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AFTER YEARS OF TELLING PEOPLE CHEMOTHERAPY IS THE ONLY WAY TO TRY AND ELIMINATE CANCER, JOHNS HOPKINS IS
FINALLY STARTING TO TELL YOU THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE WAY.*Cancer Update from Johns Hopkins*
1. Every person has cancer cells in the body.... These cancer cells do not show up in the standard tests until they have multiplied to a few billion.When doctors tell cancer patients that there are no more cancer cells in their bodies after treatment, it just means the tests are unable to detect the cancer cells because they have not reached the detectable size.
2. Cancer cells occur between 6 to more than 10 times in a person's lifetime.
3. When the person's immune system is strong the cancer cells will be destroyed and prevented from multiplying and forming tumours.
4. When a person has cancer it indicates the person has multiple nutritional deficiencies.These could be due to genetic, environmental, food and lifestyle factors.
5. To overcome the multiple nutritional deficiencies, changing diet and including supplements will strengthen the immune system.
6. Chemotherapy involves poisoning the rapidly-growing cancer cells and also destroys rapidly-growing healthy cells in the bone marrow, gastro-intestinal tract etc, and can cause organ damage, like liver, kidneys, heart, lungs etc.
7. Radiation while destroying cancer cells also burns, scars and damages healthy cells, tissues and organs.
8. Initial treatment with chemotherapy and radiation will often reduce tumor size. However prolonged use of chemotherapy and radiation do not result in more tumor destruction.
9. When the body has too much toxic burden from chemotherapy and radiation the immune system is either compromised or destroyed, hence the person can succumb to various kinds of infections and complications.
10. Chemotherapy and radiation can cause cancer cells to mutate and become resistant and difficult to destroy. Surgery can also cause cancer cells to spread to other sites.
11. An effective way to battle cancer is to starve the cancer cells by not feeding it with the foods it needs to multiply.
WHAT CANCER CELLS FEED ON:
a. Sugar is a cancer-feeder. By cutting off sugar it cuts off one important food supply to the cancer cells. Sugar substitutes like
Nutra Sweet, Equal,Spoonful, etc are made with Aspartame and it is harmful. A better natural substitute would be Manuka honey or molasses but only in very small amounts. Table salt has a chemical added to make it white in colour. Better alternative is Bragg's aminos or sea salt.
b. Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting off milk and substituting with unsweetened soy milk, cancer cells are being starved.
c. Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based diet is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little chicken rather than beef or pork. Meat also contains livestock antibiotics, growth hormones and parasites, which are all harmful, especially to people with cancer.
d. A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole grains, seeds, nuts and a little fruits help put the body into an alkaline environment. About 20% can be from cooked food including beans. Fresh vegetable juices provide live enzymes that are easily absorbed and reach down to cellular levels within 15 minutes to nourish and enhance growth of healthy cells. To obtain live enzymes for building healthy cells try and drink fresh vegetable juice (most vegetables including bean sprouts) and eat some raw v egetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed at temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C).
e. Avoid coffee, tea,ea and chocolate, which have high caffeine. Green tea is a better alternative and has cancer-fighting properties. Water-best to drink purified water, or filtered, to avoid known toxins and heavy metals in tap water. Distilled water is acidic, avoid it.
12. Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the intestines become putrified and leads to more toxic buildup.
13. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering.By refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes to attack the protein walls of
cancer cells and allows the body's killer cells to destroy the cancer cells.
14. Some supplements build up the immune system(IP6, Flor-ssence, Essiac,anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals, EFAs etc.) to enable the body's own killer cells to destroy cancer cells. Other supplements like vitamin E are known to cause apoptosis, or programmed cell death, the body's normal method of disposing of damaged,unwanted, or unneeded cells.
15. Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit. A proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior be a survivor. Anger,unforgiveness and bitterness put the body into a stressful and acidic environment.
16. Cancer cells cannot thrive in an oxygenated environment. Exercising daily, and deep breathing help to get more oxygen down to the cellular level. Oxygen therapy is another means employed to destroy cancer cells.
FINALLY STARTING TO TELL YOU THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE WAY.*Cancer Update from Johns Hopkins*
1. Every person has cancer cells in the body.... These cancer cells do not show up in the standard tests until they have multiplied to a few billion.When doctors tell cancer patients that there are no more cancer cells in their bodies after treatment, it just means the tests are unable to detect the cancer cells because they have not reached the detectable size.
2. Cancer cells occur between 6 to more than 10 times in a person's lifetime.
3. When the person's immune system is strong the cancer cells will be destroyed and prevented from multiplying and forming tumours.
4. When a person has cancer it indicates the person has multiple nutritional deficiencies.These could be due to genetic, environmental, food and lifestyle factors.
5. To overcome the multiple nutritional deficiencies, changing diet and including supplements will strengthen the immune system.
6. Chemotherapy involves poisoning the rapidly-growing cancer cells and also destroys rapidly-growing healthy cells in the bone marrow, gastro-intestinal tract etc, and can cause organ damage, like liver, kidneys, heart, lungs etc.
7. Radiation while destroying cancer cells also burns, scars and damages healthy cells, tissues and organs.
8. Initial treatment with chemotherapy and radiation will often reduce tumor size. However prolonged use of chemotherapy and radiation do not result in more tumor destruction.
9. When the body has too much toxic burden from chemotherapy and radiation the immune system is either compromised or destroyed, hence the person can succumb to various kinds of infections and complications.
10. Chemotherapy and radiation can cause cancer cells to mutate and become resistant and difficult to destroy. Surgery can also cause cancer cells to spread to other sites.
11. An effective way to battle cancer is to starve the cancer cells by not feeding it with the foods it needs to multiply.
