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[sobank]

Indian army admits faking Siachen encounters
http://www.dawn.com/2004/05/08/top10.htm

"Indian army admits faking Siachen encounters

By Jawed Naqvi


NEW DELHI, May 7: The Indian defence establishment was shaken to its roots on Friday over revelations by a newspaper that its officers on duty in the Siachen Glacier had routinely stage- managed encounters with imaginary Pakistani troops.

The idea was to paint the Indian officers with false glory that would fetch them coveted gallantry awards. The army promptly admitted to faking encounters with "enemy personnel" in Siachen last year and said administrative action has been ordered against a colonel and a major and disciplinary action taken against another major.

An army spokesman told reporters in New Delhi that a Court of Inquiry (COI) has named Major Surinder Singh for faking the killings and disciplinary action has been ordered against him.

Administrative action has been ordered against Colonel K. D. Singh and Major Rohit Lama for what the army described as "administrative lapses". The spokesman denied that Indian Army was claiming awards for "imagined gallantry" as reported in The Hindustan Times on Friday.

Analysts said the revelations had come at a crucial time in the Indian elections and could harm Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee's bid for another term. The last leg of the four-phase polls is due on Monday.

Mr Vajpayee's right-wing nationalist supporters are known to be partial to the army and object to public discussion of recent revelations of scandal-ridden financial deals involving the defence establishment.

Indian security forces have been blamed in the past for faking "encounter deaths" in Kashmir and elsewhere, partly due to the pressure of "performing" against anti-Indian militants.

Earlier, the Defence Ministry admitted in a press release on Friday that Major Singh had been blamed by the court for "having faked the killings of enemy personnel", but this version was changed later with an army spokesman confining himself to stating that this officer had been "found culpable of having exaggerated and faking some events on the Glacier".

The spokesman said the Commanding Officer and Major Lama were held "guilty of committing acts of omission and commission of administrative nature and not operationally-related nor to Major Singh's events."

To questions whether the expose had sullied the image of the army, the spokesman sought to downplay the report. He said these the incidents were "individual events" and that stringent action would be taken against the guilty.

The Hindustan Times said that during hearings at the court of inquiry (COI), at which Major Singh also gave details about fake kills by units other than his own, the so-called "enemy hits" in Siachen came under severe scrutiny.

One issue was the distance from which the video recordings of the "kills" were made. It was pointed out that the videos had been tampered with, and that the "enemy troops" seen on tape had not been, contrary to standard practice, "roped in".

Questions were also raised on the effective ranges of precision weapons - some of the "enemy kills" appeared to have been made at 1,500 metres, by jawans not trained to use sniper rifles.

"Facing the COI, Major Singh's commanding officer (CO) Col K. D. Singh vehemently denied all the charges of fake killings except those pertaining directly to Maj Singh," The Hindustan Times said.

Col Singh claimed that the only fake "kills" were those made by the Major himself on two occasions, and that the officer had been warned about them. He described Major Singh as having a diabolical frame of mind. He said that he (Col Singh) had instructed officers to give "correct, timely and unexaggerated reports". The veracity of videos of the "kills" was proved by the "excitement and zeal" in the background voices, he argued.

"It is amazing how the army failed to smell a rat about the abnormally high numbers of enemy 'kills' in Siachen," The Times said, quoting sources. Nobody seems to have found it strange that except on a handful of occasions, there was no retaliatory fire from the "enemy" when the "kill" was made.

Said an Intelligence officer in Leh: "In the last week of August when there was a genuine enemy kill, Pakistan kept firing at and shelling us for nearly 24 hours." 5/5 Gorkha Rifles has since moved on to elsewhere in Jammu and Kashmir. It has been replaced by a battalion of Jammu and Kashmir Rifles in the routine six-monthly turn-over of units on the Siachen Glacier.

Indian and Pakistani troops have been deployed since 1984 on the snowy wastes of the Siachen Glacier, north of the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir. It is one of the world's most inhospitable places, where more soldiers die of cold and altitude sickness than through enemy action.

"Based on certain complaints that enemy killings have been fabricated by one unit in central glacier, a court of inquiry was ordered," the Defence Ministry said in a statement.

It said a major had been found guilty of "having faked killings of some enemy personnel and destruction of enemy bunkers." The officer faces disciplinary action.

The Hindustan Times said that a third of the 50 killings of Pakistan soldiers attributed to Indian troops on the Siachen Glacier last year may turn out to be false. To make their claim realistic, Indian troops built an air defence bunker on their side of the glacier and destroyed it with rockets and mortars, claiming it was a Pakistani bunker, the newspaper said. "

http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/jun/05army.htm
"Armyman admits faking encounters

June 05, 2004 16:13 IST

An armyman told a military court in Jodhpur on Saturday that he enacted fake encounters, reported false gunning down of enemy soldiers and resigned after Major Surinder Singh, an accused in the case, asked him to do so after the fake killings were exposed.

Nayak Bhuwan Bahadur Thapa said he, along with riflemen Yamraj Guru and R B Thapa, helped construct bunkers which were demolished in the fake encounters filmed by Major Singh.

He said rifleman Sham Bahadur Thapa was asked to lie down in the demolished bunker to be videographed as a dead enemy soldier.

Bhuwan Bahadur Thapa admitted he wrongly reported the killing of an enemy soldier in the August 24 fake encounter and two others in a similar action on September 21.

He said he was involved in the August 24 encounter in which he fired two guided missiles at the bunker which missed the target. The bunker was later demolished by firing a rocket, Thapa said.

He said they were made to swear before god that they would not reveal the fake killings.

But Major Singh asked him and two others to seek voluntary retirement when the killings were exposed. They tendered their resignations in October last year, Thapa said.

Thapa is the third army personnel to tell the court that army faked encounters in Siachen. Earlier JCO Phatte Bahadur Thapa and Havaldar Neer Bahadur Ale admitted the encounters were fake.

Thapa said the then battalion commander, Col K D Singh, had visited the forward post on July 2 last year and ordered post commander Phatte Bahadur Thapa to prepare for launching an attack.

Major Singh has alleged that he staged fake encounters at the instance of Col Singh, who in his deposition has told
the court that the officer facing doom was trying to tarnish a senior's image."

[sobank]

Police admits killing of civilians by armed agents
http://www.infopak.gov.pk/news/kashnews/ka..._sep27_2005.htm

"In occupied Kashmir, the police has admitted killing of civilians by Indian military agents in Kupwara district. The police claimed having arrested two Indian military armed agents who the police said have confessed killing of civilians.

