Us To Provide C-130s, P-3c Orion, Cobra Helicopter, Now that F-16 issue is over. Options

[vikasrehman]

Now that F-16 issue is OVER (4 most), almost over (to some) or not over (to a few), lets start another one. :)

I wouldn't like to bore yous to death, so only a few brief excerpts from the lon article. B)
p.s. This news may b old for some of yous :)

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/index.html

US to provide C-130s, P-3C Orion, Cobra helicopters

By Nadeem Malik

ISLAMABAD: The United States was likely to provide surveillance aircraft C-130s and P-3C Orion, and Cobra and Huey helicopters to strengthen the border security arrangement on the western borders and along the Arabian Sea, in addition to the radio equipment to communicate with the US military.

This military hardware was part of the US budget proposed for 2004 (starting October 1) that had recommended $395.2 million total assistance for Pakistan, including $75 million for the Foreign Military Financing (FMF) and $200 million for the Economic Support Fund (ESF).......Now according to PAK ambassador to US, this has nothing to do with the new $3bil dollar package.

"Foreign Military Financing (FMF) will also prepare the way for the broader, long-term objective of reshaping and improving our global defence posture through better security cooperation with Pakistan as a friend, ally and strategic coalition partner." It observed that fixed and rotary wing aerial transport, including C-130's and Cobra and Huey helicopters, were planned for FY 2003 (ending September 30, 2003). FY 2004 funds would be used for communications, including air-ground radios, to enhance interoperability with the US military, as well as P-3C aircraft for airborne surveillance for the navy to help track maritime smuggling of drugs and al-Qaeda operatives.

The US budget report for 2004 also stated that the funds might also be used to sustain and acquire additional US-origin equipment and training, including fighter training, ground support equipment, and high mobility transport vehicles -- the types of systems required to enhance border security and control the influx of terrorists and other infiltrators.


The FY 2004 security assistance request for Pakistan includes International Military and Education Training (IMET) to promote military-to-military rapport, understