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[must7]

I agree with PZ, Saira and Derwaish's views.
Atleast now I can clearly id the baighairats on this forum.
I can't find words to express my anger.

Yahaan ghairti or begharti ki baat nahi ho rahi, it like the saying goes "In a bush fire, with the dead the green too burns" ..

While we are saying that we should pressurize everyone, but otherwise are into name calling & abusiveness and we are ready to understand due to the sensitiveness of the subject, but is everybody ready to understand !

[pakistanzindabaad]

Salim bhayi,

She is Pakistani... Pakistan has formally requested that they get consular access to her...

Abb kia khialaat hain aap kay???

I find it extremely low that anyone can stoop to calling such names to patriotic women such as Shireen Mazari in Pakistan... Shireen Mazari is a much more patriotic lady than you can ever be;and has done alot more for Pakistan than you ever can...

And frankly I unbanned you at IE's recommendation... Get a clue and learn from that experience... No one here will tolerate your insinuations in conection to such women...

[Tarbela]

A very long and detailed article.........

Did Aafia Siddiqui smuggle gems for Al Qaeda?

By Khalid Hasan

WASHINGTON: Aafia Siddiqui, who is to be arraigned in a federal court on Monday for a bail hearing, was the subject of a detailed report filed by this correspondent and published in Daily Times on November 11, 2004. That report is being reproduced below to give readers a wider perspective on what remains a perplexing case.

Aafia Siddiqi, the highly qualified 29-year old Pakistani cognitive neuroscientist wanted by the FBI for her alleged membership of Al Qaeda, once flew from Quetta to Monrovia, Liberia’s capital, on a gem-smuggling assignment.

According to a detailed profile published by a Boston magazine, until the FBI called her a terrorist, she was living a “normal” life in Boston with her children and her doctor husband. In reality, the article by Katherine Ozment says, she was a “high-profile Al Qaeda operative”.

She often travelled to Monrovia on her secret missions and would be driven to Hotel Boulevard, where other Al Qaeda figures had stayed, and “taken good care of until the deal was done”. The man who would drive her from the airport to the hotel, a 60-minute drive, would later become the chief informant in a United Nations-led investigation. He described her as a quiet woman who wore a traditional headscarf and kept mostly to herself. She spent the week holed up in her room, making trips into town for small errands.

On one of her trips to Monrovia in June 2001, she left as quietly as she had entered, but with a large parcel containing gems from Africa’s illegal diamond trade. They would be used as a convenient, hard-to-trace way of funding Al Qaeda’s global terror operations. She was not seen again in Monrovia, but earlier this year, one of the men who had seen her in Liberia noticed a photograph of her and recognised the person.

At a news conference in May this year, US Attorney General John Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller announced that the FBI was looking for seven people with suspected ties to Al Qaeda. MIT graduate and former Boston resident Aafia Siddiqui was the only woman on the list. After her photos appeared on television, the informant picked up the phone and dialled investigators at the Special Court for Sierra Leone, which is examining Africa’s illegal diamond trade. The informant was convinced that the woman in the photographs was the woman who had come to Liberia.

Her family denies she was ever in Liberia, with her family’s attorney, Elaine Whitfield insisting, “Aafia Siddiqui was here in June 2001. And I can prove it.” If she can prove Siddiqui wasn’t in Liberia that week, she’ll damage one of the most puzzling cases of alleged terrorism to emerge from 9/11. The claim that Siddiqui was involved in diamond trading is another in a series of sometimes surprising, sometimes vague accusations by government officials. In Siddiqui’s case, the allegations have been further clouded by the often inaccurate, even hyperbolic descriptions of her by the media, says the article.

“To those who knew her, Aafia Siddiqui was a kind, quiet woman living the normal life of a Pakistani expat in Boston. To the FBI, which displayed her photograph at that press conference in May, she was a suspected terrorist with ties to a chief mastermind of 9/11 - and the knowledge, skills, and intention to continue Al Qaeda’s terror war in the United States and abroad. Could one woman embody such diametrically opposed identities? Who is the real Aafia Siddiqui? And where has she gone?” the writer asks.

Born in Karachi on March 2, 1972, Aafia was one of three children of Mohammad Siddiqui, a doctor trained in England, and Ismet, a homemaker. Mohammed, Aafia’s brother, is an architect living in Houston with his wife, a paediatrician, and their children. Fowzia, Aafia’s sister, is a Harvard-trained neurologist who was working at Sinai Hospital in Baltimore until she decided to go back to Pakistan. Aafia was a graduate of MIT. She moved to Texas in 1990 to be near her brother and had good enough grades after spending a year at the University of Houston to transfer to MIT. Siddiqui’s fellow students say she was a quiet, studious woman who was devout in her religious beliefs but not a fundamentalist. She often wore a headscarf but didn’t cover her face.

While at MIT, Siddiqui apparently joined an association for Muslim students. She wrote three guides for members who wanted to teach other about Islam. On the group’s website, Siddiqui explained how to run a daw’ah table, an informational booth used at school events to educate people about, and persuade them to convert to, Islam. Other references, however, reveal a passion for Islam that could be called hardline. In one of her pamphlets, she wrote, “May Allah give this strength and sincerity to us so that our humble effort continues, and expands until America becomes a Muslim land.”

Her husband Amjad Khan turns out to have been more fundamentalist in his religious beliefs than her and wanted to return to Pakistan to raise the children in an “Islamic” way while Aafia wanted to stay in America. Hasan Abbas, now a visiting scholar at Harvard Law School and the author of the recently published ‘Pakistan’s Drift into Extremism’, remembers the story of the couple’s marital troubles differently.

He was told she was more extreme in her views than her husband. Siddiqui ordered the Quran and other Islamic books to be distributed to prisons and on school campuses. Boxes of them would arrive at the local mosque, and she would come pick them up. Siddiqui’s missionary work stemmed from her belief that it was her duty to bolster the Muslim community around her. “She was always very frustrated here that Muslims were not addressing the needs of their community,” says a woman who was a student of Siddiqui’s, adding, “She said we needed to be doing more to help our people and that we needed to address the needs of the community.” She says Siddiqui wanted her husband to use his medical skills to help the less fortunate.

