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[2+2=?]

No South Asian state ‘can

match Pakistan missile technology’

Schezee Zaidi

ISLAMABAD: National goals can only be achieved through collective endeavours, said National Engineering and Scientific Commission (Nescom) Chairman Dr. Samar Mubarakmand.

He was speaking at a ceremony organised by the Old Ravians Association, Islamabad, to confer ‘Dr. Nazeer Ahmad Award of Excellence’ on him for his services in the field of science and technology. Renowned scientists, academics and scholars attended the ceremony.

Dr. Mubarakmand said that the successful tests of Shaheen and Babar missiles brings a new dimension to Pakistan’s defence system, which would not have been possible without concordant teamwork. He said "Now our scientists can develop whatever they aim at in the shortest time without consistent exogenous help." He said that no South Asian country could match Pakistan’s missile technology. He said that the nuclear tests have been the greatest and most momentous achievement in half-a-century old scientific life of Pakistan.

Remembering his student days at Government College, Lahore, he said that the valuable teachings of discipline helped shape up the personality of every student, inculcating mental strength and toughness to survive all odds and work as a team. To the delight of many eminent Ravians present on the occasion, Dr. Mubarakmand remembered "Chikkar Choley" and cutting down class tests on protest. Expressing his gratitude for the award, he said that it is named after the most respected and honoured teacher, Dr. Nazeer Ahmad, who was a role model for everyone.

Earlier, Momtaz Sheikh, general-secretary of the Old Ravians Association, Islamabad, said that the association wants to acknowledge the services of national heroes of Pakistan every year for their selfless services to the nation.
http://jang.com.pk/t...5/metro/i14.htm

[KonWare]

let me make it simple

India cannot match Pakistan Missile Technology

[Sharif Smuggler]

Nothing new... we already knew that!! Pakistan is way ahead of any other country in South Asia.

[jani]

smuggler shariff is again right no way india can match our missile system

[platinum786]

did an offcial need to say that?

[jani]

india cannot match Pakistan in missile technology

[forever9]

india cannot match Pakistan in missile technology

thanx GOD
for Granted us with his blessings

[ArjunMK1]

A poor copy of Tomahawk, sold to , is not required in India. She has more advanced missiles !!!

[Pathfinder]

A poor copy of Tomahawk, sold to , is not required in India. She has more advanced missiles !!! 

Must Admit You People Do An Imressive Paint Job. A poor Brahmos copied god knows where probaly up DODO ass and couple of tin of paint. thats indian brahmos for thy

[2+2=?]

A poor copy of Tomahawk, sold to , is not required in India. She has more advanced missiles !!! 

What are you talking about that missile sheild again cause last time i checked Pakistan was one of the FOUR countries that can make a cruise missile.And those four countries DO NOT include india.Your so called bhromas is a failure even if ruissa helped you maked it.Your navy is only buying some where 18 of those shhity missiles while no answe has came from your army or air force about buying the missiles.Ad Pakistan will also be testing a another missile in a few days

[KonWare]

As Brahmos has come in discussion .

I personally have some reservation calling BIndian Brahmos ( Copy of Russian Yakonant ) a Cruise Missile .

A Cruise Missile is one which flies very low to ground + it is undetected by radars (mostly) + it overcomes obstacles b/w its target .

When we look at Brahmos , it flies above the ground , causing it to be detected ... n the question of obstacle never comes in to play being above ground .

I don't know why BIndian Call Brahmos a Cruise Missile , in my view it is a SuperSonic Missile ( n that is it ) .

n BIndians having Advance Missile Technology !!!!!!! it is a JOKE .
Indians a way behind in Missile n Nuclear Technology from Pakistan .


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[Magnus]

Lolz both Pakistan and India buy stuff from Russia and China and then make prepostrous statements of unmatched technology .

I hate this game of OVERSTATEMENTS from both . And i admire the intrepidation with which white lies are spread to the masses .

These poor scientists become pawns of the political strata and later you hear Dr Qadeer the 'Bomb maker' one year and 'Dr Qadeer the 'Bomb seller ' the other ..

