Why Was President Zia -ul -haq Killed Options

[surya]

The title says it all..i was just wondering why did President zia -ul -haq die and was he killed? or was it an accident

[sam72]

I think so it was the job of Indian Intelligence Service.

[PakistanSSG]

Ask benazir bhutto

[surya]

I think so it was the job of Indian Intelligence Service.

dont think so because if i remember right ..the ambassador to the US or some high ranking US official died..indian wouldnt be able to risk that!!!!

[sam72]

like U.S. calls it- COLLATERAL DAMAGE

[halfemtysoul]

indian agency??! lmfao, quit dreamin man. seriously.

There are alot of different theories about it, involving the CIA, the KGB and even teh ISI, all had their reasons, but then again there all theories, its still a mystery.

[rahul0072002]

There are alot of different theories about it, involving the CIA, the KGB and even teh ISI, all had their reasons, but then again there all theories, its still a mystery.

I second that. There can be no "final" conclusion on how the plane crashed.

[jupiter]

American used Pakistani Gen Beg to have Gen Zia killed,
Gen Zia was going to bring Communism to Pakistan

[Paguma Larvata]

American used Pakistani Gen Beg to have Gen Zia killed,
Gen Zia was going to bring Communism to Pakistan

WTF, he was the one who stopped communism and you are saying he was bringing it to Pakistan :huh:

[sam72]

GenZia was gonna bring communism to Pakistan :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Jupiter where do you get your info.from :lol: GenZia was in favour of Islamic fundamentalism,what makes you think he was gonna bring communism to Pakistan :lol: :lol: and as far as the hand of RAW is concerned thats a possibility,it just cant be ruled out.

[surya]

i am surprised..one of the high profile intelligence agency ISI controls pakistan and we still don t know the truth.... kind of real surprising...

[akacyclops]

I think so it was the job of Indian Intelligence Service.

HA. Indian intelligence. :lol: :lol: :lol: There is no such thing. India isnt capable of pulling such stunts. Soch kar bola kar dhakan.

[akacyclops]

The title says it all..i was just wondering why did President zia -ul -haq die and was he killed? or was it an accident

Heres one conspiracy theory:


http://www.pakarmy.8k.com/report.htm

[SAMan]

i heard he was trying to get in to talks with india regarding kashmir! thats one good reason to kill him even if he's a dictator!!

[PakiPatriot]

i am surprised..one of the high profile intelligence agency ISI controls pakistan and we still don t know the truth.... kind of real surprising...

could be that ISI killed him...that's why we dont know the truth

[PakiPatriot]

one theory was that Bhutto's brother got him killed....its kinda impossible though....how would he be able to do it?
anybody? :unsure:

[Humza K]

I think so it was the job of Indian Intelligence Service.

No, never, Indian intelligence can't even start an insurgency in already rebelious Kashmir, assinating a Military President is way off. This was done by the KGB with the help of the "sympathizers" also known as the the PPP, Benzir Bhuto. This happened because the Russians knew that they had been master-minding the supplies to the Mujahideen, and even volunteering Officers from the Pakistani Army to assist the Mujahids in tactics.

The Communist official, when he was leaving Kabul, specifically said he would be taught a lesson for what he has done.

There is a very high chance of American involvment, but no one is certian. Read, "War on top of the World" by Eric Margolis for complete information and references.

[halfemtysoul]

dude the KGB wouldve been involved, but the US couldve been involved aswell, what jupiter meant was that Zia wanted fundamentals in pakistan (to use totalitarionism cloaqed by religion to control the country, and this actually gave rise to alot of corruption, cause he portrayed himself as a fundamentalist like the MMA leaders, and was the complete opposite off camera), so the US couldve taken this a as a threat, since Iran had already become radicalised, so they couldve tried to stop the spreading of radicalism.

Then the KGB couldve done this aswell so, the radicalisation wouldnt spread in the Former Soviet states neiboring Afghanistan, and the maybe india couldve done it but highly unlikely, cause dont see any good reason for them to do so.