In July 2001, two Saudi nationals, Abdullah Al Reshood and Hatem Al Dhahri, took over Khan and Siddiqui’s lease when the couple decided to move. During that time, Al Reshood received a $20,000 wire transfer from the Saudi government. The money, a Saudi official later explained, was sent by the Saudi government to Al Reshood to pay for medical treatment for his wife.

Siddiqui and her husband were by now being watched by the FBI for having used a debit card to buy night-vision goggles, body armour, and military manuals from American websites, and for donating to charities the FBI watches closely. When questioned, Khan told authorities he had purchased the military items for big-game hunting in Pakistan, saying goggles and armour weren’t available there. Siddiqui, who was questioned only incidentally, was quickly released.

Shortly after that, citing the difficulty of living as Muslims in the United States after 9/11, the couple returned to Pakistan. They stayed in Pakistan for a short time, and then returned to the United States. They remained here until 2002, and then moved back to Pakistan. The tension between the couple had continued to grow and finally reached breaking point in August 2002. Siddiqui was eight months pregnant with their third child, and she and Khan were now estranged. She and the children stayed at her mother’s house, while Khan lived elsewhere in Karachi.

One day, Khan came over to Aafia’s parents’ house bearing a letter explaining that he was going to divorce Siddiqui. He started reading the letter, and a heated argument began between Khan and Siddiqui’s parents. The fight was too much for Siddiqui’s father who had a heart attack and died. Within weeks, Siddiqui gave birth to a son. Siddiqui stayed at her mother’s house for the rest of the year, returning to the United States without her children around December 2002 to look for a job in the Baltimore area, where her sister had begun working at Sinai Hospital.

The real purpose of her trip, the FBI suspects, was to open a post office box for Majid Khan, a purported Al Qaeda operative who allegedly had plans to blow up gas stations and fuel tanks in the Baltimore-Washington area. Siddiqui’s family contends that her trip to Baltimore was for the sole purpose of finding a job, and that if she did open a post office box, it was for the replies she hoped to get.

According to the article, “Months later, the FBI would make its most devastating claim against Siddiqui. It was still dark on the morning of March 1, 2003, when Pakistani authorities arrested Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, a known September 11 mastermind, at a Karachi safe house. The arrest made news around the world. It also presaged the extraordinary vanishing act of Aafia Siddiqui and her three small children. It seems Khalid Sheikh Mohammed gave up Aafia’s name as being a major Al Qaeda operative.”

However, one of her defenders says Siddiqui’s identity was likely stolen. “Aafia was, I think, probably a pretty naive and trusting person and my guess is it would be pretty easy for somebody who wanted to steal an identity to just steal it.” About a month after his capture in the spring of 2003, she disappeared. The last her mother remembers, Siddiqui was piling herself and her children, then seven, five, and six months old, into a taxi headed to the railway station, the first step of what she said was her planned trip to visit an uncle in Islamabad. Her mother said goodbye to her daughter and grandchildren - and hasn’t seen them since.

“What happened to Aafia Siddiqui and her children that day is anyone’s guess. Siddiqui’s mother, Ismet, claims that a few days after Siddiqui’s disappearance, a man on a motorcycle arrived at her house in a leather suit and helmet and told her Aafia was being held and that she should keep quiet if she ever wanted to see her daughter and grandchildren again. A report in the Pakistani Urdu press said that Siddiqui and her kids had been seen being picked up by Pakistani authorities and taken into custody. Even a spokesman for Pakistan’s Interior Ministry and two unnamed US officials confirmed this in the press.

Several days later, however, Pakistani and American officials mysteriously backtracked, saying it was unlikely that Siddiqui was in custody. Ismet, hysterical, decided to board a plane to the United States in an attempt to find her daughter. When official-looking men greeted her at JFK Airport in New York, she thought they were there to help her find her daughter,” according to the article. Siddiqui’s sister Fowzia picked up Ismet and took her back to Baltimore. There was a knock at the door. It was the FBI serving a subpoena for Ismet Siddiqui to come to Boston to testify before a grand jury.

In the days after Ismet was served the subpoena, she, Fowzia, and her son Mohammed all spoke at length with agents from the FBI and US Attorney’s Office. Aafia Siddiqui had been missing for more than a year when the FBI put her photographs on its website. It was May 26, and Ashcroft and Mueller told the press that Siddiqui was an Al Qaeda facilitator.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?p...8-8-2008_pg7_11

[Jahan]

“What happened to Aafia Siddiqui and her children that day is anyone’s guess. Siddiqui’s mother, Ismet, claims that a few days after Siddiqui’s disappearance, a man on a motorcycle arrived at her house in a leather suit and helmet and told her Aafia was being held and that she should keep quiet if she ever wanted to see her daughter and grandchildren again. A report in the Pakistani Urdu press said that Siddiqui and her kids had been seen being picked up by Pakistani authorities and taken into custody. Even a spokesman for Pakistan’s Interior Ministry and two unnamed US officials confirmed this in the press.

Salim:

1. She was a Pakistani.

2. She was a Muslims.

If one or the other were true, no matter what, there is no justifcation to hand her over to Americans given their previous track record in Basra and Guantanamo Bay.

[saleemraja]

Which ######*ing agency would do such a dispicable thing? They need to be brought to account even if Mushy needs to be sacked. The dirty mf zion agents need to be locked up.

Fact: She was picked up in Karachi by Pakistani Intelligence Officers in 2003

Fact: She was handed over to the US authorities by the Baighairut Pakistani intelligence agencies to be taken to Afghanistan

Fact: The Pakistani Government knew about her fate yet kept quiet for 5 years.
The shameless bastards who handed her over and profess to have done so much for Pakistan deserve a fate worse then death. Musharraf is Directly responsible for this as it happened on his watch as he bent over backwards to allow the US access to these missing people without establishing their guilt or paying attention to the conditions they were going to be kept under when in custody. These 180 odd "missing people" had families just like you and me and were not pieces of meat who just disappeared one day. Perhaps they were guilty, if so they should have been punished according to law but this kind of barbarism is unacceptable. PML-Q and the Hypocrites  of the MMA are equally responsible for being part of this travesty.

The current set up of thieves (read PPP/PML-N) is no better. We can hardly hope these sell outs to stand up for this Pakistani woman. We must learn to accept our fate. Lets not talk about competing with India because we cannot even protect our own on our very own soil. Lets just cower and hide in our holes because sooner or later it will be our turn to be on the receiving end.

