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[SLD10]

MANASIR bhai sahab.

Hum ko samjahein tchar nukhteys jo pak eye nay likhay hein ?

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Sheikh Rasheed calls politicians in govt for hijjray

http://www.zemtv.com...f-in-live-show/

[Pak-Eye]

For point#4 yea that was an obvious miss; quotes were supposed to be over "rational" and "civilized generation"

 

Tribals are same and they always have been; it is us who have gone through complete mutation since 1947; it were our institutions (both military and non-military) that pushed and trained these tribals honoring them with their jihad to save fellow Muslim brothers from the communists during 70s and 80s ... problem was and in fact same is true today, when you follow Quran, it is an obligation

 

and boy oh boy the USA was so glad with above scenario, at that time

 

Fast forward to 2001; this time Musharraf telling tribals that NOW following Quran becomes terrorism simply because this time it is USA invading Afghanistan

 

Now most 'moderate, 'civilized', 'educated', 'Islam and peace loving' Pakistanis understood that Iman (Faith) has to be put aside and for time being 'Maslihat' is the way forward ... and to certain extent it was true as well ... 

 

But was it tribals' mistake if 'some' or 'other' Muslims have lesser level of Iman? Tribals were following what they were taught in 80s ... their loyalties and faith didn't and couldn't switch instantly ... over a single phone call from white house ...

 

so there was a need at that time for some cool mind to handle the situation strategically, rather than with glamour as the hot headed Musharraf did

 

Last but not least during my last 10 years of learning curve, IMHO Muslims residing in west are not morally in right position to debate terms like Islam, Jihad or even the moral decay of other Muslims living under corrupt Muslim regimes (and that included myself as well at one time though I have left west for good) ...

 

If we wanna bring change to our societies, to our systems, institutions, nations, leaders, economies, our vision of Muslims ... we first need to apply change to ourselves

 

By living in west, rest assured, we are simply fooling ourselves of being good Muslims ... and if you wanna continue living in west that please avoid subjects like Islam, Jihad and Justice as it will simply backfire on Muslim communities living in west

 

my 2 cents and everybody here has every right to disagree; I would respect that

[platinum786]

Frankly the biggest mistake we've made in recent times is letting this Jihad business get out of hand. Taking ownership of it, keeping it under control, would have meant a more effective tool. This open source nature of it in Pakistan ended up causing some problems, but it's never too late.

[clutch]

Wolves from all sides now embedding their fangs to devour the weak muslim nations... remnants of a long forgotten ummah...

Signs of the end-days.

Why would you guys think Pakistan would be left alone... modi wants war. He knows Pakistan is weak. Typical hidudva mantra, "moo paar ram ram, baaghaal maay chooree".

Pak a state corrupt... easy pickings.

[irfan_kashmir]

good thoughtful article on Dawn 

 

http://www.dawn.com/...border-fighting

 

NEW DELHI: To judge from the shrill outrage of India’s television news channels, the bloody clashes along the Line of Control and Working Boundary are all Pakistan’s fault.

However, military officers in both countries and officials in New Delhi say the violence that has killed nearly 20 civilians escalated because of a more assertive Indian posture under the government of nationalist Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

“The message we have been given from the prime minister’s office is very clear and precise,” said a senior Indian Home Ministry official. “The prime minister’s office has instructed us to ensure that Pakistan suffers deep and heavy losses.”

Know more: Times have changed, warns Modi

In his first extensive comments on the violence, Mr Modi told a political rally on Thursday, when 1,000 Indian mortars rained across into Pakistan, that “it is the enemy that is screaming”.

“The enemy has realised that times have changed and their old habits will not be tolerated,” he said.

Mr Modi’s approach towards Pakistan, supporters say, is aimed at emphasising India’s superior strength and making Pakistan’s military think twice before firing across the border.

It is a strategy he also used to stand up to China during a border standoff between Indian and Chinese troops that coincided with President Xi Jinping’s visit to New Delhi last month.

Since Mr Modi’s election victory in May, military commanders have been encouraged to step up border patrols and retaliate with more force if they come under attack. New Delhi has insisted there can be no talks with Pakistan “unless it ends shootings and pushing militants” into India-held Kashmir.

