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I have seen General ® Hameed Gul on the tele quiet often and read his interviews in the newspapers etc. and I’m sure many of you too have seen him on many channels and stuff. I know he was the head of ISI during B.B.’s time and also was involved closely in the Afghan Jihad. However, there is little I know about him, his military career and other stuff [details about the his involvement in the Afghan Jihad etc]. I read somewhere that he was called one of the most dangerous men in Pakistan by some Israelis source [I think] etc.
I would really appreciate it if someone would give more information about him.
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In case I forgot here is it is... Asalaamualikum
"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)
Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]
Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]
Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."
the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”
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"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)
Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]
Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]
Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."
the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”
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Posted 08 January 2007 - 09:52 AM
dont know
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just for that, the ISI will have to find you, and give you a "talking to"
J/King LOL
just for that, the ISI will have to find you, and give you a "talking to"
J/King LOL
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Posted 08 January 2007 - 11:07 AM
some call him an excellent leader in ISi while others call him mediocre. He retired from the agency
in 1991.
These days he mostly gives entertaining interviews.
in 1991.
These days he mostly gives entertaining interviews.
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Posted 08 January 2007 - 11:40 AM
QUOTE(dargay @ Jan 8 2007, 12:07 PM) 
some call him an excellent leader in ISi while others call him mediocre. He retired from the agency
in 1991.
These days he mostly gives entertaining interviews.
respected the guy but then something happened. he started giving as my friend dargay pointed out "entertainment interviews". Now i cant take him seriously.
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Something from wikipedia:
Lt. General Hamid Gul (Urdū: لیفٹننٹ جنرل حمید گل) (retired) was born in Sargodha, Punjab, British India (now Pakistan).
General Hamid Gul was Director General of Pakistan's ISI (Inter Services Intelligence Directorate) when Benazir Bhutto was Prime Minister of Pakistan. A staunch Islamist, he was instrumental in the anti-Soviet Afghan Jihad and in establishing the Taliban. He also is a vehement supporter of the Kashmir insurgency against India. Gul worked hand in glove with the American CIA during the Soviet Occupation and considered them to be close allies. He has since moderated his views on the United States after what he claims to be many broken promises and betrayals.
God will destroy America, says Hamid Gul ( Retired Pakistan General ) Daily Times, Pakistan ^ | August 30, 2003 | Khalid Hasan
He views the war on terror as a war against Islam and regards Osama Bin Laden as a Muslim hero.
Hamid Gul quotes
On India
"I am not anti-India. I am against the imperial streak in the Indian psyche. The 1947 riots had a deep impact on my mind. The Indians always lean towards imperial powers."
"India will give its land when it will be divided into many pieces. India will have to be break. If India does not give us our land we will go to war and divide India."
Gul claims the only reason that Pakistan has not dismembered India already is because of the possible consequences for Indian Muslims. (rediff.com Feb 2004)
On America
"We are not afraid of the Americans; they can't fight on the ground. We are only concerned about their high-altitude bombers."
"I turned against America because they betrayed the Afghan nation." (rediff.com Feb 2004)
On Israel and 9/11
"Mossad and its accomplices [are the 9/11 culprits]. The U.S. spends $40 billion a year on its 11 intelligence agencies. That's $400 billion in 10 years. Yet the Bush Administration says it was taken by surprise. I don't believe it. Within 10 minutes of the second twin tower being hit in the World Trade Center CNN said Osama bin Laden had done it. That was a planned piece of disinformation by the real perpetrators." (UPI United Press International, Sep. 26, 2001).
Pakistan Stands on 9/11
Gen. Gul, known for his colourful language and what many consider "imaginative theories," went on to declare, "The Muslim world must stand united to confront the U.S. in its so-called war against terror which is in reality a war against Muslims. Let’s destroy America wherever its troops are trapped." If President Pervez Musharraf concedes President George Bush’s demand to send 15,000 Pakistani peacekeeping soldiers to Iraq, it would amount to "political suicide," according to The Washington Times.