WHAT CANCER CELLS FEED ON:
a. Sugar is a cancer-feeder. By cutting off sugar it cuts off one important food supply to the cancer cells. Sugar substitutes like
Nutra Sweet, Equal,Spoonful, etc are made with Aspartame and it is harmful. A better natural substitute would be Manuka honey or molasses but only in very small amounts. Table salt has a chemical added to make it white in colour. Better alternative is Bragg's aminos or sea salt.
b. Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting off milk and substituting with unsweetened soy milk, cancer cells are being starved.
c. Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based diet is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little chicken rather than beef or pork. Meat also contains livestock antibiotics, growth hormones and parasites, which are all harmful, especially to people with cancer.
d. A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole grains, seeds, nuts and a little fruits help put the body into an alkaline environment. About 20% can be from cooked food including beans. Fresh vegetable juices provide live enzymes that are easily absorbed and reach down to cellular levels within 15 minutes to nourish and enhance growth of healthy cells. To obtain live enzymes for building healthy cells try and drink fresh vegetable juice (most vegetables including bean sprouts) and eat some raw v egetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed at temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C).
e. Avoid coffee, tea,ea and chocolate, which have high caffeine. Green tea is a better alternative and has cancer-fighting properties. Water-best to drink purified water, or filtered, to avoid known toxins and heavy metals in tap water. Distilled water is acidic, avoid it.
12. Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the intestines become putrified and leads to more toxic buildup.
13. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering.By refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes to attack the protein walls of
cancer cells and allows the body's killer cells to destroy the cancer cells.
14. Some supplements build up the immune system(IP6, Flor-ssence, Essiac,anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals, EFAs etc.) to enable the body's own killer cells to destroy cancer cells. Other supplements like vitamin E are known to cause apoptosis, or programmed cell death, the body's normal method of disposing of damaged,unwanted, or unneeded cells.
15. Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit. A proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior be a survivor. Anger,unforgiveness and bitterness put the body into a stressful and acidic environment.
16. Cancer cells cannot thrive in an oxygenated environment. Exercising daily, and deep breathing help to get more oxygen down to the cellular level. Oxygen therapy is another means employed to destroy cancer cells.
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for anyone considering supplements, don't use these energy drinks that contain ephedra, i have seen one too many patients develop arrhythmias, and then they go from healthy athletes to high risk patients for MI and strokes
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anyone of you folks use WHEY PROTEINS ? any side effects ? possible risks ? research on the internet says it can overload and possibly damage the liver + create stones ??
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Posted 13 February 2011 - 01:35 AM
blueazure and others that are interested:
I would check how you respond to natural foods with a workout, before you start using WHEY protein and supplements like creatine.
I found that the best system for me and most of the people I have helped to develop their strength:
1) Simple but effective workout....3 times a week with rest days between each. 5*5 of the basic free weight exercises of Squats, bench presses, deadlifts and shoulder presses. free weights are ESSENTIAL. Try to avoid the machines because they restrict natural movement of a person's body and are therefore not so effective and can even be injurious over time (esp at larger loads). For toning, stick to sit-ups, reverse crunches and push ups. Also try to include chin ups and pull ups for that nice back.
Note: It is important to start at a low weight (dont be afraid of even starting with an empty bar) and develop the correct technique for each of the free weight exercises (esp squat and deadlift). Then level up a little bit each week...at your pace. Try for nice and gradual, rather than large and immediate.
2) Cardio: Include cardio after your workout, just simple running should suffice....nothing fancy. Don't worry on really long endurance. Try several short bursts of speed, with medium pace in between. This way your body isnt forced to consume the muscle that you have been working so hard to create.
3) Diet. The only reason why you would go for whey or creatine...is that you are lazy to create a good diet. Bulk up using milk and yoghurt at your first stage. Also lots of variety of protein...dont go for just one....vary the meats (dont worry about red vs white meat...its hogwash if you put in good exercise). Try to consume a nice high protein meal after your workout.....wash it down with milk....in fact try to drink some milk right after the work out to replenish your glycogen...you need to supply your blood with energy right away so it can start taking the protein that you later consume to the muscles that are now protein-starved. Mix in a good amount of carbs with your protein-rich meal (after work out) to serve this same purpose.
Now once you have followed these rules for 6 months...you should get an idea of your progress. Weigh yourself, check your muscle mass....you should aim for a minimum weight of pounds equal to your height in centimeters....and then bulk up from there.
If it is not to your liking...whey would be the only thing you even think of adding...DONT go for creatine or any other fancy supplement....its an open door to further problems down the line... just mix the whey in with the milk that you drink post-workout.
You can only damage your body using whey (or any other protein concentrate) if you consume an abundance of it without putting in the adequate exercise and workout (to actually create a demand for this really high protein source).....
So restrict its intake (for times when you are lazy to cook a meal with meat or make a tuna sandwich) and make sure you put in a good amount of workout that justifies the intake....simplest way to get the ratio right?...dont use whey at all and use all natural protein sources.
Oh and one more word of advice...dont go for the large amount of fiber post work out....you want to make sure your protein has enough time to get fully absorbed.....so just go for protein and carbs....mix in the fiber etc... with your other meals. Dont ignore fibre, fruits, vegetables etc though...they are very essential....in fact its not a bad idea to eat a fruit with your post workout milk drink to ensure you have replenished your glycogen quickly.... also remember the post workout drink is only temporary...and is not a substitute for a post workout meal (which should be consumed within an hour of say your cardio at the end).
I also find that leaving the cardio to the end helps in ensuring I get the full benefits of the workout...rather than doing cardio first....eating up valuable glycogen and possibly muscle protein and then being really tired for the work out.
Also START SLOW and work up SLOWLY. take your time...but make it a habit to hit the gym regularly but take rest days in between to allow sufficient time for your body to recover and also bulk up (its during the rest phase that most of the muscles will develop).