[CAPTAIN-JI]

No doubt Usman...If you take budget ratio on arm spending in third world, you will find india and Pakistan top of the list. Both china and russia selling this metal scrap to india and Pakistan and making us proud to have those junk with lot of exggerated qualities......

[Munir]

Lolz both Pakistan and India buy stuff from Russia and China and then make prepostrous statements of unmatched technology .

I hate this game of OVERSTATEMENTS from both . And i admire the intrepidation with which white lies are spread to the masses .

These poor scientists become pawns of the political strata and later you hear Dr Qadeer the 'Bomb maker' one year and 'Dr Qadeer the 'Bomb seller ' the other ..

truth indeed... But the fact that Qadeer is just a mettalurgic engineer and knows zero about atomic bombs is just extra. The guys knows how to make uranium more pure by using electrical centrifuges... That is all...

[Mig29Lover]

Lolz both Pakistan and India buy stuff from Russia and China and then make prepostrous statements of unmatched technology .

I hate this game of OVERSTATEMENTS from both . And i admire the intrepidation with which white lies are spread to the masses .

These poor scientists become pawns of the political strata and later you hear Dr Qadeer the 'Bomb maker' one year and 'Dr Qadeer the 'Bomb seller ' the other ..

[abbas.razza.khan]

i dont know yaar .. india is getting help from russia and israel and we are from china .. so is china missile better than russia and israel?

but still we have and we can and will nuke india if they be a problem to us .. god bless! peace!

[2+2=?]

i dont know yaar .. india is getting help from russia and israel and we are from china .. so is china missile better than russia and israel?

but still we have and we can and will nuke india if they be a problem to us .. god bless! peace!

But you forget that china gets their tech from ruissa and maybe isreal, only china makes it better for pak and china to use

[MoThSmOkE]

Its a pretty damn difficult job getting the inner workings of the tomahawk.

Its more like a blackbox, a certain input results in a certain output. But nobody knows how the damn thing processes the input. Think of it like an EXE file. On top of that, you get all those tampering proof code and algorithm written on top of it.

Cruise missile is more to do with software than hardware. My best guess is Pakistan developed the codes, and got some help from China and Ukraine. As for the architecture of the missile, tomahawk came in handy, and the engine part, we had the Nishan UAV tested a year or so ago and plus some bonus from tomahawk.

[MrBond]

As for the architecture of the missile, tomahawk came in handy, and the engine part, we had the Nishan UAV tested a year or so ago and plus some bonus from tomahawk.

About the engine for Nishan UAV. Where did the engine come from, guys, and was it a turbojet or a turbofan? I would love to know the specs of Nishan and Babur's engines, i.e. thrust.

[Wing_Man]

A poor copy of Tomahawk, sold to , is not required in India. She has more advanced missiles !!! 

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[Wing_Man]

A poor copy of Tomahawk, sold to , is not required in India. She has more advanced missiles !!! 

OOOOOOOOO GREAT LORD PHD IN AEROSPACE ENGINEERING (NUKLE HEAD) WOULD U PLZ PROVIDE A LINK WHICH DETAILS ABT CHINESE HAVING A SIMILAR MISSILE IN THEIR ARSENAL BEFORE UTTERING SUCH WORDS OF WISDOM

[Saqr]

India. She has more advanced missiles !!! 

India has condoms with DODO rockets you mean.

[leuitenentcolonel]

yeah surely no one can match our missile tech specially india is highlighted

but yes v cant match dodo condoms that are specially made to stay sealed during erection to prevent high pace population growth

[Tiberia]

let me make it simple for you...
here what the world says about pak's nukes and missiles...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3340687/

By Robert Windrem and Tammy Kupperman
NBC News
Updated: 10:35 a.m. ET Oct. 24, 2003

WASHINGTON, June 6 - Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal is vastly superior to that of rival India, with up to five times the nuclear warheads, say U.S. military and intelligence officials now reassessing the South Asian balance of power. Interviews with senior U.S. officials in the past week revealed the view that Pakistan not only has more warheads than its longtime adversary, but has far more capability to actually use them.