U can find an interview dated march 2004 here:
http://www.pbs.org/f...pakistan/d.html
Some more info:
Hamid Gul participated in the following events as an active participant:
April 1987: Hamid Gul Becomes Head of ISIGen. Hamid Gul is made head of Pakistan’s ISI. General Gul is a favorite of CIA Station Chief Milt Bearden and US ambassador to Pakistan Arnie Raphel, who view him as an ally and a potential national leader of Pakistan. According to Bearden, however, he will later (sometime after 1990) turn against the US. Evidence will later appear that in the late 1990s Gul is somehow able to give the Taliban advanced warning of US attempts to assassinate bin Laden with missile strikes. In 2004, allegations will appear in the US media that Gul was a key participant in the 9/11 plot and“bin Laden’s master planner”
July 1999: Ex-ISI Head Is Providing Taliban Information on US Missile Launches
Hamid Gul. The US gains information that former ISI head Hamid Gul contacts Taliban leaders at this time and advises them that the US is not planning to attack Afghanistan to get bin Laden. He assures them that he will provide them three or four hours warning of any future US missile launch, as he did “last time.” Counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke later suggests Gul gave al-Qaeda warning about the missile strike in August 1998.
Hamid Gul participated in the following events as a passive participant:
August 20, 1998: ISI Alerts the Taliban to Incoming Missiles Targeting Their Shared Training CampsThe US missile strike on Afghanistan on this day inadvertently reveals connections between al-Qaeda and the ISI. Two of the four camps in Afghanistan hit had strong connections to the ISI, and five ISI officers and some twenty trainees are killed. The US also loses the element of surprise. General Joseph Ralston, the vice-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was purposely scheduled to eat dinner with General Jehangir Karamat, the Pakistani Army’s chief of staff, in Islamabad, Pakistan the night of the missile strike. At one point during the dinner, Ralston looks at his watch and announces that in ten minutes about sixty cruise missiles will be entering Pakistan’s airspace on their way to Afghanistan. This is done to make sure the missiles wouldn’t be misidentified and shot down.But this carefully timed ploy is not successful. Counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke claims he was promised by the Navy that it would fire their missiles from below the ocean surface. However, in fact, many destroyers fired their missiles from the surface. He adds, “not only did they use surface ships—they brought additional ones in, because every captain wants to be able to say he fired the cruise missile.” As a result, the ISI (or bin Laden sympathizers within) had many hours to alert bin Laden. Clarke says he believes that “if the [ISI] wanted to capture bin Laden or tell us where he was, they could have done so with little effort. They did not cooperate with us because ISI saw al-Qaeda as helpful in pressuring India, particularly in Kashmir.”In 1999 the US will intercept communications suggesting that Hamid Gul, ISI Director in the early 1990’s, played a role in forewarning the Taliban about the missile strike which may even had predated the firing of the cruise missiles (see July 1999).
December 2001-Early January 2002: ISI Said to Help bin Laden and Taliban Escape and Resettle in PakistanYunus Qanooni, the interior minister of Afghanistan’s new government, accuses elements of Pakistan’s ISI of helping bin Laden and Mullah Omar escape from Afghanistan to Pakistan. He further asserts that the ISI are still “probably protecting” both bin Laden and Mullah Omar and “concealing their movements and sheltering leaders of Taliban and al-Qaeda.” In addition, New Yorker magazine will report in early 2002, “Some CIA analysts believe that bin Laden eluded American capture inside Afghanistan with help from elements of the [ISI].” Another report suggests that Hamid Gul, former director of the ISI, is behind moves to help the Taliban establish a base in remote parts of Pakistan just across the Afghanistan border. Gul was head of the ISI from 1987 to 1989, but has remained close to Afghan groups in subsequent years and has been nicknamed the “godfather of the Taliban.” One report will later suggest that he was one of the masterminds of the 9/11 plot . The US is said to be interested in interrogating Gul, but “because of his high profile and the ripples it would cause in the Pakistan army, this is unlikely to happen...” Yet, at the same time that the ISI is reportedly helping al-Qaeda and the Taliban escape, the Pakistan army is deployed to the Afghanistan border in large numbers to prevent them from escaping. In November 2001, it was reported that the US was continuing to rely on the ISI for intelligence about Afghanistan, a move none other than Gul publicly derided as “foolish.”.