Talking to reporters, SSP Kupwara Sunil Dutt said a police team led by Parvez Ahmad SHO of Batpora Police Station arrested Inayat Khan son of Niyamatullah of Guchipora Batpora and Mumtaz Khan son of Yar Khan of Haihama from a house at Batpora. He claimed that they have confessed killing many civilians in the district. The SSP said, after their arrest we are receiving many complaints from the people against them. The accused, the SSP said, are wanted in the murder of Nadir War son of Ghulam Rasool War of Batpora, who was murdered on September 2, adding a case of murder was registered against the accused. "

According to the SSP, the residents of the area have demanded stringent punishment of the accused. "Inayat and Mumtaz had made our lives miserable. They used to barge into our houses and demand ransom. If anybody dared to offer resistance they used to kill him in public," the residents said. "We are ready to help police and testify against them in many criminal cases in the Court. We want justice and punishment to the accused," they said. The SSP said the accused military agents were working for local army units. (KMS).

KASHMIR: Indian army admits fake encounters
http://www.dawn.com/2005/09/22/welcome.htm
This news was also posted in washington post. Their link is not active anymore.
"KASHMIR: Indian army admits fake encounters JAMMU, September 22 (PPI) In occupied Kashmir, unnerved over the killing of four Hindus in Kupwara last year dubbing them as non-Kashmiri militants, the Indian army authorities have now admitted that they were innocent Kashmiris killed in a fake encounter. According to Kashmir Media Service, Indian army has begun a probe into the killings and has decided to exhume the dead bodies for identification. This follows former Chief of Northern Command Lt Gen Hari Prasad’s announcement at a press conference in Jammu on August 29 last about the probe after an Indian soldier wrote to the unfortunate families saying that the four Kashmiris were killed in a fake encounter only for gallantry recognition.(Posted @ 19:52 PST)"

[sobank]

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20041205/j&k.htm#1

Surrender by fake militants embarrasses Army
Tribune News Service and PTI

Jammu, December 4
Following the alleged fake encounters with the Pakistani troops in the Siachen area, the surrender by fake terrorists in a bid to grab the cash incentives announced by the Jammu and Kashmir government has caused yet another embarrassment for the Army.

Having first taken the credit for these surrenders, which were organised with much fanfare at the headquarters of the 16 Corps at Nagrota last month. Army personnel are now finding it difficult to explain it.

The then GOC of the Corps, Lieut-Gen Ashok Kapur, who was yesterday promoted as GOC-in-C of the Southern Command and the Director General of Police, Mr Gopal Sharma, were present in the ceremony in which 47 ultras surrendered on November 9.

The GOC-in-C of the Northern Command, Lieut Gen Hari Prasad, today faced questions on the issue from mediapersons when he visited a water mill near Udhampur.

He said none of these terrorists at many stage before the surrender mentioned that they were innocent civilians. They admitted their involvement in terrorist activities and during the surrender they insisted covering their faces to avoid “terrorists’ wrath”.

The Army was reportedly contacted by a civilian who conveyed the willingness of some terrorists to surrender.

Ruling out a probe into the “fake surrender” of militants last month, General Hari Prasad said the Army had no mechanism to check the antecedents of those who surrender.

“The media reports on surrender controversy are totally wrong and baseless as the Army had facilitated the surrender of militants last month to bring misguided youth back to the national mainstream,” Lieut General Hari Prasad told reporters.

The Army has no axe to grind in the matter. We were just a facilitating agency for the surrender, He said adding that Army do not have a mechanism to check the antecedents of surrendered militants.

“We had handed over all these surrendered militants to the police for verifying their details and rehabilitation,” he said.

Refusing to institute a probe into the fake surrender, he said “Where is the need to order probe? The Army does not have any verification mechanism for it.

An Army officer told this correspondent that the Army was not to be blamed for these fake surrenders as these “ultras” had come to various camps to lay their arms and ammunition. Terrorists after their surrender are handed over to the police for further verification. It was during such investigations that the truth came out.

Reports indicate that these boys had posed themselves as terrorists in a bid to avail the cash grant of Rs 1.50 lakh, a monthly stipend of Rs 2000 and government’s guarantee for bank loan that has been announced by the Mufti government for the ultras who join the mainstream.

It is suspected that some other “fake” surrender might have been offered in the past with this objective as unemployment was growing among the youth.

Doubts had been expressed over the foolproof implementation of the government’s surrender policy right from the beginning as it had created heart burning among the unemployed youth who did not believe in the gun. Some of the political organisations while criticising the policy had described it as an incentive for those who indulged in killing of innocent men, women and children and were dancing to the tunes of the Pakistani ISI.

This call for re-screening of the over 300 terrorists who surrendered during the past four years. As many as 210 terrorists have surrendered in the Jammu division since 2000.

[MoThSmOkE]

We knew it all along.

Fake encounters, killing of Kashmiris to blame the Mujahideens have been a norm.

[Tiberia]

The idea was to paint the Indian officers with false glory that would fetch them coveted gallantry awards. The army promptly admitted to faking encounters with "enemy personnel" in Siachen last year and said administrative action has been ordered against a colonel and a major and disciplinary action taken against another major.

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fake encounters, fake killing of inocent people and calling them terrorists, gang rape, attacks on religions, these are a few of the lowlife indian army, i think this has never happened any where in the world but in indian kashmir.....................

fake ecounters for awards... :LOLANI: :LOLANI: :LOLANI:

[Wing_Man]

fake encounters, fake killing of inocent people and calling them terrorists, gang rape, attacks on religions, these are a few of the lowlife indian army, i think this has never happened any where in the world but in indian kashmir.....................

fake ecounters for awards... :LOLANI:  :LOLANI:  :LOLANI:
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this is wat we call INNOVATIVE IDEAS :LOLANI: :LOLANI: :LOLANI:
damn this indians r so good at marketing :LOLANI:

[sobank]

The Intention for this post was for you guys to add all those pieces of proven lies against pakistan.

so feel free to add any anti-pakistan propogand buster post to it no matter what is the subject. economy, social, political, basically anything. just make sure its 100% authentic.

I consider the famous american test pilot to be authentic source who claimed that he counted every single pakistani kill by himself. (forgot his name though)

[sobank]

Indian army's complete victory in Kargil. A truth by indian officer

'Key peak still in Pakistani occupation'
[ Monday, June 07, 2004 09:28:32 pmIANS ]


CHANDIGARH: A former Indian Army officer has claimed a few strategic peaks in the Kargil sector of Jammu and Kashmir, including the crucial Point 5353, were still under occupation by Pakistani forces.

Brig. Surinder Singh, who was dismissed from service in June 2001, also claimed the Indian defence establishment had misled the country by claiming it had gained control on the peaks in Kargil, where India and Pakistan fought a brief border conflict in 1999.

Singh was sacked after being embroiled in a controversy with his superiors about alleged lapses and intelligence failures that led to Pakistan-backed intruders occupying strategic features along a 140-km stretch of the Line of Control.

He asserted he had proof that Point 5353, a hill in the Drass sector of north Kashmir, was still under Pakistani occupation.

"I have evidence of this claim including satellite images," he told reporters.

Singh said the alleged inaction of the defence and political leadership during the Kargil conflict was only the tip of the iceberg.

"The defence establishment had misled the nation about getting every intruder out of the Kargil sector. I can give proof of this to whatever committee the new government at the centre sets up," Singh said, noting he had written about the matter to Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee.

