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[Saqib]

Brother AU,

Just an advice for you.

Dont waste your time and energy on a used condom like Musharraf. .Pakistan has much more important issues than Musharraf.

Musharraf ne jo Pakistan ke sath karna tha kar liya ab siraf usne apne gunahon ka hisab dena hai Pakistan ko.

This coward does not even have the courage to come back and he neither has any political future in Pakistan. With his "Pardesi League" he may become a President of Pakistanis in UK, US or Canada but in Pakistan he has no takers except some "enlightened" ones and we all know how much they count.

I dont know if you are new on PDF but this forum was rabidly pro-Musharraf in early years and as they say old habbits die hard so it will take some time when this forum will be cleansed from his "baqiyat"

[Salim]

OK so according to you, anyone telling the truth is a Musharraf Hater? Well then dear see the poles yourself and decide. I for one am neither Mushi lover nor hater dude.

What you mean by ‘according to me, anyone telling truth is Musharraf hater’?

Anyhow, I do not consider Musharraf haters are all liar or truthful. To me:

There are people who hate Musharraf because of ideological reasons (they might be Kharjees or support Kharjees) and not because of Musharraf being financially corrupt, gave mismanagement, or anything to do with his governance. [I personally know many like them]

There are people who hate Musharraf because of financial reason and lost opportunities as they were corrupts in politics or government service and due to crackdown on corruption during Musharraf rule did not manage to do much corruption. I personally know many such people like them. Actually, quite a few complained to me during Musharraf rule that time is hard for them as they could not even spend money they have (they accumulated from corruption before Musharraf came to power), as they believe military intelligence are all around them looking for people living excessively beyond their means.

On the other hand, I met many top political personalities and top personalities in bureaucracy who even though hated Musharraf due to their personal loss of opportunity, they all appreciated progress Pakistan was seeing and works getting done in Pakistan during Musharraf rule.

I also met many ordinary people who had their grievances on religious ground (being TTP supporters) still most acknowledged the fact that Pakistan is doing good financially and they are also personally doing good financially, rather accepting that they never had time as good before in their life. All were very optimistic about Pakistan economics during Musharraf period.

Example: In 1999, minimum pay in Pakistan (usually observed for government servants) was around Rs 1200 or around $22 a month. Neither pay nor pension was index linked in 1999. In 2008, minimum pay in Pakistan (again, usually observed for government servants) increased to around Rs 5000 or over $90 a month. That comes to over 4 times ‘dollar term’ increase in 9 years. Pakistanis never in Pakistani history seen such pay increases in dollar terms. Further, pay as well as pension got linked with inflation during Musharraf time.

Unfortunately, I believe during 2 years of democrazy rule, pay in 2010 increased to around Rs 7000 or $80 a month (in 2010). That is actually 10 percent decrease in two years (in dollar terms).

In 1999 population of Pakistan was around 130 million and National debt was $70 billion ($40 billion external and $30 billion internal). GDP of Pakistan was $62 billion. That means, each Pakistani had per capita income of around $480, and debt on his head of around $520.

In 2008 population of Pakistan was around 170 million and National debt was $77 billion ($40 billion external and $37 billion internal). GDP of Pakistan was $186 billion. That means each Pakistani had per capita income of around $1090 and debt on his head of around $450.

I think that was nice recovery in 9 years from bankruptcy to prosperity during Mushrraf rule. Pakistan also paid all IMF debt in 2004 during Musharraf rule and came out of IMF programs that started in 1973/74 (when Z A Bhutto took Pakistan to IMF) and stayed in IMF programs continuously since then.

Officially (accepted by Pakistani statisticians, World Bank, IMF and other world organisation) Pakistan reduced poverty level from 34 percent in 1999 to 17 percent in 2008, a good progress during Musharraf rule of 9 years.

Note: Pakistan defaulted on their external loan in late 1998 as well as in early 1999 (or twice in two years under Nawaz Lanati the thug).

Once democrazies came to power: In 2010 population of Pakistan is around 180 million. National debt now stands at around $100 billion (around $57 billion external and around $44 billion internal). GDP of Pakistan is around $180 billion. That means each Pakistani has per capita income of around $1000 and debt on his head of around $560. Poverty has increased to around 34 percent again. Shows deterioration has started though situation is not too bad yet but direction is certainly bad. Pakistan went back to IMF after Musharraf left and today is under IMF program again.