And then the ISI couldve been in it too, since not everyone liked his policies.

Other parties couldve been involved aswell.

All in all, its still a mystery. So eh, who cares i guess.

[surya]

"so eh, who cares i guess"

who cares???? he ruled pakistan for 10 + yrs..under him pak took the fundamental step of constructing nukes(though zulfiqar came up with the idea ) .. took the fundamental step of militancy as a state policy, and no one cares why he died..!!!!!! that too when he was in power???... i would say he has shaped pakistan's destiny for atleast 25 yrs and may be more..and no one cares who could have killed himm.... hmmm surprising that a leader of a state has such scant respect among subjects of the state.. musharraf if he is reading this will be horrified... who cares!!!!

[halfemtysoul]

take easy #####, the only good thing he did was to start off the nuke program, my dad and a few colleges have personaly met him, (and no i cant prove u this stuff, and neither should i be, since my dad does take this stuff privately, and i shouldnt even be talkin bout this stuff).

The guy was one of the biggest fuqing hypocrits in Pakistan, a heavy drinker (not that anytings wrong with that personaly) he gambled, did all the western stuff, but the bastard started to use islam as a cloak to cover his totalitarionist ideology, which he would use to rule the country with an iron fist.

Bfore he started to ban all alcohol and gambling and everything, all that stuff was leagal, there were bars in pakistan, night clubs etc, it was a completely different country, but this guy came in, the ##### completely changed the image of pakistan.

And u wanna know how the biggest plague in pakistan came into being? (talkin bout corruption)

Well heres a starter that my dad told me.

In the air force and the rest of the military, bars were alowed to serve alcohol etc, the guy started to ban all this stuff publicly even in the military, but provided special inquisition, under some false name, from which funds could be used under-descrition to get alcohol, now this got started to get alcohol for him and his associates, the military used it, so the politicians started using it. And now surya, almost every fuqin person with connection to leaders in government and other high places uses these inquisitions and even more sophisticated means to loot the money from the treasury. This here is just one of the examples i learnt from what my dad told me. And this and many more gave rise to the culture of corruption in Pakistan, and just so u may know, Ayub Khan was one of the best leaders we ever had, so instead of idolizing the great hypocrit Zia, u might wanna go for Ayub Khan.

U want another reason why i dont care bout how or who killed Zia?

His strategy to use religion to cloak his totalitarionist ideology has been picked up by teh MMA, these ppl are even bigger crooks then Zia, more of an evolution of him, without the military, but hey who needs the military's armed wing, when u can use teh damn terrorists right? These guys are no angels, even bigger hypocrits, and honestly im pretty damn sure these ppl drink up aswell, im sure this must be a shock to u learning that the MMA does the same, but hey i wouldve had teh same shock if all i ever heard bout them on teh Pakistani news and ppl that theyr extremely religios groups, while on teh contrary there one of the biggest hypocrits ever.

And then the MMA, Zia's proteges, became the political wing of the extriemists/fundamentals, who have poisoned my religion, and are bound to destroy the very teachings of Islam itself.

And dude, this stuff is nothing compared to the other crap that his policies have spawned 25 yrs after his death.

So dont fuqin bullshit me with ure crap.

[strategicplanner]

The number of generals on the plane with Zia would suggest that Zia feared a plot to remove him from within his own ranks, with or without foreign assistance.

[pakistanzindabaa...]

The number of generals on the plane with Zia would suggest that Zia feared a plot to remove him from within his own ranks, with or without foreign assistance.

hahahahahaha


but ur comments suggest a lot more.....