NUCLEAR WEAPONS TESTS by India and Pakistan in May 1998 caught American intelligence off guard. While U.S. agencies long had known about weapons-development research in both countries, the decision by both to go public with their capabilities shocked policymakers.

Since then, U.S. intelligence and diplomacy has focused on South Asia with a new intensity. Until recently, for instance, Pakistan was considered to have somewhere between 10 and 15 nuclear weapons and India between 25 and 100.

But after two years of intelligence gathering, officials now believe those figures overstate the capabilities of India’s home-grown arsenal and understate those of Pakistan, whose program has relied on generous Chinese assistance. One official said the Pakistanis “are more likely to have those numbers [25 to 100 weapons] than the Indians.”

Perhaps most important, the official said, is that Pakistan appears far more capable than India of delivering nuclear payloads. “I don’t think their [the Indian] program is as advanced as the Paks,” the official said, speaking particularly of ballistic missiles.

Marine Corps Gen. Anthony Zinni, commander of the U.S. Central Command, said longtime assumptions that India had an edge in the South Asian strategic balance of power were questionable, at best.

“Don’t assume that the Pakistani nuclear capability is inferior to the Indians,” said Zinni, the senior U.S. officer responsible for the Middle East and South Asia.

Other military and intelligence officials, as well as an intelligence analysis of South Asia’s nuclear balance obtained by NBC News, shed more light on the revised view. NBC News is the broadcast partner of the MSNBC.com joint venture.

“They both have a capability,” said one senior military official. “Pakistan’s may be better than India’s, with more weapons and more capability.

“You can’t underestimate the Pakistani program,” said the official. Like most of the officials NBC News contacted, this one would speak only on condition of anonymity.

DOCUMENTS SUPPORT REVISED VIEW

India country profile
These officials believe India understands that it is behind. A recent Defense Department analysis of the Indian program obtained by MSNBC.com states that India is moving to address its shortcomings.

Quoting India’s recently publicized draft nuclear doctrine, the Defense Department report said that “India announced its plans to develop a minimum nuclear deterrent force comprised of a triad of nuclear delivery systems - air, mobile land-based launches and sea-based platforms. The air component of its triad is the only one that may be in place already.”

The U.S. report also states that “India probably has a handful of nuclear bombs,” meaning about five. With regard to delivery systems - the missiles and bombers needed to launch a nuclear strike - U.S. officials now believe Indian capabilities to be seriously lagging.

According to the Defense Department document, which is unclassified, India has no nuclear-capable missiles and fewer aircraft capable of delivering a nuclear payload than Pakistan does. India has twice tested a new intermediate-ranged missile, the Agni, which may eventually provide the basis of a nuclear missile force. However, current U.S. analysis suggests the Agni will not be fielded with nuclear warheads for another 10 years. Additionally, India appears to only have begun work on missile warhead design and on the miniaturization of weapons - two critical hurdles to the actual use of weapons.

InsertArt(891823)The U.S. assessment of Pakistan, on the other hand, has been greatly upgraded.

A U.S. official stated that Pakistani air and missile delivery systems are now believed to be “fully capable of a nuclear exchange if something happens.” Other officials noted that Pakistan’s air force, with its U.S. F-16’s and its French Mirage fighter-bombers, are superior at penetrating enemy airspace than India’s Soviet-designed MiGs and Sukhois.

Most importantly, Pakistan is now thought to possess about 30 nuclear-capable missiles: the Chinese M-11 short-range missile and its Pakistani variant, the Tarmuk, as well as the North Korean Nodong intermediate-range missile (known locally as the Ghauri).

HAIR-TRIGGER CONCERN

The mystery that shrouds both of these growing nuclear arsenals has become a major cause for concern among U.S. policymakers, who even before the 1998 tests had deemed South Asia the most likely site of a nuclear war. According to one analysis done by the U.S. Air Force, more than 150 million Indians and Pakistanis could perish in an all-out nuclear exchange - three times the total number of people who died in World War II.

One frequently cited fear among U.S. intelligence officials is an accidental nuclear war in which Pakistan mistakes the firing of an Indian missile bearing a conventional warhead as a nuclear strike.

Despite what appears to be a healthy fear of the other on both sides, the United States still fears there could be a series of crises that lead to something worse. Last year’s Pakistani incursion in the Kargil area of Kashmir, the disputed Muslim territory controlled by India, is a good example of the region’s unpredictability.

InsertArt(891821)“Kargil scared both sides,” Zinni said. “There is usually a gentleman’s agreement to keep conflict around the Line of Control,” he said, referring to the U.N. cease-fire line set after the two nations’ 1947 war over the region. “It escalated with mobilizations on different fronts - tit for tat. Both sides are now very concerned about how escalation works and how it could happen very quickly.”

Zinni said the United States intervened in the “nick of time” with Kargil. The United States doesn’t exert much influence on the daily level of fighting, but a senior military official does believe that Washington has some sway in terms of escalation because neither side really wants an all-out war, despite some hard-liners on both side who publicly claim they want to bring the issue to a head.

NBC News’ Tammy Kupperman is based at the Pentagon. Robert Windrem is an NBC News investigative producer based in New York.

© 2005 MSNBC Interactive

[safdar]

Yep. I agree, little bit from me as well.

Pakistan began its domestic missile program in the early 1980s and, within a decade, had tested two missiles that it claimed were produced domestically. Since then, Pakistan has established a relatively advanced production capacity vis-à-vis other developing countries in a relatively short period of time. beginning without an extensive domestic science and technology base, Pakistan has acquired these missile capabilities quite rapidly then other neighbouring countries (1)


(1)See Rumsfeld Commission report, p. 16.

[Aashraf]

Must Admit You People Do An Imressive Paint Job. A poor Brahmos copied god knows where probaly up DODO ass and couple of tin of paint. thats indian brahmos for thy

It must be reasoned by you, as to why the Yakhont missile system was not offered for direct sale to India, instead of the joint development of the Brahmos missile system in a 50.5-49.5 joint venture by India and Russia respectively.

The following is a part of the article on the contribution made by India to the development of the Brahmos missile:

"Its another outstanding feature is that it is highly accurate and can be guided to its target mainly with the help of an onboard computer. This has been established by the test-flight. The computer and the guidance system have been designed by India whereas Russia has provided the propulsion system."

The above information is mentioned in the article whose link is as follows:
http://www.globalsec...dia/brahmos.htm

"The contribution made by India has been the development of the onboard guidance systems, onboard computer, electronics, fire control system, software and some parts of the propulsion system upon Russia's contribution of the active radar seeker and the liquid fuel ramjet engine" [essentially the frame of the Yakhont].

The above is from the article whose link is as follows:
http://www.acig.org/...ticle_418.shtml

Since then, Pakistan has established a relatively advanced production capacity vis-à-vis other developing countries in a relatively short period of time. beginning without an extensive domestic science and technology base, Pakistan has acquired these missile capabilities quite rapidly then other neighbouring countries

Upon reference to websites of FAS.org or globalsecurity.org, the mention of the Shaeen and Ghauri series of missiles being based mostly on the M-11 and No-Dong series of missiles of China and North Korea is mentioned.

Reference to no external influence in the design of the Agni and Prithvi series of missiles of India is found on any neutral analysis for the same on FAS.org or globalsecurity.org.

Besides, the development of advanced SAM systems such as the medium range Akash, the 3-beam guidance short range SAM Trishul, or the BVRAAM Astra has not been undertaken or is being undertaken by Pakistan.

Complete reliance on foreign imports is done by Pakistan for the above requirements of missiles.

It can thus be concluded that the missile program of India is more comprehensive and more advanced than the missile program of Pakistan.

[Wing_Man]

It can thus be concluded that the missile program of India is more comprehensive and more advanced than the missile program of Pakistan.