I am only Muslim first and then a Pakistani who fears the day Allah will raise him amoung the one he loved and supported.
Do you want come in front of Allah with him and share his deeds?

I am not ‘Allah’ that I would start judging deed of a person in front of Allah. Only Kharjees do that. For me, only Allah has that right and I leave all judgments to Allah, where each and every individual would be responsible of their own deeds. I do not know where a person would stand in front of Allah as Allah is the best judge of his likes and dislikes regarding his creation.

Anyhow, according to my understanding of Islam, I believe Musharraf is much better Muslim and better placed in front of Allah then Kharjees and their supporters.

Besides, care to elaborate your aligations with some supported material from any source? He loves Khuwirji right, alright prove it!!!!!!!

I consider TTP are Kharjees and I have read as well as heard ‘Haroon Rasheed’ on TV showing his sympathy towards TTP, so I consider him supporter of Kharjees.

All mushy haters are doing topi drama, to do what?? Please elaborate and what is Mushy doing AND DID. Please ellaborate that too.

I did not say ‘All’, I wrote that there is a large group who are doing topi-drama when they show hate for Musharraf. That means, there are people who show on TV, media as well as in their life that they hate Musharraf, but in reality they damn care or acting that they hate Musharraf. Some are showing hate for political reasons, some are showing hate because they are paid to do so, some are showing hate to make their superiors in politics or in corrupt relation happy, some are showing hate to woo certain group of Pakistanis who are against Musharraf on ideological ground (ex: Kharjees), some are showing hate to give comfort to those corrupts who suffered during Musharraf time, ect, ect. ect.

Come on wake up, look at the poles and tell me how do you feel about that.

Tu ajji man tasha, wa tu zillu man tasha "and whom he (Allah) he wants makes respectable and to whom he wishes bestows disgrace onto"

No doubt that respect (Izzat) and disgrace (Zillat) is in the hands of Allah and no one can deny that. Certainly Allah has given a lot of Izzat to Musharraf as he is the only Pakistani ‘head of State’ who got ‘guard of honour’ when leaving office. Even today, Musharraf is getting royal treatment in UK where Pakistan army has supplied him security, Pakistan government is supplying him security, as well as British government is making sure of his security. Before Musharraf, all Pakistani ‘head of state’ left Power in disgrace.

Musharraf is the only Pakistani head of state who was not sacked or deposed, but left power willingly at the time of his choice. Even at time of leaving office of Power willingly, army was standing behind him and he was powerful enough to sack sitting government. Even today, there are millions of Pakistanis who love and give respect to Musharraf and it is that reason many of his supporters pushed Musharraf back into Politics. Obviously, all this is from Allah.

As for some trying their hard to disgrace Musharraf; that happens with everyone Allah has given respect. That is obvious, as 'jahan farishtay Allah nay paidah kiya hain wohan Shaitan bhie paidah kiya hain' .

Care telling me anything similar to such corruption of Mushy from Imran Khan?

Game on buddy, I am here.

Well, I have no knowledge that Musahrraf has done any corruption so how can I tell something you are asking? I do not know why you brought 'Imran Khan' and asked me about his corruption as if Imran Khan to you is Saint. So, here it is:

Imran Khan has shown that he is 'bikao maal' (for sale) from day one and can sell Pakistan anytime if price is right. This man has abandoned his own child for his personal career, bigger fish (Jamiamah was bigger fish than Sita White), and ego. Pakistan gave him ‘Izzat’ by giving him place in Pakistan cricket team, but when ‘Kerry Parker came with his cricket circus’ throwing handful of dollars to cricketers so to attract immoral cricketers so that they leave their national team and join his circus, Imran immediately left Pakistan and joined Kerry Parker circus for money. Imran throughout was looking for rich girls in British discos (offering himself as gigolo) so to become rich through them and found plenty in Goldie Hawn, Zeenat Aman, Sita White, Jamaimah Goldsmith, etc, etc, etc. Today he lives luxuriously ‘on his gigolo exploit’ in huge farmhouse and spends freely, when he himself earned very little nor has any known source of income to justify such life (cricket was not a highly paid game when Imran use to play and many of his compatriot cricketers are struggling)

[Asian Union]