[saleemraja]

I correct you, Pakistan was supporting the zions before 9/11.

As I have said before, one should never expect US to be angels......what is more saddening their torture is the fact that some officers in Pakistan kidnapped her and handed her over to the US, and threatened her mother against speaking on the case.............

Ideally such prisoners would have been rescued Mossad style by the ISI while they were in Afghanistan,.....but maybe it wouldnt have been possible.

After 9/11, Pakistan had to withdraw support for Taleban as US would have definitely bombed otherwise. However, were such kidnappings really necessary? Would the US have bombed Pakistan if they didnt hand such prisoners over before having a trial inside Pakistan?

There are plenty of people in Muslim world who think in lines of "come on, how would it harm us if we sell a few jahil mullahs for dollars, money is everything etc etc."

[Salim]

Salim bhayi,

She is Pakistani... Pakistan has formally requested that they get consular access to her...

Abb kia khialaat hain aap kay???

I find it extremely low that anyone can stoop to calling such names to patriotic women such as Shireen Mazari in Pakistan... Shireen Mazari is a much more patriotic lady than you can ever be;and has done alot more for Pakistan than you ever can...

And frankly I unbanned you at IE's recommendation... Get a clue and learn from that experience... No one here will tolerate your insinuations in conection to such women...

Pakistanzindabaad Bhayi ... shukriya for letting me know that she is Pakistani National. Is it possible to know that along with Pakistani, if she is also American National?

As for me calling names to Shireen Mazari, I told you that it is result of your wrong interpretation of innocent words, that to me, you assumed to satisfy your own ego.

As for me being less patriotic than Shireen Mazari or anyone, or that if she has done a lot more for Pakistan than me ... how do you know? Have you developed any secret equipment to tell about a person and what that person has done, even from behind computer screen? I think that if you have developed such equipment than it is great discovery, so please get it patented.

Anyhow ... Shireen Mazari you are talking about, is she same Dr Shireen Mazari who was appointed Director General Institute of Strategic Studies by Musharraf government and when great patriotic government of democrats 'HRH Zardari and his Court Jester Nawaz' took over, they sacked this great lady unceremoniously from her post without even serving notice or taking regard of her contract with Pak government (that expires in Aug 2009), and then forced her in humiliating way to get lost from her office within 15 minutes? I am sure that if she is same lady, you would take step to ban both 'HRH Zardari and his Court Jester Nawaz' from posting on your prestigious Kingdom for a week, as government of these two thugs did not only failed to give her respect, but humiliated her in front of her Colleagues and Subordinates in real life (not like me whose disrespect to her is not real but creation of your mind imagination).

Kiya zamana aa giya hay kay ... government of pathetic and lowly dictator like Musharraf values and tolerate hard working patriotic bureaucrat who writes against him whereas government of patriotic and great democrats like ‘HRH Zardari and his Court Jester Nawaz’ sacks such hard working patriotic bureaucrat in humiliating way ... just because that bureaucrat has independent view that upsets American camp. It is really sad, don’t you think?


The News: Jang group
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=112973

Shireen Mazari was asked to leave in 15 minutes
Saturday, May 17, 2008

ISLAMABAD: The Ministry of Foreign Affairs on Thursday once again acted in indecent haste when the DG Administration at the Foreign Office asked Dr Shireen Mazari, the sacked DG Institute of Strategic Studies, to leave in 15 minutes.

"I was taken aback as I needed time to clear up my office and to bid farewell to researchers and the staff at the institute. But I was sent a backdated notification of May 14, stating the termination of my services.

Then I was literally harassed by the Foreign Office, saying I had fifteen minutes to leave the office as my successor Tanvir Ahmed Khan was about to arrive to take over," Mazari told The News.

However, as in the past, the Foreign Office was simply harassing her because the notification of Tanvir's appointment was delivered to the ISSI at around noon, and was sent to Tanvir at his residence much later, former foreign minister Inamul Haq, Chairperson ISSI, told The News.

There was no way that the Foreign Office could possibly have ensured the presence of Tanvir Ahmad Khan in fifteen minutes when he had not even received his orders. Former Foreign Secretary Riaz Mohammad Khan was earlier removed in a similar manner.

But before she quickly left for home and sent the official car back, Dr Shireen Mazari got a call from Hussain Haqqani, who landed at Mazari's office with a bouquet, which the angry Mazari left for her successor.

Haqqani apologised that there had been some mix-up, and she should be allowed to stay on for a month as entailed in her contract and that he would speak to the foreign secretary about it. Mazari clearly told him that her sacking was because of her independent views that had upset the US camp, which was dictating to the PPP government.

[saleemraja]

You are very right in your analysis Saira, I think you should ban him for a week. What he wrote was very distasteful and slanderous. He shed all respectabalilty and humanity in maligning a muslim woman who suffered at the hands of the kafirs . A torment that sent a shudder down the spine of the ummah and which blemished the honour of women. Salim is out of line and PZ was correct in pointing that out, and in my view PZ was a bit too diplomatic in his dealing. I think you need to kick his butt.

PZ is in his right to make assumptions because decisions and judgments are based on a personal call which in turn is based on how you perceive things. That responsibility has been given to him by the administrator/owners of this website who entrusted his perception. So your complaint is really off the mark here as the job came with the responsibility of keeping members inline based on his perception/judgment NOT yours.  

Secondly, the remark which you made was not in good taste. To say that how did she get information ..was it because she slept with them is attacking her and indirectly calling her a prostitute. Undermining a female's credibility by suggesting stuff like  this is quiet sexist to begin with. You might not agree with this but then I have never found one member who agreed with his post getting edited. What matter's is if the concerned Mod, in this case PZ thought it was representing. Moderating is not an exact science and until you can convince the Admins to come up with an alternative system you will have to do with judgment calls. Just to put it into perspective I actually agree with PZ on this and think that you were wrong in your comments.

Lastly, you claimed that PZ had made this forum into a Pakistani Bashing forum. What is this ? If not accusing somebody of being Anti - Pakistan. You can play this game of I did not say these exact words all day long but what you implied is pretty clear. You are quick to label and then shout about suppression of freedom. This game can be played both ways and its always a bad idea to play it with a Mod. Unless you can convince the admins of an alternative system of Moderating I would advise you to refrain from personally attacking him. As is he has shown remarkable restraint in letting this conversation proceed.