AGREED OK ALL OF U SHUT UP DONT U KNOW WHO HAS WRITTEN THIS MR ASHRAFS ANALYSIS R ALWAYS COMPREHENSIVE N MIND BLOWING. ALL THE CLAIMS ABOUT Pakistan MISSILE TECHNOLOGY BEING SUPERIOR TO INDIA MADE BY INTERNATIONAL MEDIA IN BBC AND CNN R BOGUS N DUM. HOW DARE THEY WHAT THESE CNN , BBC GUYS THINK THEY R INDIANS R THE BEST WE R THE NO 1. OUR ANALYSIS LIKE MR ASHRAFS ONE IS BASED ON FACTS. ALL THE STRATEGIC INSTITUTIONS WORLD WIDE R JUST PIECES OF ####. NOW MR ASHRAF WE SHOULD ALSO FIX SOME MORE TARGETS THAT HAVE BEEN LEFT

FIRST WE HAVE TO CROSS CHINA IN POPULATION

WE HAVE SUCCEEDED SUCCESSFULLY AS BEING HOME TO THE 3/4 OF WORLD POOREST

WE R RAGING AHEAD N DEFINITELY CROSS AFRICA CONCERNING AIDS

HOW DARE THEY WE R NUMBER ONE N UR ANALYSIS MR ASHRAF ITS ROKIN EVERY ONE ELSE THE INTERNATIONAL MEDIA SHOULD GO TO HELL N DO THEIR HOMEWORK

[mss_TheRock]

A poor copy of Tomahawk, sold to , is not required in India. She has more advanced missiles !!! 

yaaaa...u don neeed missiles that out class ur peice of russian scrap metal u
u need tht SHIELD descirbed in teh hindustan Times whichh has teh capability to SEND PAKSITANI MISSILES BACK INTO PASKSTAN ....forgotten already " DODOs secret PROJECT"

[forever9]

let me make it simple for you...
here what the world says about pak's nukes and missiles...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3340687/

[Wing_Man]

A poor copy of Tomahawk, sold to , is not required in India. She has more advanced missiles !!! 

look whoz talkin the one who him self is a failed project

[kashm]

look whoz talkin the one who him self is a failed project  

Have you seen any country which declares a missile operational for air force, navy, and army with one single test?

Pakistan!

It must be leader in technology for how else can missiles be operational without testing.

Well except when they are imported. But everyone knows Pakistan doesn't import and repaint/ rename them. So no one can match Pak in missile tech.

[KHK]

Have you seen any country which declares a missile operational for air force, navy, and army with one single test?

Pakistan!

It must be leader in technology for how else can missiles be operational without testing.

Well except when they are imported. But everyone knows Pakistan doesn't import and repaint/ rename them. So no one can match Pak in missile tech.

Are you referring to Babur? Dude you are right on. Babur is a cruise missile which Pakistan overnight inducted into Army, Navy, and Airforce. One test and Pakistan is done. Here look at Indian, Israeli, US, Russian, Chinese missiles, some of them have been tested over 30 times. Many of them fail the tests as well.

Since Allah is with Pakistan, Pakistan's missiles never fail. Pakistan doesn't need to test its missiles!

[faizan khaliq]

baley baley

[Lightning F57]

Are you referring to Babur? Dude you are right on. Babur is a cruise missile which Pakistan overnight inducted into Army, Navy, and Airforce. One test and Pakistan is done. Here look at Indian, Israeli, US, Russian, Chinese missiles, some of them have been tested over 30 times. Many of them fail the tests as well.

Since Allah is with Pakistan, Pakistan's missiles never fail. Pakistan doesn't need to test its missiles!

This argument is getting rather boring now, obviously the babur has been tested a number of times before, this was the official test, and guess what it fell on Musharaffs birthday, a present to him. Now they wouldnt test something for the first time if there was big chances of a failure.

As for inducted in all branches of the military well that will take time, its most likly in production now all tests must of been completed quite a long while back.

[platinum786]

look at these losers claim it's a cheap tomohawk copy and thier brahmos is better....

this missile if it is a tomohawk copy is a proven system, the same can't be said for the russian cr@p u have.

[NoLimit]

Well, I wouldn't been too concerned about who has better missiles or nuclear warheads..

The fact is that both India and Pakistan have the ability to destroy itself. If anyone decides to use the nuclear option, it means mutual destruction of two countries with alot of potential..

Whether Pakistan can destroy India better or India can destroy Pakistan better is irrelevant because we know either way, both countries would be up in smoke..