Singh said he had asked Mukherjee to order a thorough probe into the Kargil conflict and issues that were deliberately hidden by the previous coalition government led by the Bharatiya Janata Party.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll...show/724898.cms

[crazyinsane105]

The Intention for this post was for you guys to add all those pieces of proven lies against pakistan.

so feel free to add any anti-pakistan propogand buster post to it no matter what is the subject. economy, social, political, basically anything. just make sure its 100% authentic.

I consider the famous american test pilot to be authentic source who claimed that he counted every single pakistani kill by himself. (forgot his name though)
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His name was Chuck Yeager my friend. I think he even wrote a book about the 1971 air war.

[SATAN]

Listen to this fvcking hindu called B Haraman twisting reality and implicating Pakistan in every thing from the Tsunami to the Paris bombings...

Heres the Link

[SATAN]

Heres another hindu named "Ashley Tellis " (most likely not his real name) singing praises about why hindia is the only country that should get nuclear help from the US.... :LOLANI:


Heres the Link to what the hindu writes..

[Mr. X]

http://www.india-facts.com/

[SCB1800]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5...India+is%3Afree

Very good 30+ minute movie about indian terrorism in Indian Occupied Kashmir

[asal-main]

I bet few have heard of this ... yet Indian media goes into super propaganda, anti-Pakistan drive over tribal issues in balochistan/waziristan or the dams Pakistan wants to build.

INDIA: Massacre of tribe in Orissa 5 Jan 2006
At least twelve tribal people died after police opened fire on a crowd at Kalinganagar in the Indian state of Orissa on Monday.

The people, mainly from the Ho tribe, were protesting against controversial plans to build a steel plant on their land. The plant is one of at least thirty big mining and metal factory projects being forced through on tribal land by Orissa's state government.

Bulldozers started construction of a wall at the site on Monday morning, in the presence of local officials, representatives of the company Tata Steel, and hundreds of armed police.

Orissa has a large and diverse tribal population. Thousands of tribal people in the state have already lost their land to industrialisation projects, and many thousands more have been displaced in the last twenty years by dams built to provide power and water for metal factories.

http://www.survival-international.org/news...befc7afbf362cd7

[must7]

bet few have heard of this ... yet Indian media goes into super propaganda, anti-Pakistan drive over tribal issues in balochistan/waziristan or the dams Pakistan wants to build.

Well said .. for Pakistan even if a rat is killed by PA .. the next day we see it in international news.

[Anza2004]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5...India+is%3Afree

Very good 30+ minute movie about indian terrorism in Indian Occupied Kashmir
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Sad video.

[GreenBeret]

Clear indication of lack of professionalism in Indian Army.

The whole nation is made up of liars and cheats and selfish humans.

[PakMarine]

HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHA.. STUPID INDIANS!!!!!!!!!!!

[Saeed Khan]

One more BR Forum Pinhead against the World: (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/laugh.gif)

Are combat pilots from free societies better than those from commie dictatorships?

(Notice how conveniently the Indians Mods have moved this thread out of the way) (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/laugh.gif)

[Saeed Khan]

Indians love to compare India with Pakistan but in this thread checkout the remarks of GoldenDragon about India and its comparison with China and the Western World: (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/laugh.gif)

- Free societies are in general very rich. A country that is very poor is probably not a truly free society no matter what it attempts to call itself. Poverty is a symptom of oppression and inequality. No man chooses to be poor and would not be poor if he had true freedom.

- If a so-called ‘Free Nation’ is among the poorest states in the world then it is not a free nation. The majority of people of such a nation are oppressed by other means than the ‘Right to Vote.’ Lack of education, lack of upward mobility and lack of nutrition are signs of lack of freedom. Poverty is the greatest sign that there is no real freedom.

- A truly free society should NEVER be poorer than its Communist neighbor. Freedom will allow talented people to create wealth and well-being for the society as a whole.

- Truly free nations would never buy Commie MiGs and Sukhois. They buy from the West or produce their own. They would never have allied themselves with the country Reagan called the "Evil Empire." You will never see real Free States like Australia, Japan, or Canada fly MiGs. (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/laugh.gif)

- Any nation that is poorer than a Communist nation is NOT a free nation. Remember that Communist nations aren't the only kind of Un-Free Societies. There are a variety of Feudal Systems. Even worse societies are Serfdoms (which led to Communism in the first place) or have Caste System. A nation that is among the most desperately poor in the world isn’t ‘Free’ in the same way as the United States, etc.

- A Feudal Serfdom is not ‘Free’ even though it is not Communist. A Caste System where the vast majority of people are born poor and remain stuck in that situation, isn’t ‘Free’ even though it isn’t Communist.

- There is no comparison between Free States and a Feudal Society. The Feudal Society may claim to provide Western Style Freedoms to its Citizens but is the World's Largest Prison of Squalor and Poverty.

- A country that is Even Poorer than a Communist state is surely not a ‘Free Society.’ If it had not compromised on fundamental human rights then it would be as rich as Taiwan or South Korea today and not be more than twice as poor as Communist China. But as the world's largest reservoir of people living in absolute squalor, it had surely compromised on basic human rights.

- It had five decades of ‘Freedom’ unlike China. It should be as wealthy as other free nations; it is not. It is only a fraction as wealthy as a Communist state. It cannot be a free nation by any stretch of the imagination.

- Free nations don’t leave behind the vast majority of its population in extreme poverty. The most billionaires as well as the world's largest amount of people in abject poverty by far is not the sign of a free society but that of a backwards feudal state.

- Communist nations are by definition are poor, for example, USSR, Eastern Europe, North Korea, etc. Communism = Poverty. Communism may only have a wealthy image for those who come from a System that creates poverty more readily than a Communist State.

- The world's largest so-called Democracy is immensely poor, like the Communists (actually even Poorer.) It was on the side of the USSR during the Cold War. It flies MiGs, obviously users of inferior communist products. (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/laugh.gif)

- The world's largest Democracy therefore fits the ‘Commie’ bill to the T (except that it is even poorer) so the evidence is pretty overwhelming that its pilots are just as bad. (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/laugh.gif)

- Free societies are by nature successful and efficient. The greatest expression of a free society is the wealth and well beings of its citizens. Freedom creates wealthy populations which in turn produce better pilots (among a host of other professions.)

- Un-Free societies are uniformly poor. Countries with Caste Systems that restrict the upward mobility of large portions of the population are the poorest among them. Societies with the Caste systems aren’t Communist States; they are worse. For example, the world's ‘Largest Democracy’ has the world's largest reservoir people living in abject poverty; Immense and Biblical Poverty that had always attracted the world's charity organizations. Children there actually die at birth twice as much as the largest Communist State and its people live 8 years less.

- Any nation that can trail a Communist state in infant mortality and longevity is a very Un-Free state indeed. If it can't raise the life expectancy of its people to even Communist levels how can it pilots be any better?