July 22, 2004: Evidence the ISI Was ‘Fully Involved’ in the 9/11 Plot Is Ignored.UPI reports that the 9/11 Commission has been given a document from a high-level, publicly anonymous source claiming that the Pakistani “ISI was fully involved in devising and helping the entire [9/11 plot].” The document blames Gen. Hamid Gul, a former ISI Director, as being a central participant in the plot. It notes that Gul is a self-avowed “admirer” of bin Laden. An anonymous, ranking CIA official says the CIA considers Gul to be “the most dangerous man” in Pakistan. A senior Pakistani political leader says, “I have reason to believe Hamid Gul was Osama bin Laden’s master planner.” The document further suggests that Pakistan’s appearance of fighting al-Qaeda is merely an elaborate charade, and top military and intelligence officials in Pakistan still closely sympathize with bin Laden’s ideology. However, the 9/11 Commission final report released a month later will fail to mention any of this.
Hamid Gul participated in the following events as an observer:
November 3, 2001: US Is Said to Be Relying on ISI for Intelligence in Afghan WarThe US, lacking local agents and intelligence in Afghanistan, is said to be heavily reliant on the ISI for information about the Taliban. The US is said to be confident in the ISI, even though the ISI was the main supporter of the Taliban up until 9/11. Knight Ridder Newspapers comments, “Anti-Taliban Afghans, foreign diplomats, and Pakistani government security officials say that pro-Taliban officers remain deeply embedded within ISI and might still be helping America’s enemies inside Afghanistan.” A leader of the resistance to the Taliban says, “There are lots of (ISI) officers who are fully committed to the way of the Taliban and Osama bin Laden.” Former ISI Director Hamid Gul says, “It is a foolish commander who depends on someone else’s intelligence, especially when that someone doesn’t like him and was once friendly with the enemy.” [Knight Ridder, 11/3/2001] Later in the month another article notes that the CIA continues to rely on the ISI for covert actions against the Taliban. One CIA agent says, “The same Pakistani case officers who built up the Taliban are doing the translating for the CIA. Our biggest mistake is allowing the ISI to be our eyes and ears.”
http://www.cooperati...=1521846767-315
Lt. General Hamid Gul (Urdū: لیفٹننٹ جنرل حمید گل) (retired) was born in Sargodha, Punjab, British India (now Pakistan).
General Hamid Gul was Director General of Pakistan's ISI (Inter Services Intelligence Directorate) when Benazir Bhutto was Prime Minister of Pakistan. A staunch Islamist, he was instrumental in the anti-Soviet Afghan Jihad and in establishing the Taliban. He also is a vehement supporter of the Kashmir insurgency against India. Gul worked hand in glove with the American CIA during the Soviet Occupation and considered them to be close allies. He has since moderated his views on the United States after what he claims to be many broken promises and betrayals.
God will destroy America, says Hamid Gul ( Retired Pakistan General ) Daily Times, Pakistan ^ | August 30, 2003 | Khalid Hasan
He views the war on terror as a war against Islam and regards Osama Bin Laden as a Muslim hero.
Hamid Gul quotes
On India
"I am not anti-India. I am against the imperial streak in the Indian psyche. The 1947 riots had a deep impact on my mind. The Indians always lean towards imperial powers."
"India will give its land when it will be divided into many pieces. India will have to be break. If India does not give us our land we will go to war and divide India."
Gul claims the only reason that Pakistan has not dismembered India already is because of the possible consequences for Indian Muslims. (rediff.com Feb 2004)
On America
"We are not afraid of the Americans; they can't fight on the ground. We are only concerned about their high-altitude bombers."
"I turned against America because they betrayed the Afghan nation." (rediff.com Feb 2004)
On Israel and 9/11
"Mossad and its accomplices [are the 9/11 culprits]. The U.S. spends $40 billion a year on its 11 intelligence agencies. That's $400 billion in 10 years. Yet the Bush Administration says it was taken by surprise. I don't believe it. Within 10 minutes of the second twin tower being hit in the World Trade Center CNN said Osama bin Laden had done it. That was a planned piece of disinformation by the real perpetrators." (UPI United Press International, Sep. 26, 2001).
Pakistan Stands on 9/11
Gen. Gul, known for his colourful language and what many consider "imaginative theories," went on to declare, "The Muslim world must stand united to confront the U.S. in its so-called war against terror which is in reality a war against Muslims. Let’s destroy America wherever its troops are trapped." If President Pervez Musharraf concedes President George Bush’s demand to send 15,000 Pakistani peacekeeping soldiers to Iraq, it would amount to "political suicide," according to The Washington Times.