Officials say India’s new policy is being orchestrated by Ajit Doval, the country’s national security adviser, a decorated former intelligence official renowned for his role in dangerous counter-insurgency missions. He has long advocated tough action against Pakistan-based militant groups.

In August, after days of cross-border firing between India and Pakistan, Mr Doval attended a meeting at the Home Ministry along with the head of the paramilitary Border Security Force (BSF) and a decision was taken to give a free hand to the ground commanders in India-held Jammu, a top security official in the region said.

Until then, the BSF, which guards the section of the border with Pakistan, had complained that instructions on how to respond to provocations were unclear.

“It is a very tough stand that our top bosses want us to take against Pakistan and the tone is very different from the previous government,” said the Home Ministry official.

“The previous government indulged in lip service... but actually neither BSF nor the army was given a free hand.”

A spokesman for India’s defence ministry did not respond to requests for comments.

Pakistani military leaders say they have been taken aback by the level of aggression of Indian forces over the last week.

At a time when the Pakistan army is combating militants in the tribal areas they do not want the distraction of battling India on its eastern flank, they said.

“India is deliberately putting pressure on Pakistani security forces by opening this new front,” said a senior Pakistani military official posted on the border. “The message from India is clear: ‘We will teach you a lesson’.”

Indians in the border areas of held Kashmir said they themselves had noticed a change in tactics by the Indian forces.

“Pakistan fires one, our boys fire six back,” said Atma Ram, 71, who was standing about 300 metres from the electrified fence that separates the two countries in the Suchetgarh area near Jammu

[clutch]

good thoughtful article on Dawn 
 
http://www.dawn.com/...border-fighting
 
NEW DELHI: To judge from the shrill outrage of Indias television news channels, the bloody clashes along the Line of Control and Working Boundary are all Pakistans fault.
However, military officers in both countries and officials in New Delhi say the violence that has killed nearly 20 civilians escalated because of a more assertive Indian posture under the government of nationalist Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
The message we have been given from the prime ministers office is very clear and precise, said a senior Indian Home Ministry official. The prime ministers office has instructed us to ensure that Pakistan suffers deep and heavy losses.
Know more: Times have changed, warns Modi
In his first extensive comments on the violence, Mr Modi told a political rally on Thursday, when 1,000 Indian mortars rained across into Pakistan, that it is the enemy that is screaming.
The enemy has realised that times have changed and their old habits will not be tolerated, he said.
Mr Modis approach towards Pakistan, supporters say, is aimed at emphasising Indias superior strength and making Pakistans military think twice before firing across the border.
It is a strategy he also used to stand up to China during a border standoff between Indian and Chinese troops that coincided with President Xi Jinpings visit to New Delhi last month.
Since Mr Modis election victory in May, military commanders have been encouraged to step up border patrols and retaliate with more force if they come under attack. New Delhi has insisted there can be no talks with Pakistan unless it ends shootings and pushing militants into India-held Kashmir.
Officials say Indias new policy is being orchestrated by Ajit Doval, the countrys national security adviser, a decorated former intelligence official renowned for his role in dangerous counter-insurgency missions. He has long advocated tough action against Pakistan-based militant groups.
In August, after days of cross-border firing between India and Pakistan, Mr Doval attended a meeting at the Home Ministry along with the head of the paramilitary Border Security Force (BSF) and a decision was taken to give a free hand to the ground commanders in India-held Jammu, a top security official in the region said.
Until then, the BSF, which guards the section of the border with Pakistan, had complained that instructions on how to respond to provocations were unclear.
It is a very tough stand that our top bosses want us to take against Pakistan and the tone is very different from the previous government, said the Home Ministry official.
The previous government indulged in lip service... but actually neither BSF nor the army was given a free hand.
A spokesman for Indias defence ministry did not respond to requests for comments.
Pakistani military leaders say they have been taken aback by the level of aggression of Indian forces over the last week.
At a time when the Pakistan army is combating militants in the tribal areas they do not want the distraction of battling India on its eastern flank, they said.
India is deliberately putting pressure on Pakistani security forces by opening this new front, said a senior Pakistani military official posted on the border. The message from India is clear: We will teach you a lesson.
Indians in the border areas of held Kashmir said they themselves had noticed a change in tactics by the Indian forces.
Pakistan fires one, our boys fire six back, said Atma Ram, 71, who was standing about 300 metres from the electrified fence that separates the two countries in the Suchetgarh area near Jammu

Modi knows Pakistan very well... he knows a nation that accepts $$ for drones is worse than their dalits... he is right... he can bomb Pakistan as mush as he wants... nobody cares!

