeerat-ul-Arab (I call Arabia by it's real name, it does not belong to the saudi-illiterates), Eygpt, or anywhere else in the Islamic World. So you don't need to tell me about them, they are a disgrace to the scholarship of Islam. 

 

Buddy, why do you think I was stern with my words against such unpatriotic behavior? This is exactly the reason why, this sort of behavior will not enable us to resolve the major issues we face with our country and our people. You want to discuss the issues, do so without personal, ethnic or demeaning remarks. Intelligent, staunch Muslims, do resolve matters by focusing on the problem, not hurling slurs and abuses at each other's person, ethnicity or faith. The absence of this, is the reason why we Pakistanis are still in a state of chaos, anarchy, division and turmoil. Do it with peaceful means, intelligent and rational approach. You can achieve this, if you behaved civilized and which is exactly the Sunnah of Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam.  

[Dizasta]

The issue with Karachi, is the strangle hold of the many non-domicile groups representing their agenda that stems from their home-domicile. If you are a Karachi resident, then your domicile is.

 

I believe in terms of long term strategic planning, with immediate term issues being resolved by solutions that the long term strategic planning dove-tail from. With Karachi, the solution lies in City-Government model, but with modifications to suit Karachi as the biggest city of Pakistan. Where the City-Government of Karachi would take back a share of taxes and custom-duties, which would flow straight into the City-Government's fiscal-budget. In terms of autonomy, only a Karachi by birth, should be under the employment of City-Government. This would enable the people of Karachi, to be represented from within the community. Same should go with the Mayor of Karachi. But of primary importance, should be the fact that any element which emerges with anti-Pakistan sentiment. Should be prosecuted by the Court of Law, with extreme prejudice.

 

In terms of long-term strategic planning, Pakistan has a dire and urgent need to develop port cities that would eventually grow to the strength, size and financial importance of Karachi. Port-Cities should be invested in and developed on a model, where infrastructure and logistics are robust and all the necessary steps would be taken to ensure that no longer would another chaotic, anarchist type of environment takes form, like it has in Karachi. Also, with other port-cities like Ormara, Gwadar and Pasni emerge and expand. It would relieve Karachi of the burden it has been carrying for the past 67 years, as the only port-city metropolis of Pakistan. And another benefit which would emerge, is the multiple port-city/metropolis would bring in a surge of development of Baluchistan. With economic prosperity not only for the Province, but also for Pakistan itself. 

 

Economic prosperity in Baluchistan would lead to stability and further development of the province. Provided, that ethnic-nepotism and feudalism is crushed out of existence. Greed and vanity are the parents of traitors, which have to be destroyed before they give birth to traitors. Locals, as with Karachi, so to with Baluchistan. Are to be given the right by law, to participate and earn in the development and the subsequent prosperity of their provinces and cities. If every Pakistani could be permitted by the system, to contribute, work-hard for their city/province's development. Then everyone of those Pakistanis have the right by law, to reap the benefits of their hard-work. 

[blueazure]

mr world power is a  deluded fool who is living in gagaland, 

 

karachi is home to 20 million souls, given Pakistan's population of around 175million, thats more than 10percent . karachi is the only port in this unfortunate country and hence collects massive tax revenues in the form of customs and duties,

 

if mr world power aka parha likha thinks that 'collection' of tax revenue is a feat, then i can only cry on this intellect

 

rest he has proven himself that karachi industrial output ( the actual revenue ) is ONLY 20 percent of the total gdp and that too is shrinking given the efflux of business elite to punjab thanks to the parhey likhoon ki party, need i say more ? 

[Skull-Buster]

Majority of revenue generated in Karachi comes from customs duties, which is only due to the ports in Karachi. It doesnt mean the revenue was generated by businesses operating in Karachi. For instance if a company in Punjab imports machinery, it will be shipped to Karachi and the customs duties will be paid at there before goods can enter the country. Thus the 60 or 65 or whatever percent revenue people talk about is generated in Karachi, but not by Karachi, but by all of Pakistan.

[Gallant]

Lo jee. First we had ganjoo pr team aka mr gallant, now parha likhas have started crying as well..

This nation is screwed

 

 

LOL!!! Man I a not Ganjoo's PR team. It is your who thinks that I way, not even once have I called him by his real name 'NS'. I keep calling him 'Ganjoo which is a term coined by me as everyone else before that on PDF used to call him 'Ganja'

 

And dont feel left out, you are also welcome to join in as Army general's pithoo and defend Allah mian muqadas gaiye (sacred cow) that is a the Army generals. The propertry dealers in uniform are too busy buying 8 canal plots, drinking whiskey, playing golf and constructing plazas with money from USAid and kickbacks from defence deals. While Pakistani citizens are at the mercy of drone attacks. Which brings us back to how you still havent answered me on this:

 

(2) Just read this:

 

http://www.bbc.com/n...d-asia-24649840

 

In 2010 the controversial whistleblowing site Wikileaks released numerous documents relating to Pakistan which showed the Pakistani military and other arms of the government had "quietly acquiesced" with drone strikes even though they had publicly condemned them.

 

 

And now you are going to play the 'BBC and CNN never tell the truth about Pakistan' card

[blueazure]

Mr gallant aka ganjoo sympathiser aka ttp sympathiser is living in a cave. Hes pissed that the army refused him commission so he couldn't sip booze. Live in 8 canal houses and become a billionaire.

Mate , please . Get a life. Get a lady. Dont take your own failings out on this board ! All your posts come down to the same verbal dirrahea and lack no substance. Spare us the horse manure !