[pakistanzindabaad]

Salim Bhayi; why are you side tracking the issue to Zardari and NS???

And btw,

"government of pathetic and lowly dictator like Musharraf values and tolerate hard working patriotic bureaucrat who writes against him whereas government of patriotic and great democrats like ‘HRH Zardari and his Court Jester Nawaz’ sacks such hard working patriotic bureaucrat in humiliating way ..."



I think its best that you know the entire context of that incident

http://pakistanidefenceforum.com/index.php...c=76481&hl=

Poora article perhain...

She was removed for making public a deal which would have given the US total access to Pakistan... By doing this; she stopped that deal (I hope)

She was removed by Moshe...

[demonslayer]

You are very right in your analysis Saira, I think you should ban him for a week. What he wrote was very distasteful and slanderous. He shed all respectabalilty and humanity in maligning a muslim woman who suffered at the hands of the kafirs . A torment that sent a shudder down the spine of the ummah and which blemished the honour of women. Salim is out of line and PZ was correct in pointing that out, and in my view PZ was a bit too diplomatic in his dealing. I think you need to kick his butt.

So now people are recommending to the mods to abn other members just because they dont agree with them. This is really pathetic and sad to read now. Other members will certainly find this disconcerting if this starts happening.

[pakistanzindabaad]

Btw, Salim bhayi; Aafia Siddiqui does not hold a green card...

http://www.dawn.com/2008/08/10/top5.htm

Aafia says she is innocent

By Masood Haider

NEW YORK, Aug 9: Aafia Siddiqui, the Pakistani neuroscientist who is being held without bail in New York, has said that she is innocent of the charges made against her by the US authorities, expressing a hope that she will be acquitted following her trial.

Aafia Siddiqui is charged with attempting to kill FBI agents and other US personnel last month in Afghanistan while in US custody.

She told Pakistan’s acting consul general, Saqib Rauf, and Faqir Saeed, a counsellor at the embassy in Washington: “I am confident if there is any justice I will be acquitted.”

The Pakistan embassy officials and Ms Siddiqi’s defence attorney, Gideon Oliver, stayed with her for over two hours, inquiring after her and assuring her of all help. She is being held at the Brooklyn detention centre since last Monday.

Mr Rauf told Dawn he was amazed to see how articulate and clearheaded she was under the circumstances. “She inquired after the health of her mother and the political conditions in Pakistan”, he added.

Mr Rauf said that on the advice of her defence attorney, she could not give details about the whereabouts of her children nor describe her travails while in US custody in Afghanistan.

“But she said that she was surprised at the charges against her and denied them and expected to be exonerated when she has her day in court”, Rauf told Dawn.

[dargay]

if this aafia siddiqi was innocent, she would be walking free like her sister.

[pakistanzindabaad]

If they had any evidence; they would have charged her...

Why all the drama that she was caught a month ago???

Even Osama's driver got 5 years in prison... He may be getting out pretty soon; since he's already been incarcerated for almost that long...

Theres something called "due process"... That means that you get the chance to defend yourself in a court of law...

[pakistanzindabaad]

http://www.dawn.com/2008/08/12/top14.htm

Aafia’s bail hearing postponed till Sept 3

By Masood Haider

NEW YORK, Aug 11: A US federal court on Monday postponed Aafia Siddiqui’s bail hearing till Sept 3.

The judge also ordered immediate medical aid for her, asking US authorities to arrange a physcian to see her within 24 hours. The judge had issued a similar order last week as well but her lawyers claim that she did not get proper medical attention and her wound was getting infected.

Ms Siddiqui was brought to the court on a wheelchair.

Mr Aitzaz Ahsan, a leader of the lawyers’ movement, was also present outside the court.

Earlier, scores of Pakistanis demonstrated outside a federal court house in Manhattan, demanding that Aafia Siddiqui be freed.

US authorities brought Ms Siddiqui, a Pakistani citizen, to New York last week for trial. The authorities claimed that she was captured in Afghanistan on July 17 and taken to a detention centre after she allegedly tried to kill her interrogators.

Ms Siddiqui was brought to the court from the Brooklyn detention centre early Monday morning and consulted her lawyers before the court proceedings.

On Saturday, US authorities allowed two Pakistani diplomats to visit Ms Siddiqui. She is believed to have told the diplomats that she was innocent and requested a copy of the holy Quran, halal food and assurances of a fair trial.

Although US authorities claim that Ms Siddiqui was a fixer for Al Qaeda, so far they have not brought terror charges against her.

According to a US criminal complaint, Ms Siddiqui was caught carrying documents containing recipes for explosives and chemical weapons and describing “various landmarks in the United States, including the New York City”.

The US-educated Pakistani neuroscientist had been missing for years before her sudden appearance in a New York court last week.

Human rights groups designated her a “missing person” while wanted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation put her on its wanted for questioning list.

Her lawyer Elaine Whitfield Sharp, however, claims that Ms Siddiqui has been in US custody since her disappearance from Karachi in 2003.

“We do know she was at Bagram for a long time. It was a long time. According to my client she was there for years and she was held in American custody; her treatment was horrendous,” the lawyer said.

Ms Siddiqui’s claim is contrary to the heavily contested position of the US administration that she was detained in July by Afghan forces while attempting to bomb the compound of the governor of Ghazni. The US has previously denied the presence of female detainees in Bagram and that Ms Siddiqui was ever held there.

Ms Sharp also described Ms Siddiqui’s current condition as “weak” particularly because of the gunshot wound she received during an alleged scuffle with US security personnel. Her lawyers have rejected the US claim, saying that she was too weak to scuffle and snatch a rifle from an army officer, as the authorities claim.

The lawyers claimed that since she was not given proper medical treatment, they fear that her wound became infected. She is extremely weak and had to be wheeled to the court last week as well.