Besides some foolhardy patriotic rhetoric from some online forum. .. no Pakistani g8ves 2 shaites... Every Pakistani is too busy with I-gotta-get-my-bling-bling...

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

IK speaks against modi
http://www.zemtv.com...sialkot-border/

Indian media blasted against IK for speaking against Modi
http://www.zemtv.com...-narendra-modi/


Gen Hamid Gul blasts geo on geo channel.
http://www.zemtv.com...sitting-on-geo/

[faizan khaliq]

thanks to Almighty what MIR Musharaf gave in 2004 Inshallah we will regain

[platinum786]

I don't think Pakistani public opinions is apathetic. Pakistani's care, look at twitter and look at the top trends from Pakistan, all anti government, anti India, pro Army, pro change.

 

Do you guys remember all the trolls on our forum, do you think they all died, or got girlfriends or something? No, they pretend to be Pakistani's on Pakistani news websites and leave negative and anti Pakistani comments on there. That is why browsing the news sites you might think people don't care.

 

We are indeed a few people on a forum, we have a choice. We can either cease to exist, or we can be counted. If you think the way to do that is to stand at the border with a gun, do that, if you don't think that's apprropriate or possible, then you can continue doing what we have always done, to support our country, to spread the messages that needs to be spread.

[PAKPATRIOT]

I don't think Pakistani public opinions is apathetic. Pakistani's care, look at twitter and look at the top trends from Pakistan, all anti government, anti India, pro Army, pro change.

 

Do you guys remember all the trolls on our forum, do you think they all died, or got girlfriends or something? No, they pretend to be Pakistani's on Pakistani news websites and leave negative and anti Pakistani comments on there. That is why browsing the news sites you might think people don't care.

 

We are indeed a few people on a forum, we have a choice. We can either cease to exist, or we can be counted. If you think the way to do that is to stand at the border with a gun, do that, if you don't think that's apprropriate or possible, then you can continue doing what we have always done, to support our country, to spread the messages that needs to be spread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I 2nd that. As bad as this is for Pakistan, india will not want this to escalate and start a war with Pakistan. If it does, then it will unite all the extremists and the Pakistani nation. india will not be able to control the outcome. With all this posturing by india, if it was going to launch a full scale attack/invasion of Pakistan it would have done so by now. 

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

indian media now speaks against Zaid Hamid:

http://www.zemtv.com...d-hamid-phobia/

[kmc]

I 2nd that. As bad as this is for Pakistan, india will not want this to escalate and start a war with Pakistan. If it does, then it will unite all the extremists and the Pakistani nation. india will not be able to control the outcome. With all this posturing by india, if it was going to launch a full scale attack/invasion of Pakistan it would have done so by now. 

 

What I understand from reading local paper is that, NS with help of Pakistan Army is trying to divert the attention of public from IK's protests. Ruling party is trying to divert public attention so it can protect itself from its downfall. 

 

If not, then why Pakistan now taking cross border firing issue to US and then to UN Secretary and when he refused to intervene then they took it to the P-5s and if Pakistan trying discuss about cross border firing there it can be understandable but instead there its members are trying to include Kashmir issue to it, for which nobody as of now interested (might be Modi factor).

 

So as of now I feel that Pakistan ruling party is trying to fool its people. In order to divert attention from its corruption it has trying to bring Kashmir issue, the only news which can divert Pakistan people's attention.

 

If I am wrong please guide me.