Beneficiaries of Musharraf’s politics of plots

Top bureaucrats in Pakistan have emerged as the main beneficiaries of plot allotments since the days of military ruler Pervez Musharraf. Dozens of lucky bureaucrats even managed to get two plots of 500 square yards each in the pricey sectors of Islamabad quite in the same way as 14 Supreme Court judges. The latter category of beneficiaries received their plots in the up-market I-8, G-13 and G-14 sectors of the federal capital after framing a questionable policy tailor-made to suit them as well as their powerful collaborators in the judiciary. According to a report published in The Express Tribune, a total of about 7,000 plots were allotted since Musharraf came to power.

http://www.gulf-time...mp;parent_id=23

[Asian Union]

Humiliation for PPP Government.

Pervez Musharraf will not respond to questionnaire on Benazir Bhutto's murder

Nov 24, 2010, 19:32 IST
Place: ISLAMABAD | Agency: PTI

Pervez Musharraf will not respond to any questionnaire sent to him by Pakistani authorities regarding security lapses linked to former premier Benazir Bhutto's assassination, a close aide of the former president has said.

Chaudhry Fawad, who is also Musharraf's legal adviser, told the media that the former president will simply decline to receive the questionnaire.

Officials of the Federal Investigation Agency (FIA), which is probing the gun-and-bomb attack that killed Bhutto in December 2007, have said that they have framed a 32-point questionnaire that they intend to send to Musharraf, currently living in self-exile in Britain.

"Gen Pervez Musharraf will not respond to the questions sent by the FIA and rather he will decline to receive the questionnaire," said Fawad, who functions as a spokesperson for Musharraf's new political party, the All Pakistan Muslim League.

Fawad also said the former president enjoys immunity from criminal prosecution under Article 248 of the Constitution and is legally not bound to answer any question.

He said the government talks about immunity when it comes to corruption cases instituted against incumbent President Asif Ali Zardari before his election to the office but wants Musharraf to answer questions sent by the FIA.

This, he claimed, was "simply ridiculous".

Musharraf was head of the state and "not directly linked to the security of personalities", Fawad said.

"In legal terms, the security of Benazir Bhutto was the responsibility of the federal government of the time, which was not headed by Musharraf. The interior minister of the time was responsible for security matters," he said.

Noting that incumbent interior minister Rehman Malik was security adviser to Bhutto, Fawad asked whether Malik too had been sent any questionnaire by the FIA.

He argued that people who were the closest to Bhutto at the time of her assassination and those who were concerned with her security should be questioned first.

Musharraf has not been formally charged for or linked in any way to perceived security lapses that might have resulted in Bhutto's killing.

http://www.dnaindia....-murder_1471487

[Asian Union]

People who completely embrace Musharraf with all his goods and bads, mainly fall into below categories:

1. People who are in their 70s now and happened to be failure in their lives
2. People who fell victim to the propaganda of 'illusion' i.e. a change which is positive cosmetically yet destructive in long term AND goes completely against Islam
3. People who like kanjar khana, bayghairti, are brown nose, have inferiority complex, have no courage or skills to stand tall, are still slaves since 1857 and believe the way to success is only by licking western a$$es
4. Are educated white collar 'corrupts' i.e. turn blind eye when it comes to NRO as if it never happened, support Altaf Hussain, support corrupt chahdaries just because they were with Musharraf
5. Are relative of Musharraf, are relatives of people who got positions and posts during Musharraf's 9 year topi drama
6. Are pagans, neo liberals, ultra seculars who feel shame in todays' time calling themselves Muslims, feel shame for standing and fighting for the right of Muslims, feel shame in showing west the mirror, feel shame whenever it comes to doing 'jihad by sword' against injustice, love to stray away from Tawheed (the first and core pillar of Islam) yet have no problem in adopting hindu, pagan and idolworhsipping activities including sex in the name of 'modernism' and 'modern religion'
7. Are the descendants of traitors who did treason to Muslims throughout the Islamic history i.e. against Muslims by siding with Mongols, by siding with Europe against Turks, by siding with British in 1857 against endian Muslims and of course today by siding with America in today's crusade against Muslims of Iraq, Palestine and above all Afghanistan

+1

That categories in sum called, 'neo-Musharraf cabal' aka 'idol worshippers'.

Brother AU,

Just an advice for you.

Dont waste your time and energy on a used condom like Musharraf. .Pakistan has much more important issues than Musharraf.