[pakistanzindabaad]

Now they're calling her a treasure trove of information...



http://www.dawn.com/2008/08/13/welcome.htm

Jailed Pakistani scientist Aafia Siddiqui a 'treasure trove' of information WASHINGTON, Aug 13 (AFP): Jailed Pakistani scientist Aafia Siddiqui, charged with trying to murder US officials in Afghanistan, is a “terrorist Mata Hari” and “treasure trove” of information on Al Qaeda, US officials said in a media report Tuesday. “She is the most significant capture in five years,” former CIA agent John Kiriakou told ABC News, adding that she lives up to her reputation as an “alleged terrorist Mata Hari.” Siddiqui, 36, a frail mother of three who graduated with honors from the Massachussetts Institute of Technology, was arrested July 17 in Afghanistan, extradited to New York August 4 and indicted the next day on attempted murder. When she was arrested in Afghanistan, she was in possession of bomb-making instructions, suspicious liquids and, according to ABC, “a one gigabyte digital media storage device” containing emails between terrorist cells. Citing sources involved in the investigation, ABC said Siddiqui was also carrying maps and information concerning potential “targets in New York City that... included the subway, Times Square and the Statute of Liberty.” As well, she carried “documents detailing United States military assets” and detailed chemical, biological and radiological weapon information. The information found on Siddiqui has led government sources to describe her as a potential “treasure trove” of information on terrorist supporters, sympathizers or sleeper cells in the United States and overseas, according to ABC. (Posted @ 10:10 PST)

Doctor examines Aafia Siddiqui NEW YORK, Aug 13 (Reuters): Pakistani scientist Dr. Aafia Siddiqui suspected of links to Al Qaeda and accused of trying to kill U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan was examined by a doctor on Tuesday after complaining of pain from gunshot wounds, her lawyer, Elaine Sharp, said. Siddiqui, 36, was ordered by a judge to receive urgent medical treatment after she appeared in court in a wheelchair and had been held in custody for a week without seeing a doctor. “She was examined for abdominal pain related to gunshot wounds,” Sharp said. The physician's report found no visible signs of infection but ordered a CT scan, according to Sharp, who said her client had stitches down the front of her torso from major surgery. Siddiqui was shot in the abdomen last month when the United States said she tried to fire on a group of American troops who wanted to question her in Afghanistan's Ghazni province. (Posted @ 10:35 PST)

[Felicius]

1. she had bomb making diagrams/plans
2. she had saved emails from sleeper cells on USB
3. when approached, she opened fire on US troops

She wasn't just pulled over in some nakabandi and taken into custody, but a gun battle ensued prior to her arrest.

[SurvivoR]

Shehz r u in ur senses? she was  picked up  in 2003 out of her house in Gulshan e Iqbal block 7 on her way to the airport man... what bomb making diagram r u talkin about? the same kind of diagrams which they said Iraq had WMDs? and all this bull crap about saved emails from sleeper cells on USB wow how clever of her rite? and this opened fire on US troops thing is totally a scene out of a Jaali Pakistan Police Muqabla... Just tell me one thing when did u get to know about all the charges on her? and when and where had she been picked up? and what did her children do? or were they found with suicide jackets/belts or suicide school bags with them? what happened to them?

These are outright baseless and total lie charges... just because she was a practicing Muslim and I guess because she was highly qualified and so they want to discredit any highly qualified practicing Muslim as well... The case of our Muslim sister Dr. Afia Siddiqui is a slap and a spit in all our faces. Rather than swallow what ever these criminal agencies and their agents dish out at us, we should look at everything with logic and history in our mind.

[Felicius]

Shehz r u in ur senses? she was  picked up  in 2003 out of her house in Gulshan e Iqbal block 7 on her way to the airport man... what bomb making diagram r u talkin about?

I'm not the editor of Dawn or NY Times or The Washington Post or The Khaleej Times or any of the media's responsible for the release.
I'm very much in my senses, thank you for inquiring bud!

[pakistanzindabaad]

1. she had bomb making diagrams/plans
2. she had saved emails from sleeper cells on USB
3. when approached, she opened fire on US troops

She wasn't just pulled over in some nakabandi and taken into custody, but a gun battle ensued prior to her arrest.

Shehz;

I think you need to look at the story before making accusations against this lady... Your enthusiasm about accusing her is disturbing (to put it very mildly)...

The US says that the fire fight happened after she was taken into custody... a 90 pound (rouhly 45-50 Kgs) lady hid behind a curtain at a questioning cell; and wrestled a gun from a US soldier... Then she opened fire upon another group of soldiers.. thats when she was allegedly wounded...

There are a number of independent accounts of her torture at bagram... I personally read an account which mentioned her a couple of years ago...

She has been missng since 2003... He family has been raising the issue since then...



In the begining I wondered what would happen to families of people who were involved with either AQ or the taliban... I thought the actual perpetrators would be handled but the families wouldnt be harmed...

Did'nt think that Moshe was that much of a $%&#% that he'd hand over females to the US for treatment similar to abu gharaib... Lekin the ^%*$& was not only capable of that; he actually did the deed...

Whats actually hapening right now is an ass covering operation by the US media... The same thing happened after abu gharaib...

When the #### hits the fan (i.e. Media gets wind of it); deny, falsify, plant evidence, obscure the truth...

What I do not have patience with is, Pakistanis willing to buy into this crap... Aankhon key aagay kia bandha hoa hay???

[pakistanzindabaad]

How can we go to the world and plead her case (Ask for justice or fundamental human rights) when our own people are busy cutting up her character???

Aik simple straight forward baat per to unity honi chahye...

Itna psychological hold hay US ka key we're willing to abandon everything...

Allah aur uss key azaab sey darna chahye...

[pakistanzindabaad]

http://www.dawn.com/2008/08/14/top15.htm

Govt seeks repatriation of Dr Aafia’s children: FO asks India to address Kashmir dispute

By Baqir Sajjad Syed

ISLAMABAD, Aug 13: Pakistan on Wednesday protested against the detention of Al Qaeda suspect Dr Aafia Siddiqui’s three children by the United States and demanded their immediate repatriation.

The Foreign Office also urged US authorities to respect Dr Siddiqui’s rights as an under-trial prisoner.

“We have sent a note verbale to the US State Department that the children of Dr Aafia Siddiqui, who according to media reports are in US custody, be immediately returned to Pakistan,” Foreign Office spokesman Muhammad Sadiq said at the weekly media briefing.

Regarding Pakistan’s position on the repatriation of Dr Siddiqui herself, the spokesman said that Islamabad remained committed to repatriation of all Pakistanis detained abroad. However, he noted that since Dr Siddiqui was being tried in the US, no request for immediate repatriation had been made and only consular access was being provided to her.

“We are making every possible effort that Dr Aafia Siddiqui is not discriminated against and that her rights as an under-trial prisoner are respected,” he said.