 

 

Pakistan conveys concerns over border skirmishes to US delegation

http://www.dawn.com/...o-us-delegation

 

Pakistan writes letter to UN Chief over Indian aggression

http://www.geo.tv/ar...dian-aggression

 

UN Chief urges Pakistan, India to resolve all issues through dialogues

http://www.geo.tv/ar...ough-dialogues-

 

Pakistan briefs P-5 about security tensions on Line of Control

http://gulfnews.com/...ntrol-1.1398610

[noxiouspython]

Aoa

 

 

I think some people may confuse people's hatred towards the PML-N/PPP Governments for hatred or apathy towards the State of Pakistan. I think the day &hit hit's the fan, you will see the nation united against the aggressors. I've seen it time again that whenever India ups the heat people from all walks of life get all patriotic and pumped up even if the media tries to cool it off.

 

I think the Indians forget that Pakistanis have so many crazy people willing to die that we had suicide bombings happen weekly or even daily for long stretches of time. It was something most thought haram and it still happened. What do they think will happen if something that was crystal clear were to happen like war with India?

 

 

Do you guys remember all the trolls on our forum, do you think they all died, or got girlfriends or something?

 

 

that cracked me up. They wish. haha

 

w/salaam

[faizan khaliq]

we are small nation with little resources and our Army is not under so much political vontrol that in orfer to save the neck of primeminister they will start border skirmishes at a time when they are too busy dealing with Afghan war 

[irfan_kashmir]

I am Pakistani like and i believe at times we need look things logically 

 

If the loss of East-Pakistan, : who has to be blamed for that let me honest our Punjabi ruling class needs to be blamed for that  let us read 

he Hamoodur Rahman Commission

 http://en.wikipedia....hman_Commission

its not india who is responsible its our military and ruling class ...

 

the loss of Siachin,: Again it was a no mans land why we were sending mountaineer expedition  to there , where was our famous ISI and Army then , why they could not go to the top before indians, well our army was planning to take over civilian government and zia was busy helping afghans ..   

 

the shooting down of the Atlantique,: we shoot down two aircrafts  in kargil and when india got chance they shot down one of ours 

Indian built port in Iran, :  whats wrong in that if we had money we should have built the port ,did iran stopped us ? China is building port in Pakistan what wrong if india builds port in iran ? 

Indian consulates in Afghanistan,: we have consulates in nepal and sri lanka does  india says no it ? and afghanistan is an independent country 

if they allow any other country to open consulate whats wrong in that ?

 TTP funding by India : who created TPP , it was once our military's creation how can we forget that if india funds TPP let us fund terrorist who are fighting india 

 

let us stop being crying baby and act like man ... 

[btruant2002]

May be right, the army need not start border incidents to save the premier.

 

But could it be that the army itself is trying to boost its stocks because of its own bombing of the FATA and Kyber... and inability to prevent drone strikes.

 

It is clear that there is military hand in Sharif raising Kashmir in UN and simultaneous warming up of the border. Couldn't it be an attempt to garner more international attention?

 

India/Modi does not gain anything by starting a skirmish at this juncture because the regional elections would in no way influence the federal structure. In any case, Modi is comfortably ahead in the election.

 

 

we are small nation with little resources and our Army is not under so much political vontrol that in orfer to save the neck of primeminister they will start border skirmishes at a time when they are too busy dealing with Afghan war 

[faizan khaliq]

no military hand in raising the Issue at UN ,it is pressure of Imran Khan , Modi ,s rise is almost like Adolf Hitler and he is most likely to follow the same and here his generals present him the opportunity.Iran is in Bed with US and India ,Afghan Government is stable and firmly under US control,Pakistan Army is out stretched and Any limited action or series of small actions on eastern and western border  might humble Pakistan. How Pakistan is going to react? well no idia

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Gen Hameed Gul: Modi is a gift Pakistan

http://www.zemtv.com...h-october-2014/

[SLD10]

Nasir Sahab. You know very well that Pakistan is many years in trouble : feudal society, dynastic family political parties, corrupted people, low moral people and so.

You know it well !

Pakistan has now more enemies (internal and external) than any country had in the past I think (in my humble opinion).


So let them bark like dog. And Pak army need to continuee to fire when needed.

Everyone know world is going toward another world war..