- Free Societies’ every social and economic indicators prove that they are free. Then there are free societies like the ‘World's Largest Democracy’ where it is ‘Free’ in name only.

- Anyone with an understanding of Politics and History would know that there are Un-Free Systems that are worse than Communism. These Feudal and Caste Systems led to the Communism in Russia, China, Vietnam, Cuba, etc. in the first place.

- The World's ‘Largest Democracy’ is famous for having one of the worst of these caste systems.

- If infants in the world's ‘Largest Democracy’ are dying at twice the rate of North Korea which is synonymous with Communist inefficiency and misplaced priorities, then it is most certainly not a free society in any shape or form.

- ‘Free’ doesn't mean extreme poverty and premature death.

- Arguing that free nations create immense wealth and healthy population is being "brainwashed?" Arguing that truly free societies are wealthier than communist ones is being "brainwashed?" Are you actually arguing for free nations or against them? Unless you actually believe that free nations should be poorer and have more infants dying than communist ones, you should never complain that a person arguing for the superiority of free states as being "brainwashed."

- "Freedom" does NOT mean choosing to be desperately poor and malnourished

- The greatest reflection of a society is the health and well being of its citizens.

- When the largest so-called "democracy" in the world is filled to the brim (like Dante's 9 levels of Hell) with the most appallingly poor people in the world, it is also a reflection of the society.

- When that country's children die more often and live shorter lives than even the worst and most brutish Communist Country (North Korea) in the world, then that is also a reflection of the country; a reflection of not only its Immense Poverty but also Lack of Freedom.

- Check out the kill records of the F-15 and F-16 and then look at the battle record of the MiG-29 and Su-27. Between the F-15 and F-16, the two aircraft have an Air to Air Record of probably 150 to 1 (and even that one is questionable.) The Flanker has a kill ratio of 4-0 (all against MiG-29s) and the MiG-29 has a record of 0-12. There is NOTHING that proves the Flanker or Fulcrum to be better in anyway. (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/laugh.gif)

[Mr. X]

Horror of India's child sacrifice
By Navdip Dhariwal
BBC News, Uttar Pradesh, India

Akash's mother
Akash's mother found her son's mutilated body

In India's remote northern villages it feels as if little has changed. The communities remain forgotten and woefully undeveloped, with low literacy and abject poverty.

They are conditions that for decades have bred superstition and a deep-rooted belief in the occult.

The village of Barha in the state of Uttar Pradesh is only a three-hour car drive from the capital Delhi. Yet here evil medieval practices have made their ugly presence known.

Lured with sweets

I was led by locals to a house that is kept under lock and key. They refuse to enter it.


"They [the tantrics] play on people's fears and superstitions - it is crazy"
S Raju
Campaigning journalist

Peering through the window bars you can see the eerie dark room inside, with peeling posters of Hindu gods adorning the walls and bundles of discarded bed clothes.

In one corner is the evidence we had come to find: blood-splattered walls and stained bricks.

It is the place where a little boy's life was ritually sacrificed.

Those who tortured and killed Akash Singh did so in a depraved belief - that the boy's death would offer them a better life.

"The woman who did this was crazed," the villagers say. "Akash was friends with all our children... We still cannot believe what happened here."

Akash's distraught mother discovered her son's mutilated body. The family was told he was lured away with sweets and begged his captors to set him free.

"First they cut out his tongue," his grandmother Harpyari told me. "Then they cut off his nose, then his ears. They chopped off his fingers. They killed him slowly."

'Profiting from fear'

The woman who abducted Akash lived just a few doors away. She claimed to be suffering from terrible nightmares and visions.

Akash
Those suspected of killing Akash Singh are in jail

It was then she turned for guidance to a tantric, or holy man. It was under his instruction that she brutally sacrificed the boy - offering his blood and remains to the Hindu goddess of destruction.

There are temples across India that are devoted to the goddess. Childless couples, the impoverished and sick visit to pray that she can cure them.

Animal sacrifice is central to worship - but humans have not been temple victims since ancient times.

We were met with a hostile reception at the temple in Meerut. The high priest did not want us to see the ritual slaughter.

Tantrics like him clearly have an overwhelming grip on their followers. Often they are profiting from people's fears. In extreme cases others have instructed their followers to kill.

Crackdown campaign

S Raju is a journalist for the Hindustan Times and has been reporting on child sacrifice cases since 1997 in western Uttar Pradesh. He has reported on 38 similar cases.

In one incident he says a tantric told a young man that if he hanged and killed a small boy and lit a fire at his feet the smoke from the ritual could be used to lure the pretty village girl he had his eye on.

He has been campaigning for a crackdown on the practice of tantrics, alarmed at what he has seen.

"The masses need to be educated and dissuaded from following these men," he said. "They play on people's fears and superstitions - it is crazy."

Unreported

We visited the jail where those accused of murdering Akash were being held.

The prison warden told us of over 200 cases of child sacrifice in these parts over the last seven years.

He admitted many of the cases go unreported because the police are reluctant to tarnish the image of their state. He told us incidents of child sacrifice are often covered up.

Many of those killers are behind bars - but, chillingly, others poisoned by the same sinister beliefs remain at large.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4903390.stm

[Pathfinder]

i saw the video version of the report off the report. it was sickening the wall of the house where the torture off this poor soul took place still are covered with blood. it all comes down to the fact that people use fear to controll one and another By Using The God Kali. sickening stuff a child is innocent regardless of predijuses that we hold.

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[Mr. X]

i saw the video version of the report off the report. it was sickening the wall of the house where the torture off this poor soul took place still are covered with blood. it all comes down to the fact that people use fear to controll one and another By Using The God Kali. sickening stuff a child is innocent regardless of predijuses that we hold.

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I think indians has some affiliation with Ejyption Ferros aka feraoons. killing babies (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/ph34r.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/mad.gif)

just sickening

[sobank]

Kashmiri Sikhs were killed by Hindus: Clinton
Pakistan Times Kashmir Desk

ISLAMABAD: The former U.S. President Bill Clinton has emphasized that Hindu militants were responsible for the massacre of 38 Sikhs at Chatisinghpora in occupied Kashmir in March 2000, a KMS report says.

The former US President made the emphasis while writing the introduction to former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's new book entitled "The Mighty and the Almighty".

He pointed out, "During my visit to India in 2000, some Hindu militants decided to vent their outrage by murdering 38 Sikhs in cold blood. If I hadn't made the trip, the victims would probably still be alive. If I hadn't made the trip, I couldn't have done my job as president of the United States".

It is pertinent to note that India at the time of the killing of Sikhs in occupied Kashmir in March 2000 had stated that the killings were the doing of a group of non Kashmiri Mujahideen.