Hope this really detailed answer helps you....its a subject quite close to my heart
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I would check how you respond to natural foods with a workout, before you start using WHEY protein and supplements like creatine.
I found that the best system for me and most of the people I have helped to develop their strength:
1) Simple but effective workout....3 times a week with rest days between each. 5*5 of the basic free weight exercises of Squats, bench presses, deadlifts and shoulder presses. free weights are ESSENTIAL. Try to avoid the machines because they restrict natural movement of a person's body and are therefore not so effective and can even be injurious over time (esp at larger loads). For toning, stick to sit-ups, reverse crunches and push ups. Also try to include chin ups and pull ups for that nice back.
Note: It is important to start at a low weight (dont be afraid of even starting with an empty bar) and develop the correct technique for each of the free weight exercises (esp squat and deadlift). Then level up a little bit each week...at your pace. Try for nice and gradual, rather than large and immediate.
2) Cardio: Include cardio after your workout, just simple running should suffice....nothing fancy. Don't worry on really long endurance. Try several short bursts of speed, with medium pace in between. This way your body isnt forced to consume the muscle that you have been working so hard to create.
3) Diet. The only reason why you would go for whey or creatine...is that you are lazy to create a good diet. Bulk up using milk and yoghurt at your first stage. Also lots of variety of protein...dont go for just one....vary the meats (dont worry about red vs white meat...its hogwash if you put in good exercise). Try to consume a nice high protein meal after your workout.....wash it down with milk....in fact try to drink some milk right after the work out to replenish your glycogen...you need to supply your blood with energy right away so it can start taking the protein that you later consume to the muscles that are now protein-starved. Mix in a good amount of carbs with your protein-rich meal (after work out) to serve this same purpose.
Now once you have followed these rules for 6 months...you should get an idea of your progress. Weigh yourself, check your muscle mass....you should aim for a minimum weight of pounds equal to your height in centimeters....and then bulk up from there.
If it is not to your liking...whey would be the only thing you even think of adding...DONT go for creatine or any other fancy supplement....its an open door to further problems down the line... just mix the whey in with the milk that you drink post-workout.
You can only damage your body using whey (or any other protein concentrate) if you consume an abundance of it without putting in the adequate exercise and workout (to actually create a demand for this really high protein source).....
So restrict its intake (for times when you are lazy to cook a meal with meat or make a tuna sandwich) and make sure you put in a good amount of workout that justifies the intake....simplest way to get the ratio right?...dont use whey at all and use all natural protein sources.
Oh and one more word of advice...dont go for the large amount of fiber post work out....you want to make sure your protein has enough time to get fully absorbed.....so just go for protein and carbs....mix in the fiber etc... with your other meals. Dont ignore fibre, fruits, vegetables etc though...they are very essential....in fact its not a bad idea to eat a fruit with your post workout milk drink to ensure you have replenished your glycogen quickly.... also remember the post workout drink is only temporary...and is not a substitute for a post workout meal (which should be consumed within an hour of say your cardio at the end).
I also find that leaving the cardio to the end helps in ensuring I get the full benefits of the workout...rather than doing cardio first....eating up valuable glycogen and possibly muscle protein and then being really tired for the work out.
Also START SLOW and work up SLOWLY. take your time...but make it a habit to hit the gym regularly but take rest days in between to allow sufficient time for your body to recover and also bulk up (its during the rest phase that most of the muscles will develop).
Hope this really detailed answer helps you....its a subject quite close to my heart
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blueazure and others that are interested:
hmmm,,
im also not exactly 100% in favor of any sort of shortcuts ( whey included ) , but two tea spoons of a good quality whey is roughly equal to all those dozen bananas and kilos of chicken etc ...
anyways i'd like more people to talk about supplements ,,,
and krad,,, cardio AFTER workout ??? i dont get this,, cardio is supposed to be a warm up ?? shouldnt it be BEFORE the actual workout ? or simple cycling should do for warm up ?
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- If you live in Europe, US, or Canada - Next time you get a blood test, ask your doctor to also test your Vitamin D. He will ask why, just tell him to do it.
If you vitamin D is low (it probably is), take 5,000 IU of Vitamin D / day.
- If you have chest pains but your heart is fine - its from stomach acid, take acid reducer, but don't take it everyday because it lowers nutrient absorption by your stomach. Take as needed.
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and krad,,, cardio AFTER workout ??? i dont get this,, cardio is supposed to be a warm up ?? shouldnt it be BEFORE the actual workout ? or simple cycling should do for warm up ?
I do simple warm up before my workout (to stretch the muscles)...rather than expending a lot of energy in a cardio exercise. This makes me tired for my workout (with the large weights)...however if you find that works for you...then by all means. The important thing is to try and experiment...to see which fits you best. I basically use the cardio after to get my heart pumping good...if cardio development is really one of your goals...(I find I get ample from my regime)....then you can try leaving the cardio for one of the rest days inbetween workouts (this is ideal)...and then really give it full blast. I just don't have the time to do this....but it would be ideal I think (seperate workout and cardio on alternate days to minimize the conflict).
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im also not exactly 100% in favor of any sort of shortcuts ( whey included ) , but two tea spoons of a good quality whey is roughly equal to all those dozen bananas and kilos of chicken etc ...
Like I said, by all means use whey if you are not satisfied with your results so far (how long have you been doing fitness training out of interest?)....the key is to make sure you arent consuming too much whey for the level of workout you do.
Heres a good website you might find interesting:
http://stronglifts.c...aining-program/
I agree with most of the points he puts forward...so maybe check it out in your spare time....he is a whey proponent...so maybe you can find the answers you are looking for.
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(how long have you been doing fitness training out of interest?)...
about six months... started a 70.5 kilos,, yesterday reading was 74.2kg... ( my height is 5'-11'' btw ) ( completely natural diet, no supplements ) ( workout out is 3-4 times / week )
im looking at a target of 80 kilos ( muscle mass ie ) , but cant seems to go above 74.5 for the last two months ??? hence my queries about whey etc ?