What can we do ? What can you do ? What can be done ?

Only focusing on more and more phallus like missile as you told to someone... They will find acehole themself.

[SLD10]

Nasir Are you in Pakistan or in a safe place far from india Pakistan ?

[SLD10]

Sorry can't edit previous post from my old blackberry device.

Nasir I noticed you use wrong word in the same post where you say Allah. Sorry my eenglish wenglish is too limited so I cannot explain what I want on this point.

[Krad]

He is in Houston TX.

 

Nukes won't be falling on him.

 

How convenient for him.

[irfan_kashmir]

http://www.ndtv.com/...home-topstories

 

Hinting that India might try to isolate Pakistan in the global community, the NSA said the time has come for the UN to come up with a convention on terrorism. 

 

True face of india  

[kmc]

In 2001, India's efforts to come up with a UN Convention were successfully thwarted by Pakistan. It had insisted that an UN Convention on terrorism should not apply to freedom fighters and that terrorists operating in Jammu and Kashmir were "freedom fighters". 

 

it was 13 years back

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Parvez Musharraf interview on an Indian channel

http://www.zemtv.com...ian-tv-channel/

[faizan khaliq]

 musharaf did cease fire in 2004 and he let the indians construct barbed fence along LOC  now what is the fun in his talking tough

[Jazba-e-Kashmir]

Indian anchor reaction after Musharraf interview.
http://www.zemtv.com...rraf-interview/

[platinum786]

MANasir - I deleted your previous post. I can't believe you ended it with "respectfully yours". It was full of abuse and racism. I don't expect it to be repeated. Please try to conduct yourself in a manner you would amongst people you respect.

[platinum786]

I'm under no obligation to correct spellings for you. The site isn't particularly mobile friendly on my phone. I have personal commitments outside of the internet, I don't have time to make multiple long replies in 1 day.

As of yet all you've done is grandstand.

[platinum786]

Ooooh on Sunday we'll get all the answers! Well just wow. Up until now the only thing amazing about your content has been the ego behind it. You even write in big bright colours to draw further attention. You even want a sticky thread for your important words...lol

You used to have a whole forum (you advertise it regularly enough). What's the matter, didn't get the cult following you think you deserve? Let's see what's behind all the smoke and mirrors.

[faizan khaliq]

There some troop concentration in Nkyaal sector reported on Indian side ,What can be reasons,may be normal relief of troops is going on or it preparation of incursion.if it is we must destroy it be fire power making sure no single  enemy soldier escapes  

[butterfly]

No, Sunday you will get the first taste!  The reason for the sticky thread is so that we can keep the flow in the "Messiah" series. To put it succintly, I don't want idiots to "fu*k my Sh*t up".  My own FORUM is great with the grace of Allah. I also have a PDF_OPENFORUM@yahoogroups.com, (PDF stands for: Pakistan Defense Forces), however it is by invitation only, it means that you have to be to special to be invited.
 
As I told you guys before, the PAF_OPENFORUM is for military folks. There is no need to preach to the choir. The 'cult' is ready to be let loose--they are itching for action. This is why when I say that I can look someone up; that is my outreach program; my long arms, as some might say.
 
Enjoy your weekend.
 
Nasir

Being humble is a quality liked by all. Being arrogant usually is the start of ones downfall.

[platinum786]

Gambling against Armageddon

 

IN an opinion piece last year, Henry Kissinger observed that over the next couple of decades a nuclear war was likely to take place between India and Pakistan. The nuclear factor was in play in four major and one minor India-Pakistan crises: in 1987, 1990, 1998, 1999 and 2002.

In 1987, when an Indian army chief launched the Brasstacks military exercises along Pakistan’s exposed desert borders, Pakistan responded by deploying its forces in the north where India was vulnerable. Prime minister Rajiv Gandhi’s agreement to a mutual stand-down no doubt also took into account the informal threat from Islamabad to bomb India’s nuclear reactors in case Pakistan was attacked. (After the crisis ended, the Pakistan-India agreement not to attack each other’s nuclear facilities was jointly formulated in one day.)