Referring to growing Western criticism of Pakistan’s consular assistance for an Al Qaeda associate, Mr Sadiq said the government considered a legal and moral responsibility to assist a Pakistani national. The government, he emphasised, would continue to pursue the issue with US authorities.

About Dr Siddiqui’s refusal during consular access to share with the Pakistan government information on the circumstances of her arrest, the spokesman said that the government respected the right of Dr Siddiqui to share or not to share any information about her.

KASHMIR: The spokesman expressed concern on reports of attacks on the life and property of Muslims in occupied Kashmir and their economic blockade by extremist elements, fearing these might have serious humanitarian implications.

“We are deeply concerned over the deteriorating situation in IOK, which is resulting in loss of life and property of the Kashmiri people and violation of their human rights. We call for immediate steps to end violence against innocent Kashmiris.” Pakistan, he said, impresses upon India to observe restraint and rein in extremist elements that were seeking economic ruin of the Kashmiri people.

The spokesman said that it was important India ensured an enabling environment, free of violence, to sustain the peace process and address the Kashmir dispute.

The Foreign Office released the official tally of illegal Pakistani immigrants detained in Turkish prisons, putting the figure at 1,700.

Mr Sadiq said all of them had been taken to Turkey by ‘unscrupulous overseas employment promoters’.

“The reckless behaviour of some overseas employment promoters and so-called immigration agents is endangering the lives of Pakistanis seeking employment abroad, defrauding their families and causing grief to their relatives and friends.”

The Pakistan Embassy in Ankara and the consulate general in Istanbul are facilitating the return of the detainees.

INDIAN EMBASSY BOMBING: The spokesman regretted that neither Afghanistan nor India have shared evidence in support of their allegations of Pakistan’s involvement in the blast at the Indian embassy in Kabul.

“Neither Afghanistan nor India had provided any evidence in support of their allegations despite our repeated demands. Unsubstantiated allegations do not help the war on terror or promote regional peace and stability,” Mr Sadiq said.

[Sardar]

Salim:

1. She was a Pakistani.

2. She was a Muslims.

If one or the other were true, no matter what, there is no justifcation to hand her over to Americans given their previous track record in Basra and Guantanamo Bay.

You summed it up well bro.

If only our leaders had the courage to think like that.

[Felicius]

I think you need to look at the story before making accusations against this lady... Your enthusiasm about accusing her is disturbing (to put it very mildly)...

I'm making the accusations, and I'm enthusiastic?
I'm repeating what's been quoted in the presses, again, I'm not the news anchor or the editor.

Go after the message, not the messenger.
BTW, it was your post above mine that that was the message, aap ney post kiya tha bhai.
And I'm the one who showed enthusiasm?

I'm much oblidged for the mildness, thank you.

[pakistanzindabaad]

The lady has part of her large intestine removed; she's got ulcers in her mouth... She cant swallow anything...

Her nose is broken... She's in a pretty bad condition... And these are the things that we do know about... Pata nahin aik independent examiner kia kuch aur bataye...

[Jahan]

I'm repeating what's been quoted in the presses, again, I'm not the news anchor or the editor.

Do you always believe the press Shehz?

Moreoever, do you always repeat what the press says and then cry "foul" when you're criticised for doing so?

[Felicius]

Either them or you?
I'll pick the media anytime.

About the crying foul part, PZ posted the news, I didn't.
All I did was to read it, is that a crime?

Do you always cry foul when the news item is not to your liking or you can't convince others that it's not true?

[pakistanzindabaad]

http://thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=52166

Pakistani Senators plan US visit to meet Dr. Afia

ISLAMABAD: The Central Secretary General of Muslim League-Q Senator Mushahid Hussain said Friday that government had adopted his party’s stance on Kashmir issue.

Talking to media outside Parliament House, he said senate committees unanimously passed resolutions demanding US to shut down Gauntanamo Bay and handing over of Dr. Afia Siddiqui to Pakistan.

Joint resolution shows that people of Pakistan, government and opposition have same stance on Kashmir issue, he said and added joint resolution would be forwarded to United Nations Mission.

Hussain further told that a Senate delegation would soon depart for US to meet Dr. Afia Siddiqui.

Answering a question, Senator Mushahid Hussain said Senator Samiul Haq could also visit US if return ticket was arranged for him.

Edited by pakistanzindabaad, 15 August 2008 - 08:25 AM.

[Jahan]

Either them or you?
I'll pick the media anytime.

About the crying foul part, PZ posted the news, I didn't.
All I did was to read it, is that a crime?

Do you always cry foul when the news item is not to your liking or you can't convince others that it's not true?

Same media you criticise as being anti-Pakistani and working on an agenda which ultimately seeks Pakistan's destruction?

The issue was never whether you believe them or me. No one here will dispute that my niat and love for my nation are sincere. Everyone will agree that the Western media is anti-Pakistani. Khair, I won't go into that. Your allegiances seem prickly.

You didn't just read it bud.

1. she had bomb making diagrams/plans
2. she had saved emails from sleeper cells on USB
3. when approached, she opened fire on US troops

She wasn't just pulled over in some nakabandi and taken into custody, but a gun battle ensued prior to her arrest.

Shameful day when Pakistanis start believing the Western media's lies in an attempt to justify rape, kidnap and torture of one of our sisters.

Strange man.

[Tropicana]

Same media you criticise as being anti-Pakistani and working on an agenda which ultimately seeks Pakistan's destruction?

The issue was never whether you believe them or me. No one here will dispute that my niat and love for my nation are sincere. Everyone will agree that the Western media is anti-Pakistani. Khair, I won't go into that. Your allegiances seem prickly.

You didn't just read it bud.
Shameful day when Pakistanis start believing the Western media's lies in an attempt to justify rape, kidnap and torture of one of our sisters.

Strange man.

Many Muslims do act like Uncle Tom's by criticizing bearded Muslims, and calling Hijab oppression. For them the attraction of the US Visa/passport surpasses any other principles they have. The underlying way in which they think is "what will I gain by supporting Muslims, specially Hijab wearing extremists? Maybe I should just show myself as enlightened and repeat whatever the western media says"

[asal-main]

no matter what, there is no justifcation to hand her over to Americans given their previous track record in Basra and Guantanamo Bay.

Where did the 'she was handed to America come from'.
She was arrested in Afghanistan one month ago by Americans/Afghans. Before that she was wanted for over four years.