However, Bill Clinton's remarks reflect previous findings by the Punjab Human Rights Organization, the International Human Rights Organization, the Movement Against State Repression, and New York Times reporter Barry Bearak.

http://www.pakistantimes.net/2006/06/10/kashmir2.htm

Lets see the 'worlds largest democracy' investigate this and bring the criminals to justice.
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Thanks postman for the post.
http://pakistanidefenceforum.com/index.php...topic=56117&hl=

[Russel]

so you guys are too victim of Indian Media. ha ha ha, same here bro, but if we stick together we'll overcome it in sha allah.

[sobank]

Lie :Pakistan destroyed only temple in Lahore

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1643844.cms

Hindu temple in Lahore demolished
[ Tuesday, June 13, 2006 02:10:54 pmPTI ]

ISLAMABAD: The only Hindu temple in the Pakistani city of Lahore has been demolished to pave the way for construction of a multi-storied commercial building.

The temple was recently demolished after officials of the Evacuee Property Trust Board (EPTB), the government body maintaining properties of minorities, specially Hindus and Sikhs, reportedly concealed facts from the board chairman about the nature of the building, daily 'Dawn' reported on Tuesday.

A private developer was allowed to demolish 'Krishna Mandir' at Wachhoowali, Rang Mahal and raise a commercial building in its place in violation of the EPTB's own scheme for management and disposal of urban evacuee trust properties, it said.

Quoting documents, the paper said board officials did not mention that the property being given to an influential jeweller of the area, was a Hindu temple.

Had the officials indicated in the correspondence with the chairman that the property was a Hindu temple, he might have rejected the request for its transfer to the jeweller-developer for the construction of a four-storey commercial building, an EPTB official was quoted as saying.

The demolition was objected to by several opposition members of the National Assembly like Pakistan Peoples Party, and Pakistan Muslim League-N, who reportedly moved a motion against the demolition, saying such an act could have a bearing on Pakistan's relations with neighbouring countries.

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And the fact is:


Krishna temple is safe: Pakistan

Pakistan on Thursday denied media reports that the only Krishna temple in Lahore has been razed and said the temple is safe.

A structure was demolished to make way for the construction of a commercial complex, but there was no temple there, a foreign office statement said.

'The only Krishna temple that exists in Lahore is safe and the temple referred to in a section of the press is an abandoned property being used partly for residential and commercial purposes since the time of the independence according to a clarification of Evacuee Trust Property Board of Pakistan,' a Foreign Office statement said.

'The media report is factually incorrect. In fact, the Krishna temple is situated on Ravi Road, Lahore, whereas the property under reference is in Rang Mahal, Lahore. Both the locations are several kilometers apart,' it said.

However, there is a temple in Wachhowali Bazar in Lahore, which is about 300 feet away from the property under reference. That temple too is intact, the foreign office said.

Contrary to the alleged demolition, the Evacuee Trust Property Board has made considerable improvements in a number of temples including the Krishna temple, at the cost of Rs 13.8 million during the last three years, it said.

Report in a Pakistani newspaper that the only Krishna temple in Lahore has been demolished for construction of a commercial complex sparked off a strong reaction by the Sangh Parivar, including the Bharatiya Janata party, and the Indian government sought a clarification from Pakistan on the issue.

http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/jun/15templ...?q=np&file=.htm

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A related topic on this forum

http://pakistanidefenceforum.com/index.php...pic=56166&st=40

Thanks to Nitin and scb100 for the sources.

[sobank]

Its a common believe that pakistani army was source of one of the biggest ethenic massacre after WWII in east pakistan. The propoganda was mainly spread by RAW lead indian press. Thanks to many unclassified american documents, lots of facts are coming into light about lots of things.

One of them is tragedy of sepration of East pakistan from West. without any doubt west pakistan generally and politicians of west pakistan specifically can be blamed for it. But the story does not end here. To justify its attack on pakistan, RAW based bangali activitists start claiming to make pakistan look like a second incarnation of stalin. they succeeded in putting 10 of hundred thousang mureders inpakistan army name. Even todya many bangladeshi men are faling for propoganda just like many pskistani themselves.

But the process of clearing the name amy has begun, slowly and steadily.

wll one of the first important document is described bellow.

and the another link to a topic. is

http://pakistanidefenceforum.com/index.php...36&#entry772336


The truth about the Jessore massacre
The massacre may have been genocide, but it wasn’t committed by the Pakistan army. The dead men were non-Bengali residents of Jessore, butchered in broad daylight by Bengali nationalists, reports Sarmila Bose

The bodies lie strewn on the ground. All are adult men, in civilian clothes. A uniformed man with a rifle slung on his back is seen on the right. A smattering of onlookers stand around, a few appear to be working, perhaps to remove the bodies.

The caption of the photo is just as grim as its content: ‘April 2, 1971: Genocide by the Pakistan Occupation Force at Jessore.’ It is in a book printed by Bangladeshis trying to commemorate the victims of their liberation war.

It is a familiar scene. There are many grisly photographs of dead bodies from 1971, published in books, newspapers and websites.

Reading another book on the 1971 war, there was that photograph again — taken from a slightly different angle, but the bodies and the scene of the massacre were the same. But wait a minute! The caption here reads: ‘The bodies of businessmen murdered by rebels in Jessore city.’

The alternative caption is in The East Pakistan Tragedy, by L.F. Rushbrook Williams, written in 1971 before the independence of Bangladesh. Rushbrook Williams is strongly in favour of the Pakistan government and highly critical of the Awami League. However, he was a fellow of All Souls College, Oxford, had served in academia and government in India, and with the BBC and The Times. There was no reason to think he would willfully mislabel a photo of a massacre.

And so, in a bitter war where so many bodies had remained unclaimed, here is a set of murdered men whose bodies are claimed by both sides of the conflict! Who were these men? And who killed them?

It turns out that the massacre in Jessore may have been genocide, but it wasn’t committed by the Pakistan army. The dead men were non-Bengali residents of Jessore, butchered in broad daylight by Bengali nationalists.

It is but one incident, but illustrative of the emerging reality that the conflict in 1971 in East Pakistan was a lot messier than most have been led to believe. Pakistan’s military regime did try to crush the Bengali rebellion by force, and many Bengalis did die for the cause of Bangladesh’s independence. Yet, not every allegation hurled against the Pakistan army was true, while many crimes committed in the name of Bengali nationalism remain concealed.

Once one took a second look, some of the Jessore bodies are dressed in salwar kameez — an indication that they were either West Pakistanis or ‘Biharis’, the non-Bengali East Pakistanis who had migrated from northern India.

As accounts from the involved parties — Pakistan, Bangladesh and India — tend to be highly partisan, it was best to search for foreign eye witnesses, if any. My search took me to newspaper archives from 35 years ago. The New York Times carried the photo on April 3, 1971, captioned: ‘East Pakistani civilians, said to have been slain by government soldiers, lie in Jessore square before burial.’ The Washington Post carried it too, right under its masthead: ‘The bodies of civilians who East Pakistani sources said were massacred by the Pakistani army lie in the streets of Jessore.’ “East Pakistani sources said”, and without further investigation, these august newspapers printed the photo.