In January 1990, when the anti-Indian insurgency erupted in Kashmir and India threatened Pakistan, a conflict was forestalled by US intervention. The US acted when it learnt that Pakistan had begun to arm its nuclear-capable aircraft.

The operation of mutual deterrence between India and Pakistan is being eroded.

During the night of 26-27 May 1998 — the night before Pakistan conducted its nuclear explosions in response to India’s tests — Pakistani radar detected unidentified aircraft flying towards its territory. Islamabad issued warnings of instant retaliation to India and relayed these to the US and Israel. This may have been a false alarm; but it illustrates the danger of accidental conflict in the absence of real-time communications.

During the 1999 Kargil war, the nuclear dimension was implicit, given that the crisis occurred a year after the India-Pakistan nuclear tests.

During the 2002 general mobilisation by India and Pakistan, the director general of the Pakistan Armed Forces Special Plans Division enunciated its nuclear ‘doctrine’ in a news interview. The ‘doctrine’ envisaged that Pakistan would use nuclear weapons if: it was being militarily overwhelmed; its nuclear or strategic weapons or facilities were attacked; and it was subjected to an enemy blockade.

The projection of this doctrine, including at a UN news conference by this writer in July 2002, sparked a fall in the Indian Stock Exchange, the evacuation of foreign personnel and embassy families from New Delhi and a demarche by Indian business leaders to prime minister Atal Behari Vajpayee, and reportedly led to the Indian agreement for a mutual drawback of forces.

The operation of mutual deterrence displayed in 2002, however, is being eroded by several developments.

One, the conventional military balance is becoming progressively unfavourable to Pakistan. India is engaged in a major arms build-up. It is the world’s largest arms importer today. It is deploying advanced and offensive land, air and sea weapons systems. Pakistan’s conventional capabilities may not prove sufficient to deter or halt an Indian attack.

Two, India has adopted the Cold Start doctrine envisaging a rapid strike against Pakistan. This would prevent Pakistan from mobilising its conventional defence and thus lower the threshold at which Pakistan may have to rely on nuclear deterrence.

Three, Pakistan has had to deploy over 150,000 troops on the western border due to its involvement in the cross-border counterterrorism campaign in Afghanistan, reducing its conventional defence capacity against India.

Four, the acquisition of foreign nuclear plants and fuel, made possible by the Indo-US civilian nuclear cooperation agreement, will enable India to enlarge its nuclear weapons stockpile significantly. To maintain nuclear balance, Pakistan has accelerated production of fissile materials. Both nuclear arsenals are now large and growing.

Five, given its growing conventional disadvantage, and India’s pre-emptive war fighting doctrine, Pakistan has been obliged to deploy a larger number of nuclear-capable missiles, including so-called ‘theatre’ or tactical nuclear-capable missiles. The nuclear ‘threshold’ is now much lower.

Six, the Kashmir dispute — once described by former US president Bill Clinton as a nuclear flashpoint — continues to fester. Another insurgency is likely to erupt, certainly if the Bharatiya Janata Party government goes ahead with its platform promise to abrogate Article 370 of the Indian constitution (which accords special status to Jammu & Kashmir). A renewed Kashmiri insurgency will evoke Indian accusations against Pakistan and unleash another Indo-Pakistan crisis.

Seven, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has obviously decided to adopt an aggressive posture towards Pakistan, no doubt to appeal to his hard-line Hindu constituency. The recent ceasefire violations along the Line of Control are an ominous indication of such belligerency.

Eight, India is reportedly involved in supporting the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan and the Baloch Liberation Army to destabilise Pakistan internally.

Nine, India has terminated the ‘composite dialogue’ with Pakistan. Its precondition for talks — an “absence of violence” — is impossible for Pakistan to meet.

Ten, the US and other major powers evince little interest in addressing the combustible mix of live disputes, terrorist threats, conventional arms imbalance and nuclear weapons in South Asia.

During the parallel dialogue initiated by the US with Pakistan and India following their 1998 nuclear explosions, Pakistan proposed a ‘strategic restraint regime’ with India which would include mechanisms to resolve disputes, including Kashmir; preserve a conventional arms balance and promote mutual nuclear and missile restraint.