If India and Pakistan are to compete in the new world stage, it's going to be the in economic and technological progress in the civilian sector...

If I looked at India's progress in the civilian space program, India is far far ahead of Pakistan. India lanches satellites commercially, and is sending a mission to the moon in 2008.. What about Pakistan? No, I not taunting Pakistanis.. But if you want to compete with us, have good healthy competition.. let's do it in an area that can benefit our populations

[hamla_bol]

Well, I wouldn't been too concerned about who has better missiles or nuclear warheads..

The fact is that both India and Pakistan have the ability to destroy itself. If anyone decides to use the nuclear option, it means mutual destruction of two countries with alot of potential..

Whether Pakistan can destroy India better or India can destroy Pakistan better is irrelevant because we know either way, both countries would be up in smoke..

If India and Pakistan are to compete in the new world stage, it's going to be the in economic and technological progress in the civilian sector...

If I looked at India's progress in the civilian space program, India is far far ahead of Pakistan. India lanches satellites commercially, and is sending a mission to the moon in 2008.. What about Pakistan? No, I not taunting Pakistanis.. But if you want to compete with us, have good healthy competition.. let's do it in an area that can benefit our populations

I think we Pakistanis should take up this challenge! We have nuclear weapons, but one can't buy respect just with nuclear weapons.

Russia too has nuclear weapons, but after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia lost its sheen inspite of its weapons. Russia has regained respect again, because Russian economy is back on track, and oil is again filling its coffers. Russian economy has given Russia new respect, and not nuclear weapons. North Koreans have nuclear weapons, but their people die of hunger. Does anybody in the world give North Koreans respect?!

Nuclear weapons have prestige only if they are there to secure a people enjoying a thriving economy!

We should compete with India on economy and technology, and leave this war-mongering madness behind!

[maglomanic]

Are you referring to Babur? Dude you are right on. Babur is a cruise missile which Pakistan overnight inducted into Army, Navy, and Airforce. One test and Pakistan is done. Here look at Indian, Israeli, US, Russian, Chinese missiles, some of them have been tested over 30 times. Many of them fail the tests as well.

Since Allah is with Pakistan, Pakistan's missiles never fail. Pakistan doesn't need to test its missiles!

Yep Allah is with us and we don't believe in talking out of our asses as well. How are you so sure that it was the first test?? Do you really think it's necessary for Pakistan to test infront of media every time they have to test?? Maybe they just tested it many times before but never revealed it. Hint Hint learn something from them.

[Dizasta]

i dont know yaar .. india is getting help from russia and israel and we are from china .. so is china missile better than russia and israel?

but still we have and we can and will nuke india if they be a problem to us .. god bless! peace!

Guess whose helping China??? Wanna know ..... its Russia and Israel!!!!

[trident]

Well, I wouldn't been too concerned about who has better missiles or nuclear warheads..

The fact is that both India and Pakistan have the ability to destroy itself. If anyone decides to use the nuclear option, it means mutual destruction of two countries with alot of potential..

Whether Pakistan can destroy India better or India can destroy Pakistan better is irrelevant because we know either way, both countries would be up in smoke..

If India and Pakistan are to compete in the new world stage, it's going to be the in economic and technological progress in the civilian sector...

If I looked at India's progress in the civilian space program, India is far far ahead of Pakistan. India lanches satellites commercially, and is sending a mission to the moon in 2008.. What about Pakistan? No, I not taunting Pakistanis.. But if you want to compete with us, have good healthy competition.. let's do it in an area that can benefit our populations

Well said NoLimit. whatever weapons we probuce(even though with joint colloboration and some indigenous),they say we are good at paint job.well they dont know the fact that they are second to none in paint job.Whatever weapon system (mostly missiles) they produce there will be chinese mark in it atleast to some extent and they boast everything is made indigineously.Chinese are spoon-feeding them.
While they could produce missiles indiginously, why couldnot they launch their satillites with their own sounding rockets.They have no access to rocket technology.But one day they will certainly get that from china and say INDIGENOUS.Once Musharaff was saying thaT pak is years ahead of india in space program.Does he really know what space program is???
It's absolutely ridiculuos.
Regards,
Trident