Musharraf ne jo Pakistan ke sath karna tha kar liya ab siraf usne apne gunahon ka hisab dena hai Pakistan ko.

This coward does not even have the courage to come back and he neither has any political future in Pakistan. With his "Pardesi League" he may become a President of Pakistanis in UK, US or Canada but in Pakistan he has no takers except some "enlightened" ones and we all know how much they count.

I dont know if you are new on PDF but this forum was rabidly pro-Musharraf in early years and as they say old habbits die hard so it will take some time when this forum will be cleansed from his "baqiyat"

+1 and agree to your points and will adhere to them.

Also thanks for the advice, appreciated fully but plz respect Musharraf as a human being, and not equate him to a condom.

Factually, Mushy is a Coward who bends over when his western masters calls him and now he is being looked after while at the same time Zardari and Nawaz their ex-puppets are to complete the unfinished work of Pakistan.

[Chief of army staff]

here is another video of WHERE we were and now WHERE we are now!

http://www.youtube.c...layer_embedded#!

Pro poor policies were in the times of Mushy the Great and there are MANY hard core facts that NO ONE can deny! This video is just a SMALL sample of these hardcore facts!

Aur lao democrazy!

Pakistan WAS NEVER A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY, IT IS NOT A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY AND IT WILL NEVER BE A DEMOCRATIC COUNTY.
DEMOCRACY IS A BIGGEST FAILURE IN Pakistan.

[Chief of army staff]

Weep Pakistan Weep

Evidence of Musharraf's Family Corruption

From Ehtesab

www.ehtesab.org

Musharraf's Close Relative Paid in Rs 7bn Motorway project

ISLAMABAD: The first solid proof of involvement of General Pervez Musharraf’s close relative, his son Bilal’s father in law, in a multi-billion rupee road construction contract, has come to light.

The proof was provided by the owner of the construction company, Husnain Construction, at a news conference at the M-3 Motorway site near Islamabad last week. Surprisingly it has remained buried without any discussion in the mainstream Pakistani media, although leading newspaper Dawn published portions of the incriminating statement on Sept 26 in a very subdued manner, hiding the disclosures under a positive statement by the National Highway Authority Chairman, Major General Farrukh Javed.

In just under 5 weeks after SA Tribune broke the scandal of General Musharraf’s “Golfway” Project, a mix of the Rs 25 billion Golf Course in Lahore and the Rs 7 billion Pindi-Peshawar Motorway, Brig (Retd) Aftab Siddiqui’s was confirmed to be the big beneficiary. The proof came from the Horse Owner’s mouth, if not the Horse himself.

The SA Tribune first reported in our Aug 26 issue that Musharraf's "Golfway" project, conceived and launched by an ex-ISI chief, held secret from the public for ‘national security reasons’ had a real connection with his close relatives. http://www.satribune...apevinecomm.htm

On Sept 9, it was reported that the in-laws of Musharraf’s son were reportedly flying out of Pakistan “lock, stock and barrel” after their names were revealed in the Motorway project. http://www.satribune...apewinecomm.htm

These were Sa Tribune reports. Now comes the surprising statement by Sheikh Yousaf, owner of Husnain Construction, which is the contractor for the Pindi-Peshawar Motorway project, also known as M-3. He spoke to journalists at a Press conference and admitted everything, as reported in Pakistan’s leading Daily ‘Dawn’ on Sept 25, 2002.

Dawn’s Islamabad Staff reporter said: “Sheikh Yousaf explained the phases for which his company passed for converting the M-3 project from the Built, Operate and Transfer (BOT) plan to the government funded project.”

“When asked as to how much his company had been helped by Brig (Retd) Aftab Siddiqui father-in-law (of General Musharraf’s son), Bilal Musharraf, he said the gentleman had worked with his company as a consultant.”

“Mr Yousaf said it was originally agreed that he would get two per cent of the profit from the project for 25 years, but since the project had been converted to a government funded plan, Aftab Siddiqui was no longer with his company. The cost of M-3 is Rs7 billion.”

“He, however, said Mr Siddiqui had been paid for the 'services' which he rendered, but refused to give more details... Everything was documented, and the payments to Mr Siddiqui had been made through cheques the copies of which had been provided to "a number of government departments," he said.”