U can find an interview dated march 2004 here:
http://www.pbs.org/f...pakistan/d.html
Some more info:
Hamid Gul participated in the following events as an active participant:
April 1987: Hamid Gul Becomes Head of ISIGen. Hamid Gul is made head of Pakistan’s ISI. General Gul is a favorite of CIA Station Chief Milt Bearden and US ambassador to Pakistan Arnie Raphel, who view him as an ally and a potential national leader of Pakistan. According to Bearden, however, he will later (sometime after 1990) turn against the US. Evidence will later appear that in the late 1990s Gul is somehow able to give the Taliban advanced warning of US attempts to assassinate bin Laden with missile strikes. In 2004, allegations will appear in the US media that Gul was a key participant in the 9/11 plot and“bin Laden’s master planner”
July 1999: Ex-ISI Head Is Providing Taliban Information on US Missile Launches
Hamid Gul. The US gains information that former ISI head Hamid Gul contacts Taliban leaders at this time and advises them that the US is not planning to attack Afghanistan to get bin Laden. He assures them that he will provide them three or four hours warning of any future US missile launch, as he did “last time.” Counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke later suggests Gul gave al-Qaeda warning about the missile strike in August 1998.
Hamid Gul participated in the following events as a passive participant:
August 20, 1998: ISI Alerts the Taliban to Incoming Missiles Targeting Their Shared Training CampsThe US missile strike on Afghanistan on this day inadvertently reveals connections between al-Qaeda and the ISI. Two of the four camps in Afghanistan hit had strong connections to the ISI, and five ISI officers and some twenty trainees are killed. The US also loses the element of surprise. General Joseph Ralston, the vice-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was purposely scheduled to eat dinner with General Jehangir Karamat, the Pakistani Army’s chief of staff, in Islamabad, Pakistan the night of the missile strike. At one point during the dinner, Ralston looks at his watch and announces that in ten minutes about sixty cruise missiles will be entering Pakistan’s airspace on their way to Afghanistan. This is done to make sure the missiles wouldn’t be misidentified and shot down.But this carefully timed ploy is not successful. Counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke claims he was promised by the Navy that it would fire their missiles from below the ocean surface. However, in fact, many destroyers fired their missiles from the surface. He adds, “not only did they use surface ships—they brought additional ones in, because every captain wants to be able to say he fired the cruise missile.” As a result, the ISI (or bin Laden sympathizers within) had many hours to alert bin Laden. Clarke says he believes that “if the [ISI] wanted to capture bin Laden or tell us where he was, they could have done so with little effort. They did not cooperate with us because ISI saw al-Qaeda as helpful in pressuring India, particularly in Kashmir.”In 1999 the US will intercept communications suggesting that Hamid Gul, ISI Director in the early 1990’s, played a role in forewarning the Taliban about the missile strike which may even had predated the firing of the cruise missiles (see July 1999).
December 2001-Early January 2002: ISI Said to Help bin Laden and Taliban Escape and Resettle in PakistanYunus Qanooni, the interior minister of Afghanistan’s new government, accuses elements of Pakistan’s ISI of helping bin Laden and Mullah Omar escape from Afghanistan to Pakistan. He further asserts that the ISI are still “probably protecting” both bin Laden and Mullah Omar and “concealing their movements and sheltering leaders of Taliban and al-Qaeda.” In addition, New Yorker magazine will report in early 2002, “Some CIA analysts believe that bin Laden eluded American capture inside Afghanistan with help from elements of the [ISI].” Another report suggests that Hamid Gul, former director of the ISI, is behind moves to help the Taliban establish a base in remote parts of Pakistan just across the Afghanistan border. Gul was head of the ISI from 1987 to 1989, but has remained close to Afghan groups in subsequent years and has been nicknamed the “godfather of the Taliban.” One report will later suggest that he was one of the masterminds of the 9/11 plot . The US is said to be interested in interrogating Gul, but “because of his high profile and the ripples it would cause in the Pakistan army, this is unlikely to happen...” Yet, at the same time that the ISI is reportedly helping al-Qaeda and the Taliban escape, the Pakistan army is deployed to the Afghanistan border in large numbers to prevent them from escaping. In November 2001, it was reported that the US was continuing to rely on the ISI for intelligence about Afghanistan, a move none other than Gul publicly derided as “foolish.”.