[asal-main]

there was an ABC newsclip on Yahoo. FBI calling her  biggest terror related catch in five years based on documents found on her computer. She is being held in newyork now.

[Felicius]

Same media you criticise as being anti-Pakistani and working on an agenda which ultimately seeks Pakistan's destruction?

Some assume.
And you just say things out of the blue.

Never once I've critisized Dawn News.
Never once I've said Dawn had an agenda and seeks Pakistan's destruction.

What are you going on about?
Said that, my allegiance is with Pakistan.

She's having a trial in NY, with media and Pakistani diplomats present.
Innocent until proven guilty means that they've not been convicted yet, and not they're not charged and in custody.

By me saying things that'll please you is not going to bring Aafia back to Pakistan.
The only thing I agree (with PZ) is that we should have handled her case, and not that she's guilty or not, that's for the investigators and judges.
If you want to have a say in it, do Law and apply for a job there, other than that, what you say is only an opinion and I couldn't care less for that.

Either you or Dawn?
Again, the media anytime, no offence bud.

[pakistanzindabaad]

Where did the 'she was handed to America come from'.
She was arrested in Afghanistan one month ago by Americans/Afghans. Before that she was wanted for over four years.

Human Rights Commission of Pakistan

"The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan has been following the case of disappearance of Dr. Aafia Siddiqui and her three children since early 2003. The information collected by HRCP at that particular time was that in March 2003 Dr. Siddiqui, along with her three children, left her mother's house in a taxi on her way to the Karachi airport and was picked up by an intelligence agency. What she was accused of when picked up has not been made public. Strangely, the only charge against her is an alleged assault against her captors while in custody."

http://www.hrcp-web.org/print.cfm?proId=639




Dr. Afia Siddiqui [Photo] left her mother's house in Gulshan-e-Iqbal, Karachi, Sindh province, along with her three children, in a Metro-cab on March 30, 2003 to catch a flight for Rawalpindi, Punjab province, but never reached the airport. The press reports claimed that Dr. Afia had been picked-up by Pakistani intelligence agencies while on her way to the airport and initial reports suggested that she was handed over to the American Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). At the time of her arrest she was 30 years and the mother of three sons the oldest of which was four and the youngest only one month.

A few days later an American news channel, NBC, reported that Afia had been arrested in Pakistan on suspicion of facilitating money transfers for terror networks of Osama Bin Laden. The mother of the victim, Mrs. Ismat (who has since passed away) termed the NBC report absurd. She went on to say that Dr. Afia is a neurological scientist and has been living with her husband, Amjad, in the USA for several years.


There are reports that in Afghanistan's prison of Bagram there is a woman prison known as Prisoner 650 and that she has been severely tortured. It is also widely suspected that Prisoner 650 is Dr. Afia Siddiqui. This prisoner has reportedly lost her mind due to constant rape and ill treatment.



Ms Ridley, who went to Pakistan to appeal for help, said the case came to her attention when she read the book, The Enemy Combatant, by a former Guantanamo detainee, Moazzam Begg. After being seized in February 2002 in Islamabad, Mr Begg was held in detention centres in Kandahar and Bagram for about a year before he was transferred to Guantanamo Bay. He recounted his experiences in the book after his release in 2005. Mr. Imran Khan, leader of Justice Party (T.I) suspects that prisoner 650 is the Dr. Afia Siddiqui and USA and Pakistani authorities are hiding facts of 'Prisoner 650'.

ASIAN HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION

http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2008/2947/

What should be the punishment for those who handed her over to be treated like this??

Edited by pakistanzindabaad, 15 August 2008 - 02:51 PM.

[Jahan]

Some assume.
And you just say things out of the blue.

Never once I've critisized Dawn News.
Never once I've said Dawn had an agenda and seeks Pakistan's destruction.

What are you going on about?
Said that, my allegiance is with Pakistan.

She's having a trial in NY, with media and Pakistani diplomats present.
Innocent until proven guilty means that they've not been convicted yet, and not they're not charged and in custody.

By me saying things that'll please you is not going to bring Aafia back to Pakistan.
The only thing I agree (with PZ) is that we should have handled her case, and not that she's guilty or not, that's for the investigators and judges.
If you want to have a say in it, do Law and apply for a job there, other than that, what you say is only an opinion and I couldn't care less for that.

Either you or Dawn?
Again, the media anytime, no offence bud.

Bhai jaan, we're talking about the Western media. Pakistani media ka iss guftagu mein koi wajood nahi. They're not going on about the cock-and-bull rubbish the American media is feeding us.

Sawaal siraf aur siraf Western media ka hai.

The rest of your post is irrelevant. You're confused over what I'm trying to say.

You said you're only quoting the media - not to kill the messenger etc etc etc.

Which media is it that you're quoting? That says:

1. she had bomb making diagrams/plans
2. she had saved emails from sleeper cells on USB
3. when approached, she opened fire on US troops

She wasn't just pulled over in some nakabandi and taken into custody, but a gun battle ensued prior to her arrest.

The Western media of course.

The Pakistani media has continued to maintain her innocence.

So you're quoting Western media. Which clearly has an anti-Pakistan agenda. You would agree to this, I assume?

Enter Arslan. "Do you always believe the press Shehz?"

To which Shehz says, hell yeah man, over you I do.

So I say, well that's a pity. You'd believe an anti-Pakistan media over me, and I'm spouting the same stuff that the crazy Pakistanis are saying, that Dr Afia Siddiqui is innocent, that everything about her case reeks of illegality.

And you start going on about Dawn? Bhai meray, Dawn's on my side.

Either you or Dawn?
Again, the media anytime, no offence bud.

Post an article in which Dawn corroborates American media reports that she was a terrorist.

Sincerely speaking, you got a bit lost there.












--- One more thing,

The only thing I agree (with PZ) is that we should have handled her case, and not that she's guilty or not, that's for the investigators and judges.

How about her treatment? Oozing gun shot wound? No doctor? Broken nose? Removed kidney? Missing teeth? Missing portion of large intestine?

Condemn it for the sake of humanity, no?

