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Posted 18 November 2002 - 07:48 PM
well 500 AK's ?? over how many years? india is getting 124 Arjuns and prob same or more T-90's, (confirmed news).
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Posted 18 November 2002 - 08:36 PM
next 3 yr.s ! ( and that was back in 2001 when the production started after the arrival of the first batch of the 300 Transmisions and engines from ukraine)
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Posted 18 November 2002 - 08:39 PM
AT-11 sniper 3000 of these missiles have been brought from countries over seas
What is the source for this?
Here's Vassily Fofanov's site on Ukraine Armor on AT-11.
http://armor.kiev.ua...RM/refleks.html
The 9K119M Refleks-M (AT-11 SNIPER-B) is a guided weapons system launched from the 2A46M main gun of T-80 and T-90 MBTs. The 9K119M system uses beam-riding laser guidance. The tank directs a coded beam from a special gunner's sight, which creates a laser "funnel" with the missile riding in the center. The 9K119M uses the 9M119M missile. The ammunition round is 3UBK20 and consists of the 9M119M missile and the 9Kh949 reduced charge propellant casing with a spacer plug which seats the missile properly into the main gun. The 3UBK20 ammunition fits into the normal autoloader on the tank, and the normal load is 6 missiles. Due to high cost of the system, usually only elite regiments shall have the missiles in a loadout.
You tell me Pakistan found a money growing tree?
How the hell can they afford 3,000 of these man?




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Posted 18 November 2002 - 08:50 PM
cuz if u wont ( which i am very sure off ) ..... then there is no point to it !
anyways .... this is what i found on the short notice!
http://projects.sipr..._MTPS_92_01.pdf
OOOO and my bad ___ its not 3000 missiles .... its 4000 !! ( well almost ) and that is from one country , First order only !
so we can expect even more in the near future ... or recent past ...! haha !
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Posted 18 November 2002 - 08:54 PM
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In production and in service with China, Cyprus, Pakistan (T-80UD or T-84, made in Ukraine), South Korea, Russia and Ukraine.
http://www.google.ca...ang_en&ie=UTF-8
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Posted 18 November 2002 - 09:00 PM
It seems like Pak signed for 315 6-TD2 engines ($150 mill worth) somewhere this may 2002. so it'll take 3 m ore years to get the engines supplied.
Also how many AK's does pak army hav rite now? Janes says PA has 20 of em. the report is fairly new (JDW May 2002 )
Yes PA does has AT-11 Missiles with them, i guess chinese hav their own version which can be fired from their Type 98! also i think AT-11's performance on explosive armour! i guess t-90 and arjun has explosive armours!
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Posted 18 November 2002 - 09:03 PM
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Posted 18 November 2002 - 09:46 PM
Some 300 Al-Khalid tanks will be produced in the coming five years. Side by side with the manufacture of Al-Khalid,
http://www.google.ca...ang_en&ie=UTF-8
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Posted 18 November 2002 - 09:49 PM
Why would I want or need to save it? Its not even an accurate result, how many time have I said that? Your memory aren't that short are you?
Damn you Americans are fxckheads and also damn smart.
Miss their idiot? What idiot? Unless your definition of "idiot" is a person with a mental of age below three years who does year 10 advanced math and english that is....
Stop being bias mate, you really should understand real combat record tends to be not the most accurate.
What? Your racist to Russians? They talk fact, and thats all it counts
I'll back to what I say I'll would rather have a MiG-29A guarding than a F-22.
Oh.. Is this a trap of yours? Well I can tell you that you've trapped a cat, not the tiger....
I'll doubt he'll forget Black Eagle Force...
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Posted 18 November 2002 - 09:58 PM
also need to consider the t-59's upgrade process!
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Posted 18 November 2002 - 10:00 PM
The Sipri document says "Status Uncertain". So you still have no evidence that any of this made into Pak inventory.
Read the Sipri glossary:
http://projects.sipr...onventions.html
It says Any number within parantheses means uncertain or SIPRI estimate
Try again.
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Posted 18 November 2002 - 10:11 PM
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In production and in service with China, Cyprus, Pakistan (T-80UD or T-84, made in Ukraine), South Korea, Russia and Ukraine.
http://www.google.ca...ang_en&ie=UTF-8
then again .... why am i even trying ....... u will continue denying !
so this is the last time,
believe or leave, dont waste my time!
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Posted 18 November 2002 - 10:30 PM
2. Sipri says that the transfer is inconclusive and uncertain.
3. Global Security doesn;t list it in Pak inventory
http://www.globalsec...y-equipment.htm
4. Jane's doesn't list it in Pak's inventory (3,800). It says Pak has a "few"
5. Too expensive and out of Pak's budget.
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Posted 19 November 2002 - 03:16 AM
5. Too expensive and out of Pak's budget.
where are u again? The finance ministry right ? in Pakistan ? u should be, do u even know the unit cost of the system ? if no right now, then STFU ( dont try to find a source, just ask urself, do u even know it? )
U know what, Pak has none, nope no AT-11, but when out of no where the missiles start getting injecting up ur **********, then worry about it right ! it would be great to find out of IA has the same denial attitude! just deny the it ! just deny it. btw the systems were bought from Belarus, which has nothing to do with what ukraine has! SIPRI is just not sure about the #.s! cuz unlike india, no country goes around naked..... ooo look, we got this, .... ooo we may have this ..... etc. etc. Janes gives a few right? and when was this janes updated again! the one u read?
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Posted 19 November 2002 - 08:58 AM
2. Jane's is dated May 2002.
3. Yeah we'll know ifyou guys have 4000 AT-11s, just like those F-16s and F-22s and AWACS etc.