In fact, if the Americans had read The Times of London of April 2 and Sunday Times of April 4 or talked to their British colleagues, they would have had a better idea of what was happening in Jessore. In a front-page lead article on April 2 entitled ‘Mass Slaughter of Punjabis in East Bengal,’ The Times war correspondent Nicholas Tomalin wrote an eye-witness account of how he and a team from the BBC programme Panorama saw Bengali troops and civilians march 11 Punjabi civilians to the market place in Jessore where they were then massacred. “Before we were forced to leave by threatening supporters of Shaikh Mujib,” wrote Tomalin, “we saw another 40 Punjabi “spies” being taken towards the killing ground…”

Tomalin followed up on April 4 in Sunday Times with a detailed description of the “mid-day murder” of Punjabis by Bengalis, along with two photos — one of the Punjabi civilians with their hands bound at the Jessore headquarters of the East Pakistan Rifles (a Bengal formation which had mutinied and was fighting on the side of the rebels), and another of their dead bodies lying in the square. He wrote how the Bengali perpetrators tried to deceive them and threatened them, forcing them to leave. As other accounts also testify, the Bengali “irregulars” were the only ones in central Jessore that day, as the Pakistan government forces had retired to their cantonment.

Though the military action had started in Dhaka on March 25 night, most of East Pakistan was still out of the government’s control. Like many other places, “local followers of Sheikh Mujib were in control” in Jessore at that time. Many foreign media reported the killings and counter-killings unleashed by the bloody civil war, in which the army tried to crush the Bengali rebels and Bengali nationalists murdered non-Bengali civilians.

Tomalin records the local Bengalis’ claim that the government soldiers had been shooting earlier and he was shown other bodies of people allegedly killed by army firing. But the massacre of the Punjabi civilians by Bengalis was an event he witnessed himself. Tomalin was killed while covering the Yom Kippur war of 1973, but his eye-witness accounts solve the mystery of the bodies of Jessore.

There were, of course, genuine Bengali civilian victims of the Pakistan army during 1971. Chandhan Sur and his infant son were killed on March 26 along with a dozen other men in Shankharipara, a Hindu area in Dhaka. The surviving members of the Sur family and other residents of Shankharipara recounted to me the dreadful events of that day. Amar, the elder son of the dead man, gave me a photo of his father and brother’s bodies, which he said he had come upon at a Calcutta studio while a refugee in India. The photo shows a man’s body lying on his back, clad in a lungi, with the infant near his feet.

Amar Sur’s anguish about the death of his father and brother (he lost a sister in another shooting incident) at the hands of the Pakistan army is matched by his bitterness about their plight in independent Bangladesh. They may be the children of a ‘shaheed,’ but their home was declared ‘vested property’ by the Bangladesh government, he said, in spite of documents showing that it belonged to his father. Even the Awami League — support for whom had cost this Hindu locality so many lives in 1971 — did nothing to redress this when they formed the government.

In the book 1971: documents on crimes against humanity committed by Pakistan army and their agents in Bangladesh during 1971, published by the Liberation War Museum, Dhaka, I came across the same photo of the Sur father and son’s dead bodies. It is printed twice, one a close-up of the child only, with the caption: ‘Innocent women were raped and then killed along with their children by the barbarous Pakistan Army’. Foreigners might just have mistaken the ‘lungi’ worn by Sur for a ‘saree’, but surely Bangladeshis can tell a man in a ‘lungi’ when they see one! And why present the same ‘body’ twice?

The contradictory claims on the photos of the dead of 1971 reveal in part the difficulty of recording a messy war, but also illustrate vividly what happens when political motives corrupt the cause of justice and humanity. The political need to spin a neat story of Pakistani attackers and Bengali victims made the Bengali perpetrators of the massacre of Punjabi civilians in Jessore conceal their crime and blame the army. The New York Times and The Washington Post “bought” that story too. The media’s reputation is salvaged in this case by the even-handed eye-witness reports of Tomalin in The Times and Sunday Times.

As for the hapless Chandhan Sur and his infant son, the political temptation to smear the enemy to the maximum by accusing him of raping and killing women led to Bangladeshi nationalists denying their own martyrs their rightful recognition. In both cases, the true victims —Punjabis and Bengalis, Hindus and Muslims — were cast aside, their suffering hijacked, by political motivations of others that victimised them a second time around.


http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060319/asp/...ory_5969733.asp


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ALl thanks to road runner.

[jai]

Kashmiri Sikhs were killed by Hindus: Clinton
Pakistan Times Kashmir Desk

ISLAMABAD: The former U.S. President Bill Clinton has emphasized that Hindu militants were responsible for the massacre of 38 Sikhs at Chatisinghpora in occupied Kashmir in March 2000, a KMS report says.

The former US President made the emphasis while writing the introduction to former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's new book entitled "The Mighty and the Almighty".

He pointed out, "During my visit to India in 2000, some Hindu militants decided to vent their outrage by murdering 38 Sikhs in cold blood. If I hadn't made the trip, the victims would probably still be alive. If I hadn't made the trip, I couldn't have done my job as president of the United States".

It is pertinent to note that India at the time of the killing of Sikhs in occupied Kashmir in March 2000 had stated that the killings were the doing of a group of non Kashmiri Mujahideen.

However, Bill Clinton's remarks reflect previous findings by the Punjab Human Rights Organization, the International Human Rights Organization, the Movement Against State Repression, and New York Times reporter Barry Bearak.

http://www.pakistantimes.net/2006/06/10/kashmir2.htm

Lets see the 'worlds largest democracy' investigate this and bring the criminals to justice.
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Thanks postman for the post.
http://pakistanidefenceforum.com/index.php...topic=56117&hl=

This was a printing mistake and correction will be done by the publisher. would love to know ur views now !!

Check the link
hindu militant mistake


Jai

[sobank]

This thread is not open for discussion. but its good you pointed it out. a thread is already open and you can discusse it their all you want. I dont put sht just because i just read it. Lets take it from your own source.

But despite the clarifica tion, the howler is bound to give ammunition to both Hin du groups, which have always chaffed at what is seen as US soft-pedalling on ethnic cleansing in Jammu and Kashmir, and Sikh separatist groups, which sought to blame the massacre on the Indian Army and Kashmiri sepa ratist renegades.

- In fact, in the hours immediately after the massacre in March 2000 when Clinton was on his way to New Delhi from Bangladesh, the US condemned the killings but refused to accept the Indian government’s contention that it - was the handiwork of Pakistan-based jihadi groups.

Clinton explicitly condemned the massacre by “unknown groups’’, a point he reemphasises in his book My Life. He contended they were seeking to gain publicity from his visit with the massacre.

In his book Engaging India, Clinton’s aide Strobe Talbott similarly expresses American misgivings about the massacre. “From the moment he got off the plane, Clinton spoke about “sharing the outrage’’ of the Indian people and expressing the “heartbreak’’ he and others felt about the latest atrocity,’’ writes Talbott. “He did not endorse the accusation that Pakistan was behind the violence since the US had no independent confirmation.’’