[asal-main]

Human Rights Commission of Pakistan

"The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan has been following the case of disappearance of Dr. Aafia Siddiqui and her three children since early 2003. The information collected by HRCP at that particular time was that in March 2003 Dr. Siddiqui, along with her three children, left her mother's house in a taxi on her way to the Karachi airport and was picked up by an intelligence agency. What she was accused of when picked up has not been made public. Strangely, the only charge against her is an alleged assault against her captors while in custody."

http://www.hrcp-web.org/print.cfm?proId=639
Dr. Afia Siddiqui [Photo] left her mother's house in Gulshan-e-Iqbal, Karachi, Sindh province, along with her three children, in a Metro-cab on March 30, 2003 to catch a flight for Rawalpindi, Punjab province, but never reached the airport. The press reports claimed that Dr. Afia had been picked-up by Pakistani intelligence agencies while on her way to the airport and initial reports suggested that she was handed over to the American Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). At the time of her arrest she was 30 years and the mother of three sons the oldest of which was four and the youngest only one month.

A few days later an American news channel, NBC, reported that Afia had been arrested in Pakistan on suspicion of facilitating money transfers for terror networks of Osama Bin Laden. The mother of the victim, Mrs. Ismat (who has since passed away) termed the NBC report absurd. She went on to say that Dr. Afia is a neurological scientist and has been living with her husband, Amjad, in the USA for several years.
There are reports that in Afghanistan's prison of Bagram there is a woman prison known as Prisoner 650 and that she has been severely tortured. It is also widely suspected that Prisoner 650 is Dr. Afia Siddiqui. This prisoner has reportedly lost her mind due to constant rape and ill treatment.
Ms Ridley, who went to Pakistan to appeal for help, said the case came to her attention when she read the book, The Enemy Combatant, by a former Guantanamo detainee, Moazzam Begg. After being seized in February 2002 in Islamabad, Mr Begg was held in detention centres in Kandahar and Bagram for about a year before he was transferred to Guantanamo Bay. He recounted his experiences in the book after his release in 2005. Mr. Imran Khan, leader of Justice Party (T.I) suspects that prisoner 650 is the Dr. Afia Siddiqui and USA and Pakistani authorities are hiding facts of 'Prisoner 650'.

ASIAN HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION

http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2008/2947/

What should be the punishment for those who handed her over to be treated like this??

The report says it is "claimed" she was picked up by Pakistani intelligence in 2003. And why was their silence in between for five years?

In any case, it is fully public now, and she is being held for some reason isnt it.  She has been charged with evidence against her. FBI is saying biggest terror suspect due to her network of contacts, given other details and suspected plots.

What I am against and very concerned about is the secrecy under which suspects are detained. It is open to abuse.

[pakistanzindabaad]

The reports of her being missing have been there since 2003...



I've read them... All of this flared up when Yvonne Ridley did a press conference with Imran Khan's help...

Shes a part of the missing person's list; which has been discussed here many times in the past...

http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dcwznz68_26gs4r66c4



If you want to see the documentry
http://www.teeth.com.pk/blog/2007/11/25/mi...tan-documentary

There are 600 people in the list... pata nahin aur kitnay hon...

[pakistanzindabaad]

there was an ABC newsclip on Yahoo. FBI calling her  biggest terror related catch in five years based on documents found on her computer. She is being held in newyork now.

Wasnt KSM (The alleged mastermind of 911 also caught in the last 5 years??)

Notice she is only being charged with the crime of firing upon US troops...

The rest of the evidence is probably not admissable since the court would ask for chain of custody... fox, abc mashoor hain heresay ko news k tor per pesh kerney kay...

[Felicius]

Bhai jaan, we're talking about the Western media. Pakistani media ka iss guftagu mein koi wajood nahi. They're not going on about the cock-and-bull rubbish the American media is feeding us.

Sawaal siraf aur siraf Western media ka hai.

The rest of your post is irrelevant. You're confused over what I'm trying to say.

You said you're only quoting the media - not to kill the messenger etc etc etc.

Which media is it that you're quoting? That says:
The Western media of course.

The Pakistani media has continued to maintain her innocence.

So you're quoting Western media. Which clearly has an anti-Pakistan agenda. You would agree to this, I assume?

Enter Arslan. "Do you always believe the press Shehz?"

To which Shehz says, hell yeah man, over you I do.

So I say, well that's a pity. You'd believe an anti-Pakistan media over me, and I'm spouting the same stuff that the crazy Pakistanis are saying, that Dr Afia Siddiqui is innocent, that everything about her case reeks of illegality.

And you start going on about Dawn? Bhai meray, Dawn's on my side.
Post an article in which Dawn corroborates American media reports that she was a terrorist.

Sincerely speaking, you got a bit lost there.
--- One more thing,
How about her treatment? Oozing gun shot wound? No doctor? Broken nose? Removed kidney? Missing teeth? Missing portion of large intestine?

Condemn it for the sake of humanity, no?

You're trying to grab whatever straw you can find to keep you afloat.
You're losing it, let it go.
I'm not an investigator nor a part of the jury, neither are you.

About the Dawn News, it's the post directly above mine, PZ's post 175 here, scroll up.
You saying I'm losing it, and here you're doing selective reading, what are you going on about?

Where did I ever say "Hell yeah over you I do"?
You're quoting what I didn't even say, and earlier it was that 'I said media had agenda against Pakistan', are you alright bud?
You are losing credibility now, seriously!

[must7]

By the way .. the following came to my knowledge .. only today :-

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayLetters.asp

CLEVER piece of writing, dude! But for all your smartness, you can't hide the fact that this woman despite her first class education and a doctorate from MIT is after all a terrorist and Al Qaeda mastermind. The writer has very cleverly left out the fact that Aafia Siddiqui's husband is a nephew of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of September 11 terror attacks on America. In fact, her husband is right now in the Guantanamo Bay for his criminal acts against the American people. If she was picked up by the US and Afghan authorities, it's because she happens to be an accomplice of terrorists like Khalid Sheikh.
- W. Boyd, San Francisco

[pakistanzindabaad]

No one said that she isnt an extended family member of KSM...

BUT

There is no law that says that a nephews wife should be held accountable (Partly or fully) for the Uncle in Laws crimes (Un proved at this time; btw)...

Where is the evidence??

Why is she only charged with attacking US personnel??

Why was she not brought before a Pakistani court?? She was abducted (Not arrested; according to the constitution of Pakistan) in Pakistan... She is a Pakistani citizen; not a bakra which you can sell off...

Moshe has a lot to answer for...