"The guy was one of the biggest fuqing hypocrits in Pakistan, a heavy drinker (not that anytings wrong with that personaly) he gambled, did all the western stuff, but the bastard started to use islam as a cloak to cover his totalitarionist ideology, which he would use to rule the country with an iron fist."

yaar pakistani qom sahi ahsaan faramosh qom hay...... seriously.....

oye this was the guy who, saved pakistan's ass.... jab america ki ass phutt ker haath main ayi hoi thi after they got their balls handed to them in vietnam, this guy was the man who kept his brains when afghanistan got occupied.... what the hell do u guys think the soviets were after in "resource rich" afghanistan???? the carter administration had totally panicked...... in simple lingo..... tuttey fail ho geye thay.....

oye akal ko istemaal kero..... go take a map and look at russian expansion during last 150 years.....
they were looking for balochistan and NWFP(under the pukhtoonistan banner), whereas india was gonna take the rest..... dont believe me????
find out where the head of the maree tribe in balochistan had been..... and why..... papooo bari deep game hay......

"Bfore he started to ban all alcohol and gambling and everything, all that stuff was leagal, there were bars in pakistan, night clubs etc, it was a completely different country, but this guy came in, the ##### completely changed the image of pakistan."

he really rained on ur parade didnt he?? oh yaar, "dad" key illawa koi doosri source of info bhi rekho.....
#### yaar....

surya, hamza's right..... the indian agents had no hand in it..... it was a KGB operation all right..... the go ahead was with the good graces of the CIA, who saw zia as an impediment to their post cold war scenario......(as he wasnt a "go ahead and ##### me character")

the central asian states have almost all of the russian nuclear as well as space installations....... the CIA did not want the central asian states to evolve into independent countries..... they had to remain under the russian cloak....

hence we see mad hatters like islamov in the region..... the guy names months after his and his mum's names.....

a couple of months b4 the assasination, the KGB head at kabul said that zia and abdur-rehman would pay for afghanistan, "personally". this was during US and soviet talks in europe(remember the berlin wall fiasco??).....
then the assasination took place and the same guy was promoted as the KGB's head for their covert ops department. interviewed later, he said that it was a KHAD operation.....

which is clearly laughable...... he was implicitly taking credit for the operation......

afterwards the BBB (bitchy benazir bhutto) came to power..... overnight the entire setup was changed.... the documents related to his crash disappeared and it was as if his efforts never were..... and the russians are back in afghanistan.

[Humza K]

I heard somewhere, that US senator commented that, "He knew too much, and was too close." Classic American condom style evacuation.

[halfemtysoul]

Pakistanzindabad

dude, first of all i didnt even wanted to post all that stuff but did cause ppl were giving him credit where it doesnt belong, and no i cant get any other source to prove what i said, since theres no way in hell he wouldve writen bout his real life in a fuqin biography, what i got from my dad was, his and his other coleges personal accounts.

And dude im not an idiot, the Soviets did plan to take us out, even the SSG covert ops units were operating inside Afghanistan, but u cant give Zia all the credit, if it was some other guy as the leader of pakistan, he wouldve done the same, cause the countrys future was at stake, so give credit where its due, dont just give em credit cuase he did this and that to the US or whatever.

Bottom line, his deaths a mystery and i dont give a damn.

[pakistanzindabaa...]

as hamza said go and read war at the top of the world......

its one of the most unbiased views about the afghan war, and pakistan's role in that war......

after that go and read ahmed rashid's taliban, for details on pakistan's involvement in the afghan region, after zia's death.....

zia as a person had nothing to do with the talibs..... actually, it was BB who started to support them.... its not right to put the blame on zia cause he never even knew the talibs(they didnt exist in his time)...... BB is more responsible for the crappy politics of our nation.....

zia supported the MQM, and he was right at the time too..... u can see the damage done to our country by the wadairas..... policies have consequences...... but the consequence of no action, at times is much worse than the consequence of firm action taken at the right time. had zia balked at difficult decisions, we would have had a much bigger problem to deal with.....

