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Aug 4 2004, 04:40 PM
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LIEUTENANT ![]() ![]() Group: Full Members Posts: 318 Joined: 12-January 04 From: karachi Member No.: 3,777 Location: karachi, pakistan |
comparison btw us & russia anti submarine missiles
SS-N-16 Stallion The SS-N-16 (Stallion) is a Russian 650mm calibre anti-ship missile capable of being fitted with a 10-20 kT warhead or a Type 40 torpedo. The SS-N-16 Stallion ASW system was deployed in 1979-1981. This non strategic weapon has a range variously estimated at between 50 kilometers and 100-120 kilometers. The SS-N-16 concept is a unique antiship cruise missile that can carry alternatively a high-explosive charge to destroy surface ships or a torpedo for use against submarines. This type of weapon can be used by surface ships or submarines, as with the American AGM-84 Harpoon, although they are not equivalent. The diameter of this type of missiles is so large that it must be launched from 650 mm tubes, and cannot be carried in the standard 533 mm torpedo tubes. The RPK-6 Vodopod is the surface ship system, firing the 83R torpedo carrying or 86R nuclear depth charge, while the RPK-7 Vodopei is the submarine system. Specifications USA Code Name SS-N-16A - Torpedo Warhead SS-N-16B - Nuclear Depth Charge Nato Code Name Stallion Russian Designation RU-100 Veter ( Torpedo Warhead - Type 40) RU-100 Vodopod ( Nuclear Depth Charge - 200kT) Design Bureau Novator Range 100 Km Propulsion Solid Rocket Speed N/A In-service: Yes SS-N-15 Starfish RPK-2 Viyoga The SS-N-15 (Starfish) is a Russian 533 mm calibre anti-ship missile capable of being fitted with a 10-20 kT warhead or a Type 40 torpedo, and has a range of 37-45 kilometers. The SS-N-15 Starfish ASW has a range of 45-50 kilometers. This non strategic weapon was deployed in 1973. It uses the 82R torpedo or 90R nuclear depth charge missile. Specifications USA Code Name SS-N-15 Nato Code Name Starfish Russian Designation Tsakra / RPK-2 Viyoga Range 45 Km Design Bureau Novator Propulsion Solid Rocket Speed Subsonic In-service: Yes RUR-5 ASROC RUM-139 Vertical Launch ASROC (VLA) The RUR-5 Anti-Submarine Rocket (ASROC) is a ballistic missile designed to deliver the Mk 46 Mod 5 torpedo to a water entry point. Navy surface ships employed the ASROC with two different payloads -- either a nuclear depth charge that used a W-44 nuclear device or the Mk-44 or Mk-46 lightweight acoustic torpedo. The ASROC weapons were relatively small devices designed to fit inside the distinctive eight-cell box launcher found on almost all cruisers and destroyers of that era. The rockets were about fifteen feet long, approximately thirteen inches in diameter, and weighed about a ton. The torpedo is a very sophisticated weapon, employing for its time, state of the art technology for the propulsion and guidance systems. The torpedo is about eight feet long, weighs about 600 pounds and is also carried in tubes on escort ships. After water entry, the torpedo powered up and chased the sub using either passive or active sonar. The nuclear depth charge configured ASROC on the other hand was a relatively simple device, as it was nothing more complicated than a ballistic, unguided rocket with a depth charge as payload. When employing either weapon, the idea was to place the weapon as close to the predicted position of the enemy sub and let the weapon work as designed. In the case of the depth charge, after water entry, it simply sank and detonated at a preset depth. The resulting shock wave did the rest -- water doesn't compress, but sub hulls do. The RUM-139 Vertical Launch ASROC (VLA) is intended to provide vertical launch-capable surface combatants (without ASROC rail launchers) with an all-weather, quick reaction, standoff antisubmarine weapon capability. It is installed in Aegis ships (cruisers and destroyers) with the Mk41 Vertical Launching System (VLS) and DD 963-class destroyers with Mk 41 VLS. VLA includes a solid propellant booster with thrust vector control (TVC) to guide the missile from a vertical orientation through a pitchover maneuver into a trajectory intended to deliver the torpedo to an aim point on the ocean surface. Pre-launch commands for the VLA are provided by the ASW Combat System (ASWCS) which includes the Mk 116 Mod 6 (or 7) Underwater Fire Control System (UFCS), the Naval Tactical Data System (NTDS) data link receive capability, hull-mounted sonar AN/SQS-53B (the primary acoustic sensor for VLA targeting), towed tactical array sonar AN/SQR-19, data processor AN/SQQ-28 for sonobuoy data transmitted from a Light Airborne Multi-Purpose System (LAMPS) Mk III helicopter, and the operators. The AN/SQS-53B and AN/SQR-19 are shipboard sensors which provide detection, classification, and localization (position and movement of target) information for processing by the UFCS. NTDS allows another platform (ship or aircraft) to share information that it has on enemy submarine position and movement with a VLA ship by transmitting the information for use by the UFCS. LAMPS Mk III can relay similar submarine information from its deployed sonobuoys to its assigned VLA ship. Localization information, in conjunction with environmental data at the launch ship (surface winds, relative humidity, for example), is used by the UFCS to compute an aim point (intended water entry point) for the VLA. VLA missile inspection, as well as component replacement, missile assembly, and checkout (test) are conducted at an Intermediate Maintenance Activity (IMA) where the VLA missile is placed into a canister for storage or transportation to the ship. The canister is loaded into the VLS aboard ship and the VLA is fired from the canister. No corrective maintenance of VLA will be performed aboard ship. Component repair will be conducted at the depot level. The VLA program was initiated in the early 1980s to fulfill the need for a mid-range attack capability for surface ships with vertical launch systems. The VLA program was canceled in April 1988, in anticipation that another acquisition program, Sea Lance, would result in a longer-range ASW standoff weapon. In late 1988 Congress provided funding for a one-time buy of 300 VLAs until the surface ship-launched Sea Lance was fielded. This quantity was subsequently defined as 100 missiles for LRIP, with an additional 200 missiles for full production. VLA development continued, with OPEVAL occurring in August 1990. COMOPTEVFOR concluded that VLA was not operationally suitable and that low reliability precluded evaluation of operational effectiveness. FOT&E was conducted during June through August 1992 (missile assembly and encanisterization at the intermediate maintenance activity at the Naval Weapon Station, Yorktown, VA during June-July, and at-sea operational testing at an underwater test range of the Pacific Missile Range Facility, Barking Sands, HI during late August). The ship-fired, ASROC-delivered Mark 45 nuclear torpedo was parachute deployed before entering the water and searching for and finding the submarine target. The torpedo, moving at 40 knots until reaching the proper depth in the water, then began a horizontal movement toward the target. Once in place, the warhead detonated. SWORDFISH was a low-yield nuclear weapon test (less than 20 kilotons) of an antisubmarine rocket (ASROC) delivery system conducted in the Pacific. The underwater test produced a spectacular eruption on the ocean surface. Operation Sailor Hat involved using numerous conventional explosives to simulate nuclear blasts. Delta, the last Sailor Hat test in the ship evaluation program, was conducted to study seismological data, underwater acoustics, radio communications, cratering, air blast effects, cloud growth, fire ball generation, and electromagnetic data. CHARACTERISTICS Length: 192 inches Diameter: 14.1 inches (body) Weight: 1408 pounds Power Plant: Solid Propellant Rocket Warhead: MK 46 MOD 5 Torpedo Guidance: Terminal Acoustic Homing with MK 46 Torpedo Program: 438 missiles Total program cost (TY$) $630.2M Average unit cost (TY$) $0.84M Full-rate production FY93 Prime Contractor Loral Cleveland, how r u compare these guyz here r some pictures of ASROC http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/123...la-sequence.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/123...N-2343F-001.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/1234i/97vla.jpg enjoy (IMG:http://forum.pakistanidefence.com//style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/wacko.gif) |
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Aug 4 2004, 09:02 PM
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![]() CAPTAIN ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Full Members Posts: 573 Joined: 22-July 04 From: FortWayne, IN Member No.: 4,673 |
Kid you dont even know what you are talkin abt!! Lets talk abt the "REAL" systems that these countries have, shall we??