July 22, 2004: Evidence the ISI Was ‘Fully Involved’ in the 9/11 Plot Is Ignored.UPI reports that the 9/11 Commission has been given a document from a high-level, publicly anonymous source claiming that the Pakistani “ISI was fully involved in devising and helping the entire [9/11 plot].” The document blames Gen. Hamid Gul, a former ISI Director, as being a central participant in the plot. It notes that Gul is a self-avowed “admirer” of bin Laden. An anonymous, ranking CIA official says the CIA considers Gul to be “the most dangerous man” in Pakistan. A senior Pakistani political leader says, “I have reason to believe Hamid Gul was Osama bin Laden’s master planner.” The document further suggests that Pakistan’s appearance of fighting al-Qaeda is merely an elaborate charade, and top military and intelligence officials in Pakistan still closely sympathize with bin Laden’s ideology. However, the 9/11 Commission final report released a month later will fail to mention any of this.
Hamid Gul participated in the following events as an observer:
November 3, 2001: US Is Said to Be Relying on ISI for Intelligence in Afghan WarThe US, lacking local agents and intelligence in Afghanistan, is said to be heavily reliant on the ISI for information about the Taliban. The US is said to be confident in the ISI, even though the ISI was the main supporter of the Taliban up until 9/11. Knight Ridder Newspapers comments, “Anti-Taliban Afghans, foreign diplomats, and Pakistani government security officials say that pro-Taliban officers remain deeply embedded within ISI and might still be helping America’s enemies inside Afghanistan.” A leader of the resistance to the Taliban says, “There are lots of (ISI) officers who are fully committed to the way of the Taliban and Osama bin Laden.” Former ISI Director Hamid Gul says, “It is a foolish commander who depends on someone else’s intelligence, especially when that someone doesn’t like him and was once friendly with the enemy.” [Knight Ridder, 11/3/2001] Later in the month another article notes that the CIA continues to rely on the ISI for covert actions against the Taliban. One CIA agent says, “The same Pakistani case officers who built up the Taliban are doing the translating for the CIA. Our biggest mistake is allowing the ISI to be our eyes and ears.”
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Posted 08 January 2007 - 12:19 PM
Aoa
Jzk bro!
w/salaam
Jzk bro!
w/salaam
In case I forgot here is it is... Asalaamualikum
"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)
Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]
Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]
Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."
the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”
islamqa.com
"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)
Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]
Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]
Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."
the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”
islamqa.com
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Posted 08 January 2007 - 02:33 PM
I think this was the same soul that conducted the operations against MQM in 1992. Unsuccessfull though, because they had a light handed approach.
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QUOTE(Arms for Peace @ Jan 8 2007, 03:33 PM)
I think this was the same soul that conducted the operations against MQM in 1992. Unsuccessfull though, because they had a light handed approach.
Probably not. Gul left his position as DG-ISI in '89.
Are you refering to Lt Gen. Javed Nasir?
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Salam,
i salute this guy for wht he stands for.. being an ISI cheif.. is nt a child's play ..
i think he should be the one as a president of Pakistan .. he deserves it..
this is just a thought .. dnt get in with all ur mullah bashing or whtever
Allah hafiz
i salute this guy for wht he stands for.. being an ISI cheif.. is nt a child's play ..
i think he should be the one as a president of Pakistan .. he deserves it..
this is just a thought .. dnt get in with all ur mullah bashing or whtever
Allah hafiz
Pakistan airforce, Pakistan army and Pakistan navy.. are Second to none for me.. israelies sucks.. as well as americans.. no matter they r better in quantity ... but they r lacking wht we have got all .. its faith in our Almighty Allah. and . our history stands proud..
.. and inshaAllah we will be the one who will conquer this world of mushrikiens and change it to a symbolized islamic state..! INSHALLAH
...,From the martyrs at Badr 1400 years ago, the martyrs of South Asia in 1947, 1965, 1971, 1993, 1999, 2002, and the martyrs of Kashmir, Falasteen, Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Bosnia, and anywhere else in between - We will not forget. We will not fail. We will not give up. We will not let you down. We will rise and we will carry the flag of Islam for our future generations to live in peace and prosperity. InshaAllah....
.. and inshaAllah we will be the one who will conquer this world of mushrikiens and change it to a symbolized islamic state..! INSHALLAH
...,From the martyrs at Badr 1400 years ago, the martyrs of South Asia in 1947, 1965, 1971, 1993, 1999, 2002, and the martyrs of Kashmir, Falasteen, Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Bosnia, and anywhere else in between - We will not forget. We will not fail. We will not give up. We will not let you down. We will rise and we will carry the flag of Islam for our future generations to live in peace and prosperity. InshaAllah....