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krad is right about cardio after a workout, you are much more likely to hit your fat reserve then, rather than waste your energy reserveson cardio and then not have much left for the weights session. I don't do much weights myself, just enough not to look skinny and to maintain the muscle mass i have already. I was pretty strong naturally did some weights during my teens etc. I tend to stick to press ups etc when doing weights/style exercise, simply because it's not my current fitness aim. it is a long term one, but not right now.
my friend though, he is into the weight training, and i have been following his progress/experiments.
Whey protien is not bad for you, just check the ingredients, make sure it is halal. if u want to bulk up, u need the protien. Also eat 4-5 times a day, smaller meals, more protien, but eat more often, make sure ur body always has energy.To stop putting on fat, google a system called carb cycling. I've not used it myself, but it worked well for an ex colleague, he maintained his strength and muscle mass but cut down his body fat using it.
if you feel your muscle growth is stagnating, have you tried heavier weights? Or different types of exercises, too often your body will get used to the routine, you need to change it about. Every now and then, put in a week of pure cardio exercise, no weights, give that side of the body a rest.
Another good way of kick starting your way out of a plataeu is by doing less weight, high number of reps. It builds your muscle endurance, rather than explosive power and then you will be able to go for longer and harder when u switch back to explosive power.
Also when bulking up, try to keep off the carbohydrates where you can. body builders tend to make an exception for dairy products, but bread, roti, sugar etc is carbs ur body doesnt need. Become a carnivore. Also remember to still eat fruit/veg and take multivitiman tablets to make sure your body is not lacking anything.
my friend though, he is into the weight training, and i have been following his progress/experiments.
Whey protien is not bad for you, just check the ingredients, make sure it is halal. if u want to bulk up, u need the protien. Also eat 4-5 times a day, smaller meals, more protien, but eat more often, make sure ur body always has energy.To stop putting on fat, google a system called carb cycling. I've not used it myself, but it worked well for an ex colleague, he maintained his strength and muscle mass but cut down his body fat using it.
if you feel your muscle growth is stagnating, have you tried heavier weights? Or different types of exercises, too often your body will get used to the routine, you need to change it about. Every now and then, put in a week of pure cardio exercise, no weights, give that side of the body a rest.
Another good way of kick starting your way out of a plataeu is by doing less weight, high number of reps. It builds your muscle endurance, rather than explosive power and then you will be able to go for longer and harder when u switch back to explosive power.
Also when bulking up, try to keep off the carbohydrates where you can. body builders tend to make an exception for dairy products, but bread, roti, sugar etc is carbs ur body doesnt need. Become a carnivore. Also remember to still eat fruit/veg and take multivitiman tablets to make sure your body is not lacking anything.
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about six months... started a 70.5 kilos,, yesterday reading was 74.2kg... ( my height is 5'-11'' btw ) ( completely natural diet, no supplements ) ( workout out is 3-4 times / week )
im looking at a target of 80 kilos ( muscle mass ie ) , but cant seems to go above 74.5 for the last two months ??? hence my queries about whey etc ?
im looking at a target of 80 kilos ( muscle mass ie ) , but cant seems to go above 74.5 for the last two months ??? hence my queries about whey etc ?
And I want the exact opposite of what you do.
Currently weigh at 79kg but I have discovered it is few kgs above suitable weight for my age/height. So yes I am putting on some fat which I want to get rid of quickly. Coming down to 74kg would be good, with a flat stomach. Go to the gym but very irregular.
Anyone have you any ideas on how to loose weight quickly?
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Anyone have you any ideas on how to loose weight quickly?
intense cardio with intervals ( 1 min intense run at 12 kph , 1 min break at 4 kph and so on ) do that run for a mile atleast every day ... then see how fast you lose fat
another option is swimming
plus dont take sugar , tea , coffee etc,,,,, switch to green tea ( without milk , qahwa ie )
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- If you live in Europe, US, or Canada - Next time you get a blood test, ask your doctor to also test your Vitamin D. He will ask why, just tell him to do it.
If you vitamin D is low (it probably is), take 5,000 IU of Vitamin D / day.
- If you have chest pains but your heart is fine - its from stomach acid, take acid reducer, but don't take it everyday because it lowers nutrient absorption by your stomach. Take as needed.
If you vitamin D is low (it probably is), take 5,000 IU of Vitamin D / day.
- If you have chest pains but your heart is fine - its from stomach acid, take acid reducer, but don't take it everyday because it lowers nutrient absorption by your stomach. Take as needed.
is vit D deficiency something to do with lack of sunlight in Europe , US etc ??
and yes, chest pains, i have them sometimes after doing workout...
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Whey protien is not bad for you, just check the ingredients, make sure it is halal. if u want to bulk up, u need the protien. Also eat 4-5 times a day, smaller meals, more protien, but eat more often, make sure ur body always has energy.To stop putting on fat, google a system called carb cycling. I've not used it myself, but it worked well for an ex colleague, he maintained his strength and muscle mass but cut down his body fat using it.
another issue with whey is that there is a lot of 2 number stuff here in pak... i mean, here we have your average glaxose D colored brown with all that fancy packings to make it look it the real stuff,,,
bottom line, you need to know where to buy the right stuff in Pakistan...
( i asked my gym trainer about the real whey thing, and even he wasn't telling me where to shop for it
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another issue with whey is that there is a lot of 2 number stuff here in pak... i mean, here we have your average glaxose D colored brown with all that fancy packings to make it look it the real stuff,,,
bottom line, you need to know where to buy the right stuff in Pakistan...
( i asked my gym trainer about the real whey thing, and even he wasn't telling me where to shop for it )
bottom line, you need to know where to buy the right stuff in Pakistan...