What further muddied the episode is the subsequent discovery that five Kashmiri youths who were killed by the army on suspicion of being involved in the Chhatisingpora massacre were innocent of that crime.



satisfied???????????????????

If the "militants" didnt do it as rest of us think and IA didnt do it as indian say then perhaps they just shot each other dead.........

any more question then please go on the threads open for the discussions.

[Malikman]

The truth needs to be told!

Spread this.

[jai]

oops oops.....sobank bhai and modertors.....i swear I didnt knew this thread is closed.
actually I felt it has been pinned means....its most imprt...

I need litle clrfication\help regarding this..........which thread is closed how to know??

Eager to reply ........but willl do once...i get the ans regarding thread clousyre etc......

I need ur help where to ans to ur post. mere ko forum ke baare mein kam pata hai. thodi help chahiye.......aap help kare....kahin mistake na ho jaye !!

any more precautions is welcome !

warm regards

jai

[sobank]

Its all cool (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/smile.gif)

for the pinned topics, just read the first post. If and follow the direction in the first post.

some topics are made just to gather info and not discussions. For example this one, important documentaries, must read books, etc. Others are just important topics which keep on surfacing again and again or have some really good posts e.g. Agosta vs. scorpene etc.

you will get the idea by just reading the opening post.

enjoy.

[Saeed Khan]

Beef-eating Hindu past deleted from text books:

WASHINGTON: References to the beef-eating past of ancient Hindus have been deleted from Indian school textbooks after a three-year campaign by Hindu hardliners, says a report published by The Washington Times on Thursday.

The Kolkota-datelined story notes that except for the communist-dominated states of Kerala and West Bengal and the smaller northeastern states, cow-slaughter is banned in most Indian states. Hindu nationalists have been campaigning for a federal ban on cow slaughter, charging that it was the Muslim invaders who brought beef consumption to India. However, several scholars have argued that ancient Hindus had no inhibitions about eating beef. For almost a century, history books for primary and middle schools said that in ancient India beef was considered a delicacy among Hindus – especially among the highest caste – and veal was offered to Hindu deities during special rituals.

The newspaper said that the drive to cleanse the textbooks of beef references began after the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) formed a federal coalition government in 1998 that stayed in power until 2004. In 2002, ‘The Holy Cow, Indian dietary traditions’, a book that presented historical evidence that Hindus ate beef long before Muslim invasions in the 10th century, angered Hindus and was banned. Its author, Delhi University professor Dwijendra Narayan Jha, was provided police security because he feared for his life. (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/laugh.gif) (More examples of Freedom of Speech in the World's Largest Upper Cast Hindu Democracy!) In 2001, Hindu nationalists (BJP) started marketing cow’s urine as a health cure for anything from skin, kidney and liver ailments to obesity and heart disease. (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/laugh.gif) Although the urine continues to be sold in special shops in India, no professionally qualified doctor has endorsed the claims made about its health benefits.

In 2003, the BJP-appointed head of the National Council of Educational Research and Training (NCERT), which bears responsibility for the texts, ignored protests from the Congress and the other opposition parties in parliament and deleted references to beef in textbooks. The revised textbooks were delivered to schoolchildren last week. The process of deleting the chapters took three years, and any move to reverse the decision could take equally long. Despite the widespread ban, published statistics show that beef is the most popular form of meat consumed in India. (Holy Cow!) (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/biggrin.gif)

DT

[thunderblade]

HEY WHY HATE HUMANS
FVCK THE RELEGION
HUMANISM IS BEST

AND NO NATION IS GOOD OR EVIL
IF IT IS SAID SO IT IS HYPE

EVERY NATOIN IS BOTH GOOD AND EVIL OK

RAPES AND MURDERS ARE EVERWHERE

SO BE A GOOD HUMAN AND SPREAD THE HUMANISMS BASIC PREACHING CALLED LOVE
OK
BYE TO ALL PAKISTANI BROTHERS FROM AN INDIAN

[Lightning F57]

We knew it all along.

Fake encounters, killing of Kashmiris to blame the Mujahideens have been a norm.

The americans do it, Israelis do it, Russians do it, British have done it, French have done it, Probably every other nation in the world has as well. But where is the justice in the world, why is might allways seen as right.

[Saeed Khan]

The Myth Of The New India:

By Pankaj Mishra
10 July, 2006
New York Times

India is a roaring capitalist success story. So says the latest issue of Foreign Affairs; and last week many leading business executives and politicians in India celebrated as Lakshmi Mittal, the fifth richest man in the world, finally succeeded in his hostile takeover of the Luxembourgian steel company Arcelor. India's leading business newspaper, The Economic Times, summed up the general euphoria over the event in its regular feature, "The Global Indian Takeover": "For India, it is a harbinger of things to come economic superstardom."

This sounds persuasive as long as you don't know that Mr. Mittal, who lives in Britain, announced his first investment in India only last year. He is as much an Indian success story as Sergey Brin, the Russian-born co-founder of Google, is proof of Russia's imminent economic superstardom.

In recent weeks, India seemed an unlikely capitalist success story as communist parties decisively won elections to state legislatures, and the stock market, which had enjoyed record growth in the last two years, fell nearly 20 percent in two weeks, wiping out some $2.4 billion in investor wealth in just four days. This week India's prime minister, Manmohan Singh, made it clear that only a small minority of Indians will enjoy "Western standards of living and high consumption."

There is, however, no denying many Indians their conviction that the 21st century will be the Indian Century just as the 20th was American. The exuberant self-confidence of a tiny Indian elite now increasingly infects the news media and foreign policy establishment in the United States.

Encouraged by a powerful lobby of rich Indian-Americans who seek to expand their political influence within both their home and adopted countries, President Bush recently agreed to assist India's nuclear program, even at the risk of undermining his efforts to check the nuclear ambitions of Iran. As if on cue, special reports and covers hailing the rise of India in Time, Foreign Affairs and The Economist have appeared in the last month.

It was not so long ago that India appeared in the American press as a poor, backward and often violent nation, saddled with an inefficient bureaucracy and, though officially nonaligned, friendly to the Soviet Union. Suddenly the country seems to be not only a "roaring capitalist success story" but also, according to Foreign Affairs, an "emerging strategic partner of the United States." To what extent is this wishful thinking rather than an accurate estimate of India's strengths?

Looking for new friends and partners in a rapidly changing world, the Bush administration clearly hopes that India, a fellow democracy, will be a reliable counterweight against China as well as Iran. But trade and cooperation between India and China is growing; and, though grateful for American generosity on the nuclear issue, India is too dependent on Iran for oil (it is also exploring developing a gas pipeline to Iran) to wholeheartedly support the United States in its efforts to prevent the Islamic Republic from acquiring a nuclear weapon. The world, more interdependent now than during the cold war, may no longer be divided up into strategic blocs and alliances.