[ISI]

First of all people mind your F languge when you speak about Zia-ul-Haq. He has done more for Pakistan than most of you can imagine. All these stories about him which people heard from so and so are BS, and so is this crap about him being a fundamentalist. He had strong religious beliefs and felt that Islam should play a strong role in society and state (so as it should as an Islamic country). Also all this BS about the Maulvi's, MMA and sectarian groups being his creations is crap as well. The same Maulvi's were among Zia's strongest critics and continuously demanded that he turn Pakistan into a theocratic state which he refused to do. Though Zia believed in a much more stronger role of Islam in our society, in terms of our laws, social, and economic policy he was no where close to believing in the Talibans interpretation of Islam as most people who oppose him try to link him to (mostly secularists, PPP, and other groups).

Though I support Zia-ul-Haq, I should also say that he had flaws as well, as any man does. His preoccupancy with Afghanistan, let alot of scum in society take advantage of the situation and create ethnic, and sectarian problems. I can assure you that Zia was fully aware of what this scum was up to as was the ISI, they new how the MQM was being financed by India to create terrorism in Pakistan, and they also knew how Iran was financing some Shia radical groups to do the same. All this was because of Pakistan's policy in Afghanistan, which was opposed by both Iran and India. Zia and the ISI were fully aware of these problems, but chose to ignore these groups because it was felt that these people could easily be mopped up once things in Afghanistan were resolved. Though a nusance, the government knew exactly what both India and the Iranians were trying to do, draw the government into a wider internal social religious/ethnic conflict which would divert Pakistans attention from Afghanistan not to mention punish it for its policy. Zia and the ISI knew that dealing with these people with an iron fist which though was warranted was exactly what these people wanted and would create problems for us in diverting our resources. So the problem was dealt with as silently as possible, the plan always was to take out these people once the Soviets were out of Afghanistan. The problem that happened was that Zia was killed along with the rest of our top brass. In comes BB and a politically motivated government that first did not followup on what should have been done, rid society of this scum because these people now were part of the political ranks as MNA's, MPA's and ministers. They used their positions to get even with the other side and made matters worse for which society suffered greatly. Rather than deal with things in a non-political fashion and treat enemy's of the state as enemy's some were treated as friends who took revenge on others, starting a cycle only to end thanks to General Musharraf.

Now, the key question, who killed Zia? I strongly believe it was the CIA. Zia was too close and knew too much. Plus his plans for a post Soviet Afghanistan and Central Asia meant a very very signifcant increase in Pakistan's importance and influence in the region which was unacceptable to the US, and of course to India and Russia. After Afghanistan, Zia had planned to fully turn towards India and take care of Kashmir. The mujhahideen in Afghanistan had even begun moving to Kashmir and India was scared shitless. The Mujahideen were well armed, trained and at the time India was completely unprepared to deal with them. It would have been a walk over for the Mujahideen who would have taken Kashmir quite easily. The US did not want that to happen, Russia did not and of course India did not. Secondly, Zia had planned a sorts of informal confederation with Afghanistan and Central Asian republics. Kind of like the EU, in which Pakistan of course would be in the lead. We were fully aware of the resources in Central Asia as were the Americans who did not want Pakistani influence, and thus Chinese influence in the area. Then of course there is the increasing difference of opinion Pakistan had with the US in the final days of Zia's life. From the experience in Afghanistan Zia felt a strong need for self reliance, and he knew how relying upon the US for weapons in Afghanistan and for the Pak Army limited our capabilities. He was increasingly interested in making Pakistan self sufficient. The day of the Accident on August 17, Zia-ul-Haq had gone to see a demonstration of the M1A1 Tank and was completely dissappointed, he made his views quite clear on its capabilities and disapproval for cost vs. machine that the Americans wanted to charge. It has also been said that Zia had told the Americans that for $2 Billion Pakistan could make 1200 tanks rather than buy 200 M1A1's. Finally there was the religious factor, the Americans were concerned that Zia would implement Islamic reforms in Pakistan, which he very much intended to do after dismissing Junejo. Now again we are not talking Taliban style changes, but changing our laws to conform with Sharia and Islam. The US knew how strong a motivating factor Islam could be, they used it to motivate the Mujahideen and felt it was very dangerous to have an entire nation motivated on such basis, especially an Islamic nation with nukes.