The Dawn report then added a dramatic twist: “Then his son (Sheikh Yousaf’s son) rushed to the stage and asked Mr Yousaf not to answer more queries on the subject.”

Still, “Mr Yousaf said the company was heading the consortium of the Pakistani construction companies called PAMIC, and added that they were completing the project to show that the country had the expertise to construct the motorway. He said it was the first contract of its kind which had no escalation clause.”

“When asked as to how many projects his company had fetched in the period of military government, he avoided giving straight answer, and said that whatever his company had got was on merit. He admitted that he had purchased about a dozen sick industrial units.”

The dramatic Press conference raised a plethora of questions which are begging for answers. The Chairman of the company confirmed that Bilal’s father in law “had been paid for his services”, which in other words means he had delivered his part of the contract. And since he is no longer with the Company, it can be safely guessed that he is enjoying the two per cent somewhere, may be in US.

Sheikh Yousaf, revealed that Bilal’s Father-in-Law had been paid through cheques and copies had been given to various departments of the Government. That would make the job of future Accountability Bureaus much easier, it seems.

Then he was asked a very pertinent question. How many contracts his company had fetched during the Musharraf Regime? This apparently puzzled him and he could not give a straight answer. He still did not realize that some smart reporter was trying to trap him. But his son rushed to the stage and stopped him from making more disclosures.

But his answer, reported in Dawn, at least gave an insight of how much they had already made. “He admitted that he had purchased about a dozen sick industrial units,” was his reply to one question. This seems to be an impressive record which would beat any Sharif or Zardari hands down.

However many questions are now being raised. What are the rates at which he has purchased these units? Who else bid for them? What were the terms of purchase? Was there any competitive bidding? Was any undue government influence used for these purchases? What was the role of Bilal Musharraf’s father-in-law in these purchases? Is this not corruption? Is this what General Musharraf means by good governance?

Musharraf’s Corruption – Silence is Acceptance

Monday, February 15, 2010
By Syed Nayyar Uddin Ahmad

Your Majesty has always been preaching against corruption. But, people say you connived with the corrupt on many occasions.

One example they give, is the privatization case of UBL. When, in the first instance, Mr. S.A. & his cabinet approved its sale for Rs. 8 billion. However, when Dr. Shahid Masood agitated the case on ARY TV, you directed the PM to cancel the bid & go for rebidding. This time, UBL was sold for Rupees. 12 billion.

However, this case proves beyond any shadow of doubt that earlier there was a minimum corruption of Rupees. 4 billion, when the bank was FINALLY approved for sale by the PM & the cabinet, but, for the agitation of ARY TV, the plan of the corrupt people failed.

The Question to your honour is that, why did you not order action against the PM, cabinet & officials involved in manipulating the sale of UBL by a minimum amount of Rupees. 4 billion.

Your silence & inaction at that time, against corrupt people, is a big question mark in this case.

Sir, had I been in your place, the minimum I would have done, was to have asked the NAB to conduct an inquiry in this episode of an attempt to rob the nation, right under the nose of a so called honest & upright president.

Your honour, can you tell us why in this case you kept silent, in favour of corrupt people vs. the nation of which you were the president?

http://www.haqeeqat....-is-acceptance/



This unlists the real reasons why ARMY and Generals do what they do to keep corruption alive:

Musharraf's corruption crackdown 'failing'

When Pakistan's President Musharraf mounted his coup he vowed to rid the country of corruption and told the Pakistani people that: "the process of accountability will be transparent for the public to see."

Two years and three months later many believe the military regime is letting the corrupt go free.

According to Farhan Bokhari of the Financial Times "most businessmen now believe the commitment to attack corruption has become weaker."

"The view is that if you are corrupt and give up part of the wealth that you earned from corruption you get away scot free."

In recent weeks two senior retired military officers have been set free after reaching deals to pay back a percentage of their ill-gotten gains.

Vested interests

The regime does have reasons to protect the corrupt. In the first place senior officers are reluctant to see their colleagues go to jail.

Secondly, the threat of corruption charges enables the army to control the civilian politicians ahead of this year's promised elections.

General Musharraf has said that he will remain President after the elections.

He wants to prevent the politicians from demanding too big a share in power.

And some politicians who have already accommodated themselves to the military regime have had their corruption cases dropped.

Clear message

Raza Rabbani from the Pakistan People's Party believes the message is clear.