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 03:29 PM
I have a lot of respect for this guy. I haven't seen what entertaining interviews that he has been giving. But what I have seen of him so far is that the guy is bold and speaks the truth and has feelings for Muslims. He was not only the mastermind with Zia behind the Afghan Jihad and Kashmir Jihad but he was also the one who made ISI into a potent organization.
If any of you know ISI closely, you'll know that its the sole organization that has been holding the country together with the grace of Allah. There is a typical mindset and structure of ISI personnel and once they are in it, the are ISI folks regardless of whether they are civil or military. ISI's strong control spans from Bangladesh to Central Asian states and throughout Mid-East. But this ISI was made and structured during Gen Gul's time and he was the sharp guy in its restructuring.
Its a pitty that such a sophisticated organization is targeted by our politicians when they toe anti-Pakistan elements' line of ISI being a state within the state. I know how much interlinked ISI is with other Muslim and Arab agencies as many other countries' intelligence agents come for training courses with ISI. Ever wondered how much financing ISI gets from Arabs and how heavily ISI is involved in the Gulf. You think the rich Arab govts trust their own agencies?
I have been very close to all this for several years which is why I know all this. And people who have been attached know Gen Gul very well and have respect for him. I wouldn't rule out Gen Gul from Pakistan's future, let the dust settle down and see how instrumental is he in shaping up Pakistan's politics. The thing about Gen Gul is that he works from behind the seen, what you see of him on the TV is not half of what he is in his work. He is a resourceful person who still has strong connections with some of the most influential people in the Muslim world and in Pakistan.
Well I just said alot of things because I don't like people to have misconceptions about others.
If any of you know ISI closely, you'll know that its the sole organization that has been holding the country together with the grace of Allah. There is a typical mindset and structure of ISI personnel and once they are in it, the are ISI folks regardless of whether they are civil or military. ISI's strong control spans from Bangladesh to Central Asian states and throughout Mid-East. But this ISI was made and structured during Gen Gul's time and he was the sharp guy in its restructuring.
Its a pitty that such a sophisticated organization is targeted by our politicians when they toe anti-Pakistan elements' line of ISI being a state within the state. I know how much interlinked ISI is with other Muslim and Arab agencies as many other countries' intelligence agents come for training courses with ISI. Ever wondered how much financing ISI gets from Arabs and how heavily ISI is involved in the Gulf. You think the rich Arab govts trust their own agencies?
I have been very close to all this for several years which is why I know all this. And people who have been attached know Gen Gul very well and have respect for him. I wouldn't rule out Gen Gul from Pakistan's future, let the dust settle down and see how instrumental is he in shaping up Pakistan's politics. The thing about Gen Gul is that he works from behind the seen, what you see of him on the TV is not half of what he is in his work. He is a resourceful person who still has strong connections with some of the most influential people in the Muslim world and in Pakistan.
Well I just said alot of things because I don't like people to have misconceptions about others.
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TO BE VERY HONEST I SAW HIS INTERVIEW AND MAN HE HAS GUTS AND HE SPEAKS AND SPEAKS WELL AND HE IS NOT AFRAID OF ANY ONE IN GOVT OR AGENCIES.
IN THAT INTERVIEW ONE ANCHOR NAMED I THINK SAHAFI HE WAS ASKING SOME STUPID QUESTIONS LIKE IF YOU ARE SUPPORTING JIHAD Y U R NOT GOING TO JIHAD HE SAID IAM DOING WAT I CAN DO BEST FOR IT AND HE TOLD THAT HIS SON IS IN JIHAD.
I HAVNT SAW ANY TV FOR LONG TIME BUT IN THESE TWO YEAR I SAW TV FOR ONE WEEK AND I FOUND HIM TWICE AND I HAD RESPECT FOR HIM FROM START NOT FROM THESE INTERVIEWS. AND WE NEED FEW MORE PERSONS LIKE HIM IN OUR THINK TANK WHO KNOWS WAT IS NATIONAL INTEGRITY, SELF ESTEEM, ONE THING IS CLEAR HE WAS VICTIM OF LIKING... BY AMERICANS....