( i asked my gym trainer about the real whey thing, and even he wasn't telling me where to shop for it
)Whey protein would also give you spots, lots of them all over the body that’s one side effect you will notice immediately, some people are immune to it thou. Steroids of course will increase the estrogens and will give you m00bs (man boobs) later on in life. there is absolutely no way of knowing if that the protein from Pakistan is good quality unless ofcourse you try it out yourself, same situation here in britain (acne the main sideeffect) and also that every body has a different reaction from the same intake, what’s why we have different bodies yet more or less same food intake. why not just try the old fashion way increase protien diet beef and lentils the best option.
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is vit D deficiency something to do with lack of sunlight in Europe , US etc ??
and yes, chest pains, i have them sometimes after doing workout...
and yes, chest pains, i have them sometimes after doing workout...
Yes Vitamin D deficiency is due to lack of sun exposure, especially in Europe, US (North), and Canada. Where I live 2 out 3 people are deficient. Its also due to lower amounts in nutrients found in the modern food supply and also lower absorption rates in the stomach due to stomach inflammation (from acid).
If you have chest pain only after workout it could be due to muscle strain in the chest or something more serious. To rule out stomach acid, next time you have chest pain, take a acid reducer (over the counter) and see if it helps. If not, I would check with your doctor to make sure its not your heart. Young people don't usually develop problems, except defects (like malfunctioning valve).
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another issue with whey is that there is a lot of 2 number stuff here in pak... i mean, here we have your average glaxose D colored brown with all that fancy packings to make it look it the real stuff,,,
bottom line, you need to know where to buy the right stuff in Pakistan...
bottom line, you need to know where to buy the right stuff in Pakistan...
Well i have used whey (different brands) a couple of times(when i had extra cash).I bought it in pindi as i live near it.However, it is expensive as hell. I can't afford it anymore. It does help you in getting extra protein without the excess calories. I faced some problems pooping so i also included additional fibers (ispaghol e.t.c) in my diet.
I am also not free nowadays(due to job) and i can't exercise much. However, i now workout at home and use milk, whole eggs plus egg whites in addition to regular regular meals.
If you have the money try buying optimum nutrition products from a local good store( the price starts from 3800 PKR up to 10,000 PKR plus depending on size of the pack).But they are very expensive in Pakistan as the price charged by the stores includes the shipping charges too.
http://www.optimumnu...dard-p-201.html
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Well i have used whey (different brands) a couple of times(when i had extra cash).I bought it in pindi as i live near it.However, it is expensive as hell. I can't afford it anymore. It does help you in getting extra protein without the excess calories. I faced some problems pooping so i also included additional fibers (ispaghol e.t.c) in my diet.
I am also not free nowadays(due to job) and i can't exercise much. However, i now workout at home and use milk, whole eggs plus egg whites in addition to regular regular meals.
If you have the money try buying optimum nutrition products from a local good store( the price starts from 3800 PKR up to 10,000 PKR plus depending on size of the pack).But they are very expensive in Pakistan as the price charged by the stores includes the shipping charges too.
http://www.optimumnu...dard-p-201.html
I am also not free nowadays(due to job) and i can't exercise much. However, i now workout at home and use milk, whole eggs plus egg whites in addition to regular regular meals.
If you have the money try buying optimum nutrition products from a local good store( the price starts from 3800 PKR up to 10,000 PKR plus depending on size of the pack).But they are very expensive in Pakistan as the price charged by the stores includes the shipping charges too.
http://www.optimumnu...dard-p-201.html
Just one question .... Is Whey Protein Halal
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Just one question .... Is Whey Protein Halal
Some are, many are not. I am not sure about optimum nutrition as i bought it once and at that time i did not see the details(just like we forget to see the back of the imported chocolates to check whether they are halal or haram).
You have to look for "K" (Kosher) sign. You can use soy protein powder if you really want some other supplement(i bought it once and it was ok). Some say that soy is not good for men but i am not sure (the chinese use soy milk and they are doing fine).
This is why i now stick to milk( powdered milk like Nido,Millac is cheaper than packaged milk from nestle and olpers),eggs (1 whole plus a few egg whites) along with regular food (lentils,beans, chicken e.t.c).
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Just one question .... Is Whey Protein Halal
Whey or milk plasma is the liquid remaining after milk has been curdled and strained. It is a by-product of the manufacture of cheese.
Whey comes from milk, no question or halal or not, although I would stay away from "sweet whey".
Stay away from soy, people eat too much soy based ingredients/products these days. It seems like every product has soy derived products in it. (e.g. soy lechitin, It’s in the top 10 most used ingredients in processed foods.)
Soy is high in phytic acids which results in low absorption of certain minerals and vitamins.
The level of phytoestrogen is high in soy milk, which decreases the testesterone present in the male body. It also affects the production of sperm. Phytoestrogen also leads to early puberty and early developments of adolescents. These are a few of the soy milk dangers for men.
A little soy won't do anything to you, but the problem becomes a huge amount of soy consumption is taking place. Even cattle is soy fed these days. Soy is not a natural food for cows, grass is.
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Some are, many are not. I am not sure about optimum nutrition as i bought it once and at that time i did not see the details(just like we forget to see the back of the imported chocolates to check whether they are halal or haram).
You have to look for "K" (Kosher) sign. You can use soy protein powder if you really want some other supplement(i bought it once and it was ok). Some say that soy is not good for men but i am not sure (the chinese use soy milk and they are doing fine).
This is why i now stick to milk( powdered milk like Nido,Millac is cheaper than packaged milk from nestle and olpers),eggs (1 whole plus a few egg whites) along with regular food (lentils,beans, chicken e.t.c).
You have to look for "K" (Kosher) sign. You can use soy protein powder if you really want some other supplement(i bought it once and it was ok). Some say that soy is not good for men but i am not sure (the chinese use soy milk and they are doing fine).