The Honeywell RUR-5 ASROC, that you mentioned was used until the 80s!! It was a very simple weapon. A solid-fuel rocket motor propelled the unguided weapon on a ballistic trajectory, and range was determined by setting a timer before launch. When the timer expired, the motor was separated and the payload continued to fall towards the water. A depth charge simply plunged into the water, while a homing torpedo was lowered by parachute. Ever heard of the XMGM-52B Sea Lance ?? (IMG:http://forum.pakistanidefence.com//style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://forum.pakistanidefence.com//style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://forum.pakistanidefence.com//style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://forum.pakistanidefence.com//style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://forum.pakistanidefence.com//style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/laugh.gif) -------------------- "The foundations of your State have been laid and it is now for you to build and build as quickly and as well as you can"
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Aug 6 2004, 12:53 AM
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![]() MAJOR GENERAL ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Senior Members Posts: 2,244 Joined: 7-February 03 From: Islamabad Member No.: 750 |
QUOTE Ever heard of the XMGM-52B Sea Lance you mean the cancelled sea lance -------------------- Scotty dosn't know, that Fiona and me............
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Aug 6 2004, 05:53 AM
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LIEUTENANT ![]() ![]() Group: Full Members Posts: 318 Joined: 12-January 04 From: karachi Member No.: 3,777 Location: karachi, pakistan |
QUOTE (DarkRifler @ Aug 4 2004, 09:02 PM) Kid you dont even know what you are talkin abt!! Lets talk abt the "REAL" systems that these countries have, shall we?? The Honeywell RUR-5 ASROC, that you mentioned was used until the 80s!! It was a very simple weapon. A solid-fuel rocket motor propelled the unguided weapon on a ballistic trajectory, and range was determined by setting a timer before launch. When the timer expired, the motor was separated and the payload continued to fall towards the water. A depth charge simply plunged into the water, while a homing torpedo was lowered by parachute. Ever heard of the XMGM-52B Sea Lance ?? (IMG:http://forum.pakistanidefence.com//style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://forum.pakistanidefence.com//style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://forum.pakistanidefence.com//style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://forum.pakistanidefence.com//style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://forum.pakistanidefence.com//style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/laugh.gif) XMGM-52b sea lance r cnceled cancelled look i got for u mr darkRifler (IMG:http://forum.pakistanidefence.com//style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/hitwall.gif) XMGM-52B Sea Lance The submarine launched anti-submarine standoff weapon, Sea Lance, was intended to replace SUBROC, although it was cancelled while in full scale engineering development phase. Sea Lance was to carry the newly developed Mark 50 Advanced Light Weight Torpedo (ALWT) payload and the development program included an option for follow-on, nuclear bomb payload variant. Sea Lance incorporated a digital guidance system similar to the inertial guidance system used in ADCAP. Sea Lance was capable of deep launch from a submarine torpedo tube with one of the two warhead options. The missile then is buoyed to the surface in a water-tight container where the solid propellent rocket motor ignites and delivers the weapon the target area at supersonic speed. At a point above the suspected target area, the warhead detaches form the rocket and parachutes to the water. Upon contact with water, the torpedo warhead assumes its search and attack pattern. The deployment of Sea Lance was intended to complement the capabilities of the ADCAP torpedo by providing a stand-off option whereby an enemy submarine can be incapacitated from a distance well beyond the maximum engagement range of the ADCAP torpedo. In addition, Sea Lance was to provide expanded engagement opportunities against high speed transiting and evading submarines. RUM/UUM-125 Sea Lance -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The submarine launched anti-submarine standoff weapon, Sea Lance, was intended