[Gallant]

Worldpower

 

" It has been KARACHI (yes thats right, ONE CITY), for the past 65+ years that has provided MORE than 60% of revenues for the government. It has been Karachi that was the most literate and Karachiites who helped Pakistan prosper ESPECIALLY back in the days when things were based on MERIT. Unfortunately the Rural Sindhi's (SINDHI VADERAS and their slaves) who dominate the population have made sure that Karachi will never receive its DUE SHARE and AUTHORITY.  Karachi was only given its rightful attention under Musharraf and we all remember and miss the development of Karachi then. 

 

You can live in your dream world GALLANT, but the STATUS QUO cannot be maintained. The military can handle the western border (like they were doing under Musharraf)  and overthrow GANJOO if he pushes them too much. And Ganjoo knows this. Why do you think Khwaja (sira) Asif shat his pants and apologized to them during the recent arguments? Either that or some form of political alliance will gain popularity against the unjust policies "

 

One thing is for sure. The current system will change. It is only a matter of time'. 

Actually it has already changed, Pakistan for 1st time in history has had a 5 yrs complete govt (whether good or bad) and 5 more years needed to bring socio-economic stability, no more interference and coups.

 

Firstly, in your English essay-like post what you have written is all a matter of have been, has been, what was and used to be. We need to stop gloating over what Karachi used to be. As currently is in a state of turmoil where everyone is eating bombs and bullets for breakfast. Shatters the investors confidence when they dont know if they will come back home in one piece. Compared to Punjab which is still relatively more peaceful. Going ahead with production and infrastructure development despite Ganjoo looting, assault of property dealers in uniform and Ghaddari.

 

Secondly, just like you, I also hope army vaporises all the scumbags along Western border. Rest assured property Dealers in Uniform (Army higher echelon) is not going to remove Ganjoo because they canot afford another front opening up. They cannot afford another misadventure and infact it is Army Ex-genral Busharraf who just got removed and is awating his outcome. And dont even get me started on homeless and stateless Busharraf whose fruits we are still enjoying to this day. His best future is to somehow escape Pakistan and end-up working  in Chicago at Halal Meat & grocery store, with apron around his waist and working near his son.

 

Dont worry about Khawja Asif Sira, worry more about what Gen Raheel had to say about how he 'vows to preserve dignity of the army'

http://tribune.com.p...-armys-dignity/

 

Let me translate the word 'dignity' in Urdu for you, it means ghairat. So they are busy tryiing to clean up their dirty laundry. The bad reputition they have earned over the few recent years. My friend everyone has got work to do, Ghaddari, Ganjoo and the Army. Best not to interfere in eachother's matters and clean up their own mess.

 

Frankly, Army needs to get its priorities right, whether they need to fast replace the flying coffin Mirages with cracked airframes, costing precious pilot lives OR they want another ousting of Ganjoo who btw is safe and sound for next 5 years. Mirages are from an era when dinosaurs were alive, wheel was just invented and fire had just been discovered!

[Gallant]

Mr gallant aka ganjoo sympathiser aka ttp sympathiser is living in a cave. Hes pissed that the army refused him commission so he couldn't sip booze. Live in 8 canal houses and become a billionaire.

Mate , please . Get a life. Get a lady. Dont take your own failings out on this board ! All your posts come down to the same verbal dirrahea and lack no substance. Spare us the horse manure !

 

 

You still have'nt answered my question, the clock is still ticking. Like this -----> tick *  tock * tick * tock. 

[worldpower]

Majority of revenue generated in Karachi comes from customs duties, which is only due to the ports in Karachi. It doesnt mean the revenue was generated by businesses operating in Karachi. For instance if a company in Punjab imports machinery, it will be shipped to Karachi and the customs duties will be paid at there before goods can enter the country. Thus the 60 or 65 or whatever percent revenue people talk about is generated in Karachi, but not by Karachi, but by all of Pakistan.

 

That in itself is a contradictory statement.

 

The fact that Karachi port being used to export or import whatever item for whatever part of the country is a SERVICE. The world economy does not only consist of manufacturing or agriculture sectors only. There is something called the SERVICE ECONOMY which is a REVENUE GENERATOR. This revenue is generated EXCLUSIVELY BY Karachi as it is a port through which these items are brought in or exported. 

 

If Pakistan was a landlocked country this service charge would come from another transit country.

 

Please stop trying to deny the importance of Karachi. 

[Skull-Buster]

 

That in itself is a contradictory statement.

 

The fact that Karachi port being used to export or import whatever item for whatever part of the country is a SERVICE. The world economy does not only consist of manufacturing or agriculture sectors only. There is something called the SERVICE ECONOMY which is a REVENUE GENERATOR. This revenue is generated EXCLUSIVELY BY Karachi as it is a port through which these items are brought in or exported. 

 

If Pakistan was a landlocked country this service charge would come from another transit country.

 

Please stop trying to deny the importance of Karachi. 

 

It is only contradictory to you.

 

The "service" which you talk about is not provided by Karachi ports for free, all of Pakistan pays port handling charges and customs duties for goods which they import. Majority of that revenue generated in Karachi via its ports is generated because of businesses outside of Karachi.

 

The biggest mistake consecutive Pakistani rulers have done is not develop any alternative port city. Only recently we have seen Gwadar being developed but it has come too late, because it allowed the MQM mafia to hold the country's trade hostage whenever they want, and play the 60% revenue card when in reality most of that revenue comes from businesses outside Karachi.

[Skull-Buster]

Karachi actually contributes only 25% of the national revenue (ingenious contribution) .

 

You can check it out in the executive summary or page 4 of this report by the Asian Development Bank.

 

http://www2.adb.org/...05-PAK-DPTA.pdf