This is why i now stick to milk( powdered milk like Nido,Millac is cheaper than packaged milk from nestle and olpers),eggs (1 whole plus a few egg whites) along with regular food (lentils,beans, chicken e.t.c).
Not Sure about Kosher (K) and i have read reviews of Optimum Whey Protein thats top of the line , but not sure it has K on it , you have used it does it has K or which brand carry K .....
Thanks
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Not Sure about Kosher (K) and i have read reviews of Optimum Whey Protein thats top of the line , but not sure it has K on it , you have used it does it has K or which brand carry K ....
Honestly speaking i did not read the ingredients thoroughly (i assumed it to be halal as it was widely available in Pakistani cities just like imported chocolates and other foreign consumables in high end stores). I bought it once back in early 2010. I also bought whey powder made by Dymatize back in 2009 but again i did not read the ingredients thoroughly as the companies do not mention whether they are using sweet whey or acid whey.
You can read the ingredients here:
http://www.bodybuild...e/opt/whey.html
http://www.bodybuild...itenatural.html
After some searching i found on a blog that there is one product that is halal certified.It is called ultimate nutrition Prostar 100% Whey Protein (Only NATURAL flavor is Halal for consumption by Muslims).
http://alfiantroxion...-status-of.html
http://4.bp.blogspot... halal cert.PNG
http://www.bodybuild...ey-protein.html
You can also opt for egg protein powder if you really really want to use supplements instead of natural products.Many of them don't contain whey.
http://www.bodybuild...re/opt/egg.html
http://www.bodybuild.../store/egg.html
My goal was to build my muscles for basketball quickly, i now stick to natural products as i am out of university life and my needs are being met by natural food.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:52 AM
nearly two years since i started this thread and i asked members opinion about whey protein for workout
i started taking Optimum nutrition Platinum hydrowhey and 100percent gold standard whey
i do intense 1 hr weight training and aim for lean muscle mass and slight bulk,
i take one scoop post work out and one pre sleep, the results are good, i have made immense strength gains lean muscle, however,to put more mass, i suggest stuffing bananas and yougurt in your whey shake
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exercise
pullups, chin-ups, work best for upper body ( + bench press for blasting the chest )
lower body>, squats, goblet squats
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you forgot to add multi vitamins , very important in the gym regime ,,
i started taking Optimum nutrition Platinum hydrowhey and 100percent gold standard whey
i do intense 1 hr weight training and aim for lean muscle mass and slight bulk,
i take one scoop post work out and one pre sleep, the results are good, i have made immense strength gains lean muscle, however,to put more mass, i suggest stuffing bananas and yougurt in your whey shake
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exercise
pullups, chin-ups, work best for upper body ( + bench press for blasting the chest )
lower body>, squats, goblet squats
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krad
you forgot to add multi vitamins , very important in the gym regime ,,
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eggs are good source of protein post workout but they take a toll on your digestion system and cause groginess ( atleast to me )
whey is a good instant source of protein supplement
whey is a good instant source of protein supplement
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Well I have advice on weight loss... but i think many people hear seem to be interested in gaining not loosing.
I lost about 10-14 kg in two months.
w/salaam
Well I have advice on weight loss... but i think many people hear seem to be interested in gaining not loosing.
I lost about 10-14 kg in two months. w/salaam
In case I forgot here is it is... Asalaamualikum
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Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."
the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”
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"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)
Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]
Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]
Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."
the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”
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Well I have advice on weight loss... but i think many people hear seem to be interested in gaining not loosing.
w/salaam
i'd be interested--not that i'm fat, i'm just curious about the sheer weight you've shed in the short time and it's potential implications on overall health safety, in other words my interest is piqued academically.
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WHILE THE WRONG AND SHAME ENDURE.
TO BE WITHOUT SIGHT OR SENSE IS A MOST HAPPY CHANGE FOR ME,
THEREFORE DO NOT ROUSE ME. HUSH! SPEAK LOW.
I said to God "I hate Life" God replied "Who asked you to love life? Just Love me & life will be beautiful"
Living in favorable and unfavorable conditions is PART of living. Smiling in all those conditions is ART of living.
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Plz tell me, I am interested in loosing about that much weight in given amount of time. I have recently joined a 24/7 gym.Aoa
Well I have advice on weight loss... but i think many people hear seem to be interested in gaining not loosing.
w/salaam
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A few years ago I lost almost 10kg in 1 month. It was Ramazan, and in Sehri I just used to drink water and eat a few dates, and in Iftar I used to eat a regular meal and then eat nothing more at night.
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SB - Thats more like loosing water retention in fats and body which you gain back in no time again , loosing weight with exercise or workout is better , lets see what noxiouspython has to say....
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Well, I was about 84-85 kg and am about 183cms.
I used weights but I found that it doesn't help loose weight - you gain strength though. So I started cardio - used treadmill. I had the whole apparatus in my room - so wouldn't have any excuse to not exercise.
My diet when weight training was well not too scientific. I just ate a lot, parathas, meat, eggs, milkshake etc. Anything and everything. Obviously, the lack of weight loss had something to do with my diet also. hehe.
Then I decided to start body-weight exercises. Stopped the weight thing. Pull ups (chin up), push ups etc. I could do some push-ups, I used to do about a 100 and 120 a day (40 at a time normally back in the day) so was able to do 20 to 30 in two three sets. hehe but never did pull ups so they were hard. But I managed about 10-12 pull ups in one go. I tried skipping but I couldn't get the hang of it. However, running on the treadmill had the most effect in kicking off the weight. I am not fat but I had ... love handles (hate the bastards) so I wanted to loose weight first then move on to muscle building. Also 45-50 squats and some other exercise I don't know the name of, the one where you jump up and open your arms and legs and form a x. Btw pull ups really do start to give results in terms of shape and strength much more quickly then weight training. (or at leat until you level out).