Nevertheless, there are much better reasons to expect that India will in fact vindicate the twin American ideals of free markets and democracy that neither Latin America nor post-communist countries nor, indeed, Iraq have fulfilled.

Since the early 1990's, when the Indian economy was liberalized, India has emerged as the world leader in information technology and business outsourcing, with an average growth of about 6 percent a year. Growing foreign investment and easy credit have fueled a consumer revolution in urban areas. With their Starbucks-style coffee bars, Blackberry-wielding young professionals, and shopping malls selling luxury brand names, large parts of Indian cities strive to resemble Manhattan.

Indian business tycoons are increasingly trying to control marquee names like Taittinger Champagne and the Carlyle Hotel in New York. "India Everywhere" was the slogan of the Indian business leaders at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, this year.

But the increasingly common, business-centric view of India suppresses more facts than it reveals. Recent accounts of the alleged rise of India barely mention the fact that the country's $728 per capita gross domestic product is just slightly higher than that of sub-Saharan Africa and that, as the 2005 United Nations Human Development Report puts it, even if it sustains its current high growth rates, India will not catch up with high-income countries until 2106.Nor is India rising very fast on the report's Human Development index, where it ranks 127, just two rungs above Myanmar and more than 70 below Cuba and Mexico. Despite a recent reduction in poverty levels, nearly 380 million Indians still live on less than a dollar a day.

Malnutrition affects half of all children in India, and there is little sign that they are being helped by the country's market reforms, which have focused on creating private wealth rather than expanding access to health care and education. Despite the country's growing economy, 2.5 million Indian children die annually, accounting for one out of every five child deaths worldwide; and facilities for primary education have collapsed in large parts of the country (the official literacy rate of 61 percent includes many who can barely write their names). In the countryside, where 70 percent of India's population lives, the government has reported that about 100,000 farmers committed suicide between 1993 and 2003.

Feeding on the resentment of those left behind by the urban-oriented economic growth, communist insurgencies (unrelated to India's parliamentary communist parties) have erupted in some of the most populous and poorest parts of north and central India. The Indian government no longer effectively controls many of the districts where communists battle landlords and police, imposing a harsh form of justice on a largely hapless rural population.

The potential for conflict among castes as well as classes also grows in urban areas, where India's cruel social and economic disparities are as evident as its new prosperity. The main reason for this is that India's economic growth has been largely jobless. Only 1.3 million out of a working population of 400 million are employed in the information technology and business processing industries that make up the so-called new economy.

No labor-intensive manufacturing boom of the kind that powered the economic growth of almost every developed and developing country in the world has yet occurred in India. Unlike China, India still imports more than it exports. This means that as 70 million more people enter the work force in the next five years, most of them without the skills required for the new economy, unemployment and inequality could provoke even more social instability than they have already.

For decades now, India's underprivileged have used elections to register their protests against joblessness, inequality and corruption. In the 2004 general elections, they voted out a central government that claimed that India was "shining," bewildering not only most foreign journalists but also those in India who had predicted an easy victory for the ruling coalition.

Among the politicians whom voters rejected was Chandrababu Naidu, the technocratic chief minister of one of India's poorest states, whose forward-sounding policies, like providing Internet access to villages, prompted Time magazine to declare him "South Asian of The Year" and a "beacon of hope." But the anti-India insurgency in Kashmir, which has claimed some 80,000 lives in the last decade and a half, and the strength of violent communist militants across India, hint that regular elections may not be enough to contain the frustration and rage of millions of have-nots, or to shield them from the temptations of religious and ideological extremism.

Many serious problems confront India. They are unlikely to be solved as long as the wealthy, both inside and outside the country, choose to believe their own complacent myths. (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/laugh.gif)

CC

[MrBond]

Madhya Pradesh youth burnt alive for insurance claim

Indo-Asian News service
Bhopal, July 20, 2006

The Madhya Pradesh Police on Thursday arrested a couple and an insurance agent for allegedly killing a youth to claim insurance money, police said.

Deepak Ahirwar and his wife Kirti, residents of Itarsi in Hoshangabad district, hatched the conspiracy in connivance with insurance agent Mukesh Malajpure and burnt to death Barunath Pardhi, said a police official.

"Ahirwar's game plan included searching for a person of his physique, getting himself insured, killing the person and asking his wife to claim the insurance money with the help of the agent," the official added.

Kirti showed Pardhi's charred body claiming it was her husband's and applied for the claim.

The police have registered a case of murder against the three.

[sobank]

Thanks for replying guys. But this topic is about the indian propoganda relating to pakistan. What happens in india is not our problem.

Things like their claims of isi involvement in bombing and Cia claiming no proof of pakistani involvement is perfect example.

for other indian relating topics go to bitter reality thread.

Thanks.

[MrBond]

Here we go! Indians caught with their pants down again. (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/rolleyes.gif)

And people who think the Bombay blasts on 7/11 where "Pakistan linked", think again. Time after time the Indian army and authorities have been caught telling porkies.

Pakistan rejects Indian claim of killing its officer in Kashmir

Sat Jul 29, 4:59 AM ET

ISLAMABAD (AFP) - Pakistan rejected a claim by India that it had killed a Pakistani army officer in the zone of Kashmir under its control, calling it "ridiculous" as the man in question was still alive.

"It is a ridiculous claim and we categorically dismiss it," army's chief spokesman Major General Shaukat Sultan said on Saturday.

The Indian army Friday said its forces had killed Mohammad Hyder Turkey, alias Abu Bilal, identified as a major with the Nine Baloch Battalion of the Pakistan Army, was killed along with two Pakistani militants on Wednesday in Kashmir's northern Gurez sector.

Sultan, who is also press secretary to President Pervez Musharraf, said the officer named by India "is alive and is posted in Quetta".

Indian army spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel V.K. Batra, speaking to AFP in Srinagar, summer capital of the Indian zone, said the incident established the Pakistani army's involvement in the 17-year-old insurgency in the Indian-held part of the Himalayan state.

But Sultan said the accusation could be glory-seeking by a junior Indian officer.

"Staging fake encounters and making false claims is a practice which is very much done in the Indian army to win medals from their government," Sultan said. (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/laugh.gif) [nicely said!]

New Delhi postponed a scheduled foreign secretary level meeting this month following the train bombings in Mumbai that killed more than 180 people, saying the attackers received support from elements across the border.

Sultan said President Musharraf had "put a lot on stake in pushing the peace process with India and it is in our interest and in the interest of the people of South Asia to keep it alive".

Musharraf has urged New Delhi to keep the peace process, launched in January 2004, on track.

New Delhi blames Pakistan for arming and training Islamist rebels fighting Indian rule in the Himalayan region, which has triggered two of the three wars between the nuclear-armed rivals since 1947. Pakistan denies the charge.

Violence in Indian Kashmir has claimed more than 44,000 lives since the outbreak of the Islamic rebellion in the region in 1989.

India and Pakistan both control parts of Kashmir but claim it in full.