"It will be a continuous process in which the accountability process is used mercilessly so that a kings party of corrupt politicians can be put together," he said.

The military deny the charge. President Musharraf's spokesman, General Rashid Qureshi insists the military regime is more honest than its civilian predecessors.

And he says the army is still determined to pursue the corrupt. "The more powerful the person in the bureaucracy the tougher we've been," he said.

http://news.bbc.co.u...sia/1777889.stm

GREAT WORK! shabash or jootay maar issay.

[Asian Union]

Pervez Musharraf can be hanged on Kargil investigations: Ziauddin Butt

New Delhi: Every day some new revelations are coming to the fore regarding the Kargil war which has put the former President of Pakistan General Pervez Musharraf in a tight spot.

People in Pakistan are demanding an inquiry against Musharraf for being directly involved and pushing the country to war with India. If the Pakistani government agrees to the demand and the inquiry holds Musharraf guilty then he may face death penalty.

Meanwhile, former ISI Director General Ziauddin Butt has clearly said that Musharraf has on several occasions given misleading information to the country regarding Kargil war and none of his statements are trustworthy. In a seminar, Butt went a step ahead and said that after the inquiry no one can save Musharraf from being awarded death penalty. He also termed retired Colonel Ashfaq Hussain’s book ‘Witness to Blunder’ as concrete evidence against Pervez Musharraf.

Notably, Ashfaq Hussain had recently revealed that Gen Pervez Musharraf on March 28, 1999 had crossed the Line of Control (LoC) in a helicopter and spent a night at a location 11km inside Indian territory. Hussain in his book has accused Musharraf of forcing war on Pakistan. He has also blamed Musharraf for refusing to recognise the dead bodies of his soldiers and take them back.

Meanwhile, various political parties and the people in Pakistan seem to have opened front against Musharraf. Probably this is why Musharraf who has been living in exile in London for past many years is hesitant in returning to Pakistan.

Musharraf has however denied the allegations leveled against him and has instead blamed India for violating the LoC and pushing Pakistan to war. He has also raised fingers on the then Prime Minister of Pakistan Nawaz Sharif for not cooperating with him and the army during Kargil war.
http://post.jagran.c...butt-1359784782

[Asian Union]

Musharraf could be hanged, if found guilty of Kargil fiasco;
http://daily.bhaskar.com/


New Delhi: The revelations about Kargil caught everyone off-guard in Pakistan and have left everyone asking questions about the truth behind Kargil war of 1999.

A leading Pakistani Daily, Dawn said that country deserves to know the truth behind Kargil "Fiasco". The article demanded a clear picture of the events and people responsible for the war that led to the death of hundreds of Pakistani soldiers and damaged ties with India.

Former General Pervez Musharraf is in the eye of the storm after it was revealed that he crossed the Line of Control and entered the Indian Territory. Demands for a complete revelation about the Kargil War have intensified, since the facts came to light.

Some quarters are demanding that the culprit should be brought to justice.

Former Director General of Pakistan, Ziyauddin Bhatt, has said that if the matter is investigated properly, Musharraf could face death sentence for his 'misadventures of 1999'.

Musharraf denies all allegations

However, a defiant and unperturbed Musharraf is defending all the allegations levied on him.

Musharraf has denied all allegations. He said that Mujhideen entered the Indian Territory.

Indian army entered the Pakistani territory as they tried to oust the infiltrators. Pakistan army retaliated in self-defence and shot down one Indian army fighter jet.

He said it was a classified operation and blamed Nawaz sharif for the loss of Kargil War. He said that Sharif lost everything that army had won.

He is currently staying in UK, in exile.

Witness to Blunder: The book that revealed all

A book by Hussain- 'Witness to Blunder' revealed facts related to the attack on Kargil. In the book Hussain wrote, On 18 December, 1999 Captain Nadeem, Captain Ali and Hawaldar Lalak Jaan crossed the LoC for the first time, to conduct the recee operation.

On 28 March, 1999, Pervez Musharraf went 11km inside the Indian Territory on a helicopter, and spent an entire night. He was accompanied by Colonel Amjad Shabbir.

The post on which Musharraf landed is known as 'Zakriya Mustakar', according to the books.

The book also says that even Pakistan's PM Nawaz Sharif was kept in the dark about the incident and he came to know of the attack when Indian PM Atal Bihari Vajpayee phoned him.