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IN THAT INTERVIEW ONE ANCHOR NAMED I THINK SAHAFI HE WAS ASKING SOME STUPID QUESTIONS LIKE IF YOU ARE SUPPORTING JIHAD Y U R NOT GOING TO JIHAD HE SAID IAM DOING WAT I CAN DO BEST FOR IT AND HE TOLD THAT HIS SON IS IN JIHAD.
I HAVNT SAW ANY TV FOR LONG TIME BUT IN THESE TWO YEAR I SAW TV FOR ONE WEEK AND I FOUND HIM TWICE AND I HAD RESPECT FOR HIM FROM START NOT FROM THESE INTERVIEWS. AND WE NEED FEW MORE PERSONS LIKE HIM IN OUR THINK TANK WHO KNOWS WAT IS NATIONAL INTEGRITY, SELF ESTEEM, ONE THING IS CLEAR HE WAS VICTIM OF LIKING... BY AMERICANS....
TC BYE
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I tell you. He is an idiot and know nothing except confrontation. He redicules the Pakistani stand point on Iraq and Afganistan. According to him we should have confronted the USA and its allies and might become like the Iraqis.
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HE NEVER SAID STAND AGAINST THEM BUT HE ALWAYS KEEP ON SAYING WHAT IS THIS THAT ON ONE SIDE WE ARE SAYING WE ARE NUCLEAR POWER AND OUR DEFENCE IS LIKE THAT NO BODY DARE TO ATTACK US. AND WE GAVE EVERY THING ON ONE CALL AND OUR ARMY HEAD WAS SHIVERING WITH ONE THREAT. FROM A GENRAL.
SO WE WERE DOING FOR THEM IN ALL THE YEAR FROM OUR INDEPENDENCE, BUT WE NEVER DID BEFORE FOR THEM ON THE COST OF OUR NATIONAL INTEGRITY.
THIS IS MY OPINION ALSO U HAVE RIGHT TO OPPOSE.
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SO WE WERE DOING FOR THEM IN ALL THE YEAR FROM OUR INDEPENDENCE, BUT WE NEVER DID BEFORE FOR THEM ON THE COST OF OUR NATIONAL INTEGRITY.
THIS IS MY OPINION ALSO U HAVE RIGHT TO OPPOSE.
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 09:41 AM
....Gen Hamid was BM 3rd Indep Armd Bde Gp. Those from army know wht type of officers are sent as BM of a Bde!
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....Gen Hamid was BM 3rd Indep Armd Bde Gp. Those from army know wht type of officers are sent as BM of a Bde!
Bro could you decode it for us please.
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QUOTE(Panzer-kiel @ Jan 10 2007, 10:41 AM)
....Gen Hamid was BM 3rd Indep Armd Bde Gp. Those from army know wht type of officers are sent as BM of a Bde!
Bro could you decode it for us please.
w/salaam
In case I forgot here is it is... Asalaamualikum
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"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)
Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]
Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]
Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."
the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”
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BM= Brigade major
A very good post for a major.
A very good post for a major.
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BM= Brigade major
A very good post for a major.
Could someone explain...
w/salaam
QUOTE(GreenBeret @ Jan 10 2007, 11:12 AM)
BM= Brigade major
A very good post for a major.
Could someone explain...
QUOTE
wht type of officers are sent as BM of a Bde!
w/salaam
In case I forgot here is it is... Asalaamualikum
"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)
Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]
Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]
Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."
the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”
islamqa.com
"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)
Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]
Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]
Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."
the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”
islamqa.com
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 11:25 AM
QUOTE(noxiouspython @ Jan 10 2007, 11:34 AM)
Aoa
Could someone explain...
w/salaam
Out of so many majors in a brigade, one becomes a brigade major and its the one who thinks that the more you use your brain, the sharpen it gets.
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Aoa
Out of so many majors in a brigade, one becomes a brigade major and its the one who thinks that the more you use your brain, the sharpen it gets.
So it's a good thing right?
[cause from the tone of the post I thought it was a bad thing... maybe I understood wrong ]
thanx
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QUOTE(umiqum @ Jan 10 2007, 12:25 PM)
Out of so many majors in a brigade, one becomes a brigade major and its the one who thinks that the more you use your brain, the sharpen it gets.
So it's a good thing right?
[cause from the tone of the post I thought it was a bad thing... maybe I understood wrong
]thanx
w/salaam
In case I forgot here is it is... Asalaamualikum
"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)
Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]
Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]
Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."
the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”
islamqa.com
"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)
Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]
Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]
Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."
the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”
islamqa.com
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 12:35 PM
QUOTE(noxiouspython @ Jan 10 2007, 12:56 PM)
Aoa
So it's a good thing right?