to replace SUBROC, although it was cancelled while in full scale engineering development phase. Sea Lance was to carry the newly developed Mark 50 Advanced Light Weight Torpedo (ALWT) payload and the development program included an option for follow-on, nuclear bomb payload variant. Sea Lance incorporated a digital guidance system similar to the inertial guidance system used in ADCAP. Sea Lance was capable of deep launch from a submarine torpedo tube with one of the two warhead options. The missile then is buoyed to the surface in a water-tight container where the solid propellent rocket motor ignites and delivers the weapon the target area at supersonic speed. At a point above the suspected target area, the warhead detaches form the rocket and parachutes to the water. Upon contact with water, the torpedo warhead assumes its search and attack pattern. The deployment of Sea Lance was intended to complement the capabilities of the ADCAP torpedo by providing a stand-off option whereby an enemy submarine can be incapacitated from a distance well beyond the maximum engagement range of the ADCAP torpedo. In addition, Sea Lance was to provide expanded engagement opportunities against high speed transiting and evading submarines. (IMG:http://forum.pakistanidefence.com//style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/ohmy.gif) (IMG:http://forum.pakistanidefence.com//style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/ohmy.gif) (IMG:http://forum.pakistanidefence.com//style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/ohmy.gif) (IMG:http://forum.pakistanidefence.com//style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/ohmy.gif) (IMG:http://forum.pakistanidefence.com//style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/ohmy.gif) (IMG:http://forum.pakistanidefence.com//style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/ohmy.gif) |
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Aug 11 2004, 02:01 AM
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BRIGADIER ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Senior Members Posts: 1,307 Joined: 25-August 03 From: thimbktu Member No.: 2,286 Location: pakistan |
nice artile well boyz
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Aug 15 2004, 03:05 PM
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![]() CAPTAIN ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Full Members Posts: 573 Joined: 22-July 04 From: FortWayne, IN Member No.: 4,673 |
I know that the Sea Lance was cencelled but US has the technology for it. I dont know much about Sea Lance and what they are upto but cancellation of a project cannot negate the technological experience gained from it.
-------------------- "The foundations of your State have been laid and it is now for you to build and build as quickly and as well as you can"
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Aug 15 2004, 03:08 PM
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![]() CAPTAIN ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Full Members Posts: 573 Joined: 22-July 04 From: FortWayne, IN Member No.: 4,673 |
The Honeywell RUR-5 ASROC and Sea Lance have a huge, and I mean HUGE technological gap between them!!
Sea Lances' cancellation doesnt mean they dont have a different and better (perhaps?!) project!! -------------------- "The foundations of your State have been laid and it is now for you to build and build as quickly and as well as you can"
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Aug 18 2004, 06:08 PM
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GENERAL ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Senior Members Posts: 3,109 Joined: 9-November 03 Member No.: 3,185 |
I dont know why the Klub system is not mentioned in the Russian Category.
Here is a the detail Club Missile Characteristics [1,7] 3M54E 3M54E1 3M14E 91RE1 91RE2 Length (m) 8.22 6.2 6.2 8 6.5 Diameter (m) .53 .53 .53 .514 .514 Range (km) 220 300 300 50 40 Speed (Mach) .6-.8, terminal phase 3.0 .6-.8 .6-.8 N/A N/A Launch Weight (kg) 1920 1570 1780 2050 1300 Payload (kg) 200 400 400 450kg torpedo 450kg torpedo Trajectory Cruise Cruise Cruise Ballistic Ballistic |
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Aug 31 2004, 02:57 PM
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BRIGADIER ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Senior Members Posts: 1,307 Joined: 25-August 03 From: thimbktu Member No.: 2,286 Location: pakistan |
THATS INTRESTING
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