The expose

Last month, a retired Pakistani army officer made startling revelations when he alleged that regular Pakistani soldiers took part in Operation Kargil.

"The whole truth about Kargil is yet to be known. We await the stories of forgotten starved soldiers hiding behind cold desolate rocks, with empty guns still held in their hands. What stood them there could only be a love higher than that of life. Some refused to withdraw even when ordered, and stayed to fight the proverbial last man last round. Such precious blood spilled without cause!", said retired Lt Gen Shahid Aziz in a leading Pakistani daily The Nation. (To read more on that click here.)

Kargil War- A secret operation

No objective public record of the operation exists. The official Pakistani figures stands at, 353-453.

"Not taking the senior leadership into confidence, both within the army and in the other armed forces, had obvious consequences: the lack of a viable strategy, inadequate logistical planning and a poor calculation of the Indian response, all of which cost Pakistan the lives of hundreds of soldiers, further damaged relations with India and contributed to the political upheaval that followed," the article added.

The Kargil War faced severe criticism from within. The war lasted for close to three months and led to huge casualties on both sides of the border. To date, it is also the only instance of direct, conventional warfare between nuclear states.

http://daily.bhaskar.com/

[Asian Union]

Breaking News PM is a murderer...

Ex-president Pervez Musharraf amid 7 accused indicted in BB murder case

Posted: August 20, 2013

Ex-president Pervez Musharraf amid 7 accused indicted in BB murder case

RAWALPINDI: Seven accused including former president General (retired) Pervez Musharraf has been indicted in the Benazir Bhutto assassination case on Tuesday here, Geo News reported.

General (retired)Pervez Musharraf was brought to the Rawalpindi Anti-Terrorism Court (ATC) from sub-jail in Chak Shahzad in stiff security arrangements.

ATC Judge Chaudhry Habibur Rahman was hearing the case here.

During the hearing, the eight pages charge sheet was read to him, which Pervez Musharraf denied. He was chaged for murder, terrorism and under explosives Act, sources said.

Pervez Musharraf was indicted on three counts over the 2007 murder of the opposition leader Benazir Bhutto, a public prosecutor said. "He was charged with murder, criminal conspiracy for murder and facilitation for murder," Chaudhry Azhar told AFP.

The court after denial of the framed charges by Pervez Musharraf sought evidences from the prosecutor and adjourned the hearing until August 27.

Saud Aziz, Khurran Shahzad, Abdul Rashid, Sher Zaman, Rafaqat Hussain and Husnain Gul were the other accused also indicted.

http://geo.tv/latest-news

[aamirzs]

Pervez Musharraf's lawyer Afsha Adil: "There is no evidence on record...These are all fabricated cases"

[Asian Union]

The rat who ran away from court, declaring heart problems: true coward comes back after Qadri-PML-N fight, to take advantage of the situation:

 

http://www.dailymoti...on_news?start=1

[SLD10]

I do not understand... is it Musharaff fault if we, Pakistani awam, have not been, are not and will not be able to build a strong nation due to our jahiliat ?

 

Yes it is always funny to select one head to bash for everything which gone wrong. Congrats to Pakistani awam, to its jahiliat, to its stupidity !

[MoThSmOkE]

Give it a rest. 

 

Musharraf came back to Pakistan to face the courts. That in itself shows he isnt a coward.

 

He is history now. Tried to dance with the devils. Should have known better. Give this thread a rest.

[blueazure]

mushaarf is not the issue here. 

 

the issue is the long march and qadri , and PML(n) idiots .

 

 

they can do all they want and yet still not punish him, army cannot allow this under any cost

 

let mush go, simple as that, if not , its ganja who will be boarding the plane in a week for jeddah, and this time , he wont get a return ticket 

[MoThSmOkE]

Musharraf will continue facing the courts. I think that is a good precedent for other rulers.

 

As for the long march, its hard to tell. Will the PTI and PAT be able to dislodge PML-N, I doubt. 

 

PML-N will continue looting (with PPP consent) unabated.

[joshi]

Talking about 'Musharraf Deeds' it seems that the only thing we learnt from so called democracy since 2008 is that all the 'Musharraf Deeds' that led to his downfall have been TOTALLY JUSTIFIED. 

[Asian Union]

What Musharraf has Chief and President did to General Ahsan Ahmed, sad

 

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