[cause from the tone of the post I thought it was a bad thing... maybe I understood wrong
]thanx
w/salaam
Hey I was being sarcastic to you in my previous post, but I love you. But to answer your question, its usually said in the army that whover makes it to BM is more likely to be a general.
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Hey I was being sarcastic to you in my previous post, but I love you. But to answer your question, its usually said in the army that whover makes it to BM is more likely to be a general.
bro...
w/salaam
QUOTE(umiqum @ Jan 10 2007, 01:35 PM)
Hey I was being sarcastic to you in my previous post, but I love you. But to answer your question, its usually said in the army that whover makes it to BM is more likely to be a general.
bro... w/salaam
In case I forgot here is it is... Asalaamualikum
"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)
Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]
Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]
Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."
the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”
islamqa.com
"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)
Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]
Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]
Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."
the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”
islamqa.com
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 02:02 PM
QUOTE(noxiouspython @ Jan 10 2007, 10:34 AM)
Aoa
Could someone explain...
w/salaam
The post of BM is given to a highly capable officer,one who does good in staff course is given this post.The Brigade Major is directly in contact with Brigade commander(briagdier) in Brigade HQ and coordinates all the moves/orders as per wishes of the Brigade commander.U can say,he is the right hand man of the brigadier commanding the brigade.
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This guy is a nut-case - lost his grasp on reality - according to him the answer to all Pakistan's issues is the "Taliban" - just because he created something - does not mean that it is the solution to all our issues!
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People who have no hold over their process of thinking are likely to be ruined by liberty of thought. If thought is immature, liberty of thought becomes a method of converting men into animals.
It is time that I reopen the tavern of Rumi: the shaikhs of the Kaaba are lying drunk in the courtyard of the church.
Unbeliever is he who follows predestination even if he be Muslim, Faithful is he, if he himself is the Divine Destiny.
Psychologically speaking, all states, whether their content is religious or non-religious, are organically determined.
Thou art not for the earth, nor for the Heaven the world is for thee, thou art not for the world.
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Dunning-Kruger Effect - recommended reading for some members and all Indians in general http://en.wikipedia....€“Kruger_effect
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this guy is always on ARY being interved by that other joker Dr Shahid Masood, the ********** isnt open minded, i mean america has done stupid things like going into iraq etc but they also helped Pakistan during the earthquake this 2 nut jobs cant acklowedge this according to them muslims every where are being targetted
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QUOTE(FASAL XJ @ Jan 11 2007, 06:03 PM)
this guy is always on ARY being interved by that other joker Dr Shahid Masood, the ********** isnt open minded, i mean america has done stupid things like going into iraq etc but they also helped Pakistan during the earthquake this 2 nut jobs cant acklowedge this according to them muslims every where are being targetted
Salam,
And thts the truth ... Bdw Dr. Shahid masood is the best man when it comes to interviewing some1
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.. and inshaAllah we will be the one who will conquer this world of mushrikiens and change it to a symbolized islamic state..! INSHALLAH
...,From the martyrs at Badr 1400 years ago, the martyrs of South Asia in 1947, 1965, 1971, 1993, 1999, 2002, and the martyrs of Kashmir, Falasteen, Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Bosnia, and anywhere else in between - We will not forget. We will not fail. We will not give up. We will not let you down. We will rise and we will carry the flag of Islam for our future generations to live in peace and prosperity. InshaAllah....
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QUOTE(visioninthedark @ Jan 10 2007, 04:04 PM)
This guy is a nut-case - lost his grasp on reality - according to him the answer to all Pakistan's issues is the "Taliban" - just because he created something - does not mean that it is the solution to all our issues!
His interviews are always based on facts and also he got a vision but sadly he destorts the conclusion to Talibanisation, its not his fault as he created Taliban and got a dream (which can be right or wrong), as things have gone otherwise he have become bitter.
If he was not a former ISI head, definatley US have been labelled his as a terrorist, and if US ever made such mistake, they would have to arrange a lots of body bags to send Afghanistan.
We must respect the guy as he is a nationalist, however he would be more cool if he is not holding press conferences with Qazi.
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...plus, he also commanded 1 Armored Division and II (Strike) Corps, no one should doubt his capability atleast...
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read the thread from 2007 till day no one should doubt his professional capabilities now
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