Also I used shaolin wieghts about 3-5kg each on arms and legs often.
Initially, I could run about 5mins on the treadmill before my vision started to go dark. hehe I can get obsessive sometimes just to see how much I can push myself. So I kept using the machine multiple times a day even though I found it hard. within a few weeks three four I was up to about an hour an 20 mins running. I had a stand put up right infront of my machine so I could watch something on my laptop as I exercised to get my mind off. Then an mouse came and went into the machine and cut some chewed on something and the machine started to malfunction. So I got it fixed but it happened multiple times. I put traps etc but the mouse seemed to be smart enough to avoid them - maybe the bait wasn't great. And along with that the light problem got intensified and I simply started to run outside.
It turns out there is a lot of difference between running on a treadmill and running outdoors. I could run about 10 to 15 mins max before I exhaustion forced me to stop. However, I would do it multiple times and at the end I was able to run about 35 mins without rest or stop and wouldn't even be short on breath. Distance wise it was about 8kms. I live in village and I would run from my village to the other village (our main village) after fajr and Isha. So I knew the distance. Sometimes even more then 3 times a day. So sometimes I would walk + run about 20kms in a day. People thought I was preparing for something. Pir nu pata nai ki ho gaya hai.
Also, my diet. The day I was supposed to start dieting I ate 5parathas 2eggs and some curry and milk in breakfast. So I felt quiet guilty after eating (as is the case with dieting even food makes you feel guilty). I quit it and came down to one roti in one day. I started to loose weight quiet fast, however, soon I started to feel quiet weak so I added one boiled egg as well. However, to control my hunger I would eat bananas. Like 8-12 a day, or drink water. Eventually, the hunger stopped bothering me as much.
The hunger thing would have been a bigger problem had I not tried something similar (but quiet extreme) a bit earlier. I lost about 3-4kg in about 4 days. I just stopped eating and would drink one glass of something sweet to keep the sugar level up.
Now for the results and consequences.
I was able to lose about 10-14kg.
I was able to increase my stamina alot. And it felt good. I felt healthy.
I started to have some serious problem with my knees slowly. I noticed the pain when i would sit in salat in tashahud. So I stopped. but it got worse so I went to a doc in National Hospital (DHA Lahore), and the doc said I had some water in my knees or something to that effect. He didn't check properly was preoccupied with something. (btw don't go there, that hospital is like a shop, filled with sales men and people there only to make money and it appears they don't care much for the quality of the service being provided. My friend had a similar experience. One would think expensive would ensure quality but you'd be wrong). Went to another doc who said he can't say anything before I get some tests done. Had that stuff done and he found there was nothing. He said my knee had to subjected to extra stress and muscles hadn't developed properly and I had pushed too hard and tendon something something. I am not a doctor.
He gave me some pain killers for the pain but I didn't take them. I wanted to see how I could fix it properly, since painkillers would only stop the pain but not solve the problem. A little pain shouldn't be a problem.
However, I sat in iteqaf in Qadsia (turns out it was Hafiz Saeeds Mosque hehe) and in the washrooms there obviously you had to sit down and it hurt like hell. I hadn't taken my phone and no painkillers even. And there you had to sit alot, for the bayans and stuff. So I tried something.
I am not for anything that isn't authentically proven in Islam. I had read recently about ruqyah and knew it was proven so tried it. Surah fatiha and surah falaq and surah naas and put my hand on my each knee. Three times and its been about a year I have not felt the pain or anything since.
The end. ()
Hope you can learn something from it. Btw I prefer not to exaggerate so I have tried to keep to what I know as facts.
And Allah knows best.
w/salaam
i'd be interested--not that i'm fat, i'm just curious about the sheer weight you've shed in the short time and it's potential implications on overall health safety, in other words my interest is piqued academically.
Well, I was about 84-85 kg and am about 183cms.
I used weights but I found that it doesn't help loose weight - you gain strength though. So I started cardio - used treadmill. I had the whole apparatus in my room - so wouldn't have any excuse to not exercise.
My diet when weight training was well not too scientific. I just ate a lot, parathas, meat, eggs, milkshake etc. Anything and everything. Obviously, the lack of weight loss had something to do with my diet also. hehe.
Then I decided to start body-weight exercises. Stopped the weight thing. Pull ups (chin up), push ups etc. I could do some push-ups, I used to do about a 100 and 120 a day (40 at a time normally back in the day) so was able to do 20 to 30 in two three sets. hehe but never did pull ups so they were hard. But I managed about 10-12 pull ups in one go. I tried skipping but I couldn't get the hang of it. However, running on the treadmill had the most effect in kicking off the weight. I am not fat but I had ... love handles (hate the bastards) so I wanted to loose weight first then move on to muscle building. Also 45-50 squats and some other exercise I don't know the name of, the one where you jump up and open your arms and legs and form a x. Btw pull ups really do start to give results in terms of shape and strength much more quickly then weight training. (or at leat until you level out).
Also I used shaolin wieghts about 3-5kg each on arms and legs often.
Initially, I could run about 5mins on the treadmill before my vision started to go dark. hehe I can get obsessive sometimes just to see how much I can push myself. So I kept using the machine multiple times a day even though I found it hard. within a few weeks three four I was up to about an hour an 20 mins running. I had a stand put up right infront of my machine so I could watch something on my laptop as I exercised to get my mind off. Then an mouse came and went into the machine and cut some chewed on something and the machine started to malfunction. So I got it fixed but it happened multiple times. I put traps etc but the mouse seemed to be smart enough to avoid them - maybe the bait wasn't great.