4. Read this site:
http://armor.kiev.ua...RM/refleks.html
Even the Ukraine Army is using it only for elite regiments because of the high cost. But it is easy to see why Pak will use the same missile to quadruple their inventory


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Posted 19 November 2002 - 09:16 AM
link you just gave is 2-3 years old...read the copyright notice1. SIPRI says that the deal itself is inconclusive/unknown.
2. Jane's is dated May 2002.
3. Yeah we'll know ifyou guys have 4000 AT-11s, just like those F-16s and F-22s and AWACS etc.
4. Read this site:
http://armor.kiev.ua...RM/refleks.html
Even the Ukraine Army is using it only for elite regiments because of the high cost. But it is easy to see why Pak will use the same missile to quadruple their inventory![]()

again man..try to understand we cant show off numbers koz then other countries wont shows us dollars...thanx to our corrupt political leaders

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Posted 19 November 2002 - 09:31 AM
Phrozen,link you just gave is 2-3 years old...read the copyright notice1. SIPRI says that the deal itself is inconclusive/unknown.
2. Jane's is dated May 2002.
3. Yeah we'll know ifyou guys have 4000 AT-11s, just like those F-16s and F-22s and AWACS etc.
4. Read this site:
http://armor.kiev.ua...RM/refleks.html
Even the Ukraine Army is using it only for elite regiments because of the high cost. But it is easy to see why Pak will use the same missile to quadruple their inventory![]()
again man..try to understand we cant show off numbers koz then other countries wont shows us dollars...thanx to our corrupt political leaders(
People like you can't READ!
I said that Jane's info is May 2002.
The link I gave was to illustrate that AT-11s are so expensive even for Ukraine's army then how can Pak buy them to make their inventory 5 times the size!
Next time pick up some reading comprehension skills

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Posted 19 November 2002 - 04:05 PM
The link I gave was to illustrate that AT-11s are so expensive even for Ukraine's army then how can Pak buy them to make their inventory 5 times the size!
well's ukraine's army isnt the 5th largest armoured Army on the planet .... B)
and its like saying that Egypt cannont have 80 K-8s cuz Pakistan and China combined dont have that much !
anyways the sale from Belarus and not ukraine !
plus the #. in one army has nothing to with the # in the other army!
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Posted 19 November 2002 - 04:10 PM
This is just one more on the list of wet dreams - F-22s, JSF, Awacs etc...
I'm pretty sure Pak got a few AT-11s along with the T-80s from Ukraine but 3,800 is BS!
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Posted 19 November 2002 - 05:35 PM
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Posted 19 November 2002 - 05:40 PM
And you keep dreaming about it. Not that it mattersyep .... keep denying it .... not that ur whininy little ass matters anyways !

BTW, why did you delete the Kargil thread yesterday?
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Posted 19 November 2002 - 05:51 PM
prove your tall claims...nope ameer....army is gonna procure it and they placed the order!
Edited by Ameer Kiani, 19 November 2002 - 05:51 PM.
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Posted 19 November 2002 - 06:09 PM
http://www.globalsec...india/arjun.htm
"The first 120 tanks to be built would cost $4.2 million each, while other cost estimates places the figure at $5.6 million each per tank by 2001, given a purchase of 124 tanks to equip two regiments. Production of the first batch of tanks might take more than the planned five years, given the capacity at the Avadi factory."
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