So, there are lots of reasons why Zia was killed. Everyone had a hand in it, but in the end, it most likely was the CIA. The Russians and Indians had tried and failed many times. The CIA, had the access, means and capability to do it. That is why I think the whole thing was hushed up and the report never revealed. Can you imaging the reaction then in Pakistan had there been an official report stating that the Americans did it? It would not have been pretty. In anycase, that's my theory most have probably heard the same from others but its the most logical.

[kyberpass]

The pilot of the plane was Shia, and apparently he deliberately crashed it as he was opposed to a lot of the anti-shia hysteria being propagated in Pakistan under Zia.

Thats what someone told me recently.

[thehimalayanwarr...]

The guy was one of the biggest fuqing hypocrits in Pakistan, a heavy drinker (not that anytings wrong with that personaly)halfemptysoul

this ##### has lost all credibility whatsoever by saying he does not see the wrong in drinking , it was forbidden by the Prophet Muhammed thats all numb nuts !!! man you disgust me and i cannot belive you had the nerve to even post that your a worthless piece of #### dude and your opinions about politics are as messed up as your beliefs in religion you make me sick !!!

that is all ladies and gents thank you.. :ph34r:

[halfemtysoul]

" it was forbidden by the Prophet Muhammed"

so u worship the prophet now? isnt that idol worshiping? i thought islam was against that?

The reason i personaly dont find anything wrong with it is because, i dont follow the words of quran just because of the " the prophet didnt" ideology ( cause im not an idol worshiper) but i tend to see the reason behind each and every word of the quran and its real-world implications.

The reason it was written in the quran not to drink was, because, ppl tend to become lazy bastards, gettin drunk 24/7 to get rid of their problems instead of solving them, and they become useless to the progress of society.<--(my interpretition of the no drinking thing in the quran, as u know the quran just like the bible and the torah is abstract)

But im none of those ppl, i have complete control over my life, i tend to solve all my problems, and theres no problem that doesnt have a cure to, so no i wont be drinking my ass of just to forget about my problems, nor am i lazy.

And himalaya, my religious beliefes and my personal life is only my buisness, its not ures, and neither is it any one elses, what i choose to do or not to do is my buisness .

And ure opinion about my life has absolutely no value to me, i dont even know the reason u posted that post about me, since my life is my buisness not ures, and ure opinion about me has no value to me.

"man you disgust me and i cannot belive you had the nerve to even post that your a worthless piece of #### dude and your opinions about politics are as messed up as your beliefs in religion you make me sick !!!"

Frankly i dont really care if u dont like my opinions or beliefs, again ure opinion has no value to me, zilch.

That said, now u could go on with ure idol worshiping.

Thank u

[thehimalayanwarr...]

well dude it was forbidden by our Prophet on the command of Allah i thought you might have know that the revelations came from Allah and its obvious that it he did not make the rules he just forwarded them on to us , i dont know where you brought this idolising bull crap from.

the reason why drinking was prohibited was because its an intoxicant and addictive also it makes one forget about his relationship with his wife, mother, sister etc . I do not know what you are basing your assumptions on regarding why alcohol was banned.

Yes your religious beliefs are none of my business so in the future please keep them to yourself and dont print #### like you do not see the problem in drinking coz this is a pakistani forum and pakistan was formed on the basis of Islam. I find your interretation of the deen extremely disturbing and you seem to be mixed up. IQRA that was the first word revelaed tells you alot about the fact not to open your mouth if you dont know what your on about dude !!!

[raja]

dont be choosy on quran . what is said it remain till end and people take words from quran for there benfits. quran and prophet cant be seprate .if u r muslim then watch what u say we can not change thing in quran ,and what propht said.

[Halaku Khan]

I think am going to go along with ISI's assessment on the WHO and WHY of killing ZIA ......all the way !