India rejected the concept of a mutual restraint regime.

The US at first agreed to consider Pakistan’s proposal. However, as their talks with India transitioned from restricting India’s nuclear programme to building a “strategic partnership” (against China), the Americans de-hyphenated policy towards Pakistan and India, opened the doors to building India’s conventional and nuclear capabilities and disavowed any interest in the Kashmir dispute. Currently, Indian belligerence is bolstered by US pressure on Pakistan to halt fissile material production and reverse the deployment of theatre nuclear-capable missiles.

If a South Asian Armageddon is to be prevented, it is essential to build a structure of stable deterrence between India and Pakistan and find ways to deal with Kashmir and other outstanding disputes. Reviving consideration of a strategic restraint regime would be a good place to start.

The writer is a former Pakistan ambassador to the UN.

Published in Dawn, October 26th, 2014

 

http://www.dawn.com/...inst-armageddon

[humanist123]

 

If a South Asian Armageddon is to be prevented, it is essential to build a structure of stable deterrence between India and Pakistan and find ways to deal with Kashmir and other outstanding disputes. Reviving consideration of a strategic restraint regime would be a good place to start.

The writer is a former Pakistan ambassador to the UN.

Published in Dawn, October 26th, 2014

 

http://www.dawn.com/...inst-armageddon

 

Yawn ..another threat from Pak establishment .."solve"(which means just give us kashmir as if it were a cigarete or beedi and not giving any recognition to complexity of region with shias, Hindus, budhists, baltisantis etc)  Kashmir or we are crazy enough to risk nuclear holocaust. This is just the sort of irresponsible blackmail politics which got Pakistan where it is.

 

Nuclear threat based politics will not work with India and it is not working with west or China. The only way the threat will work is when Pakistan actually lobs nukes over on India as the crazed manasir was suggesting here. I dont think neither Pak army which surrendered 90,000 soldiers after taking a mere 1000 casualties in 1971  nor Pakistani people who got a lot to live for even under present scenarios are ready for it.

[lamdacore]

MANASIR, on 25 Oct 2014 - 5:11 PM, said:

No, Sunday you will get the first taste!  The reason for the sticky thread is so that we can keep the flow in the "Messiah" series. To put it succintly, I don't want idiots to "fu*k my Sh*t up".  My own FORUM is great with the grace of Allah. I also have a PDF_OPENFORUM@yahoogroups.com, (PDF stands for: Pakistan Defense Forces), however it is by invitation only, it means that you have to be to special to be invited.
 
As I told you guys before, the PAF_OPENFORUM is for military folks. There is no need to preach to the choir. The 'cult' is ready to be let loose--they are itching for action. This is why when I say that I can look someone up; that is my outreach program; my long arms, as some might say.
 
Enjoy your weekend.
 
Nasir

 

 

Being humble is a quality liked by all. Being arrogant usually is the start of ones downfall.

 

Where is this Manasir madman? Today was his deadline...or was it literally his "Dead Line"..hehe.

 

Seriously, all of his topics are gone. Did the admins kick him or did commit suicide? I so wanted to bust him.

[Dizasta]

Where is this Manasir madman? Today was his deadline...or was it literally his "Dead Line"..hehe. Seriously, all of his topics are gone. Did the admins kick him or did commit suicide? I so wanted to bust him.

==========================

 

He was just another gutter-rat indian, talkin trash as usual.

[lamdacore]

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He was just another gutter-rat indian, talkin trash as usual.

 

I suppose. I took the liberty to go to his so called glorious page at PDF_OPENFORUM@yahoogroups.com

 

It turns it has only 40 members and the last post was 7 days ago. It sure looks like a cult where a madman like to be in his little empire.

[platinum786]

I deleted all his rantings and MrX kindly banned him. Other than 1 topic, everywhere else he was abusive to members. 10 years ago I had time to moderate daily, so did the rest of the guys. Who has that time today!

[Skull-Buster]

Huge rally held by Hizbul Mujahideen in Muzaffarabad openly today. Its been a long time since there was such an open display of force by a Kashmiri liberation group in Pakistan. What do you make of it?