And along with that the light problem got intensified and I simply started to run outside. It turns out there is a lot of difference between running on a treadmill and running outdoors. I could run about 10 to 15 mins max before I exhaustion forced me to stop. However, I would do it multiple times and at the end I was able to run about 35 mins without rest or stop and wouldn't even be short on breath. Distance wise it was about 8kms. I live in village and I would run from my village to the other village (our main village) after fajr and Isha. So I knew the distance. Sometimes even more then 3 times a day. So sometimes I would walk + run about 20kms in a day. People thought I was preparing for something. Pir nu pata nai ki ho gaya hai.
Also, my diet. The day I was supposed to start dieting I ate 5parathas 2eggs and some curry and milk in breakfast. So I felt quiet guilty after eating (as is the case with dieting even food makes you feel guilty). I quit it and came down to one roti in one day. I started to loose weight quiet fast, however, soon I started to feel quiet weak so I added one boiled egg as well. However, to control my hunger I would eat bananas. Like 8-12 a day, or drink water. Eventually, the hunger stopped bothering me as much.
The hunger thing would have been a bigger problem had I not tried something similar (but quiet extreme) a bit earlier. I lost about 3-4kg in about 4 days. I just stopped eating and would drink one glass of something sweet to keep the sugar level up.
Now for the results and consequences.
I was able to lose about 10-14kg.
I was able to increase my stamina alot. And it felt good. I felt healthy.
I started to have some serious problem with my knees slowly. I noticed the pain when i would sit in salat in tashahud. So I stopped. but it got worse so I went to a doc in National Hospital (DHA Lahore), and the doc said I had some water in my knees or something to that effect. He didn't check properly was preoccupied with something. (btw don't go there, that hospital is like a shop, filled with sales men and people there only to make money and it appears they don't care much for the quality of the service being provided. My friend had a similar experience. One would think expensive would ensure quality but you'd be wrong). Went to another doc who said he can't say anything before I get some tests done. Had that stuff done and he found there was nothing. He said my knee had to subjected to extra stress and muscles hadn't developed properly and I had pushed too hard and tendon something something. I am not a doctor.
He gave me some pain killers for the pain but I didn't take them. I wanted to see how I could fix it properly, since painkillers would only stop the pain but not solve the problem. A little pain shouldn't be a problem.
However, I sat in iteqaf in Qadsia (turns out it was Hafiz Saeeds Mosque hehe) and in the washrooms there obviously you had to sit down and it hurt like hell. I hadn't taken my phone and no painkillers even. And there you had to sit alot, for the bayans and stuff. So I tried something.
I am not for anything that isn't authentically proven in Islam. I had read recently about ruqyah and knew it was proven so tried it. Surah fatiha and surah falaq and surah naas and put my hand on my each knee. Three times and its been about a year I have not felt the pain or anything since.
The end. (
)Hope you can learn something from it. Btw I prefer not to exaggerate so I have tried to keep to what I know as facts.
And Allah knows best.
w/salaam
In case I forgot here is it is... Asalaamualikum
"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)
Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]
Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]
Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."
the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”
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"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)
Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]
Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]
Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."
the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 06:33 PM
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Btw I have tried walking and/or running before also. I wanted to increase my stamina. I seem to make the same mistake every time, exercise too much to quickly. Once I would start to walk any time I was free, or doing something that could be done while walking or even in my room. I would walk upto five hours a day. And I once tried running but instead of joggers (cause who is going to go through the whole wearing socks and stuff - lazy I know) I would simply run in my Khairi, which had a hard sole and no cushion. In both cases within a week or two legs would start to hurt a lot. The difference being the when I did the excessive walking the muscles would hurt, but the running without proper foot gear on the road caused alot of knee pain. I couldn't sleep properly for about a week.
w/salaam
Btw I have tried walking and/or running before also. I wanted to increase my stamina. I seem to make the same mistake every time, exercise too much to quickly. Once I would start to walk any time I was free, or doing something that could be done while walking or even in my room. I would walk upto five hours a day. And I once tried running but instead of joggers (cause who is going to go through the whole wearing socks and stuff - lazy I know) I would simply run in my Khairi, which had a hard sole and no cushion. In both cases within a week or two legs would start to hurt a lot. The difference being the when I did the excessive walking the muscles would hurt, but the running without proper foot gear on the road caused alot of knee pain. I couldn't sleep properly for about a week.
w/salaam
In case I forgot here is it is... Asalaamualikum
"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)
Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]
Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]
Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."
the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”
islamqa.com
"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)
Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]
Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]
Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."
the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 06:38 PM
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btw when I lost 10-14kg weight, I wasn't actually aiming to loose that much. Once got used to the low diet and remaining hungry, it just became a habit. I had to control myself initially, however, with time it became normal for me to eat that much felt sufficient. Actually, I wasn't able to eat as I could previously as i would get full on 1.5 rotis and sometimes the gap would be more than 24hours. I just didn't feel hungry as much.
I suppose the saying that hunger and sleep can be increased or decreased greatly if you are willing to put in the effort.
w/salaam
btw when I lost 10-14kg weight, I wasn't actually aiming to loose that much. Once got used to the low diet and remaining hungry, it just became a habit. I had to control myself initially, however, with time it became normal for me to eat that much felt sufficient. Actually, I wasn't able to eat as I could previously as i would get full on 1.5 rotis and sometimes the gap would be more than 24hours. I just didn't feel hungry as much.
I suppose the saying that hunger and sleep can be increased or decreased greatly if you are willing to put in the effort.
w/salaam
In case I forgot here is it is... Asalaamualikum
"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)
Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]
Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]
Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."
the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”
islamqa.com
"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)
Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]
Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]
Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."
the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:22 AM
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Green tea - weight loss and cardio. How? Isn't it just tea?
Have you tried it?
w/salaam
Green tea - weight loss and cardio. How? Isn't it just tea?
Have you tried it?
w/salaam
In case I forgot here is it is... Asalaamualikum
"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)
Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]
Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]
Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."
the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”
islamqa.com
"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)
Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]
Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]
Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."
the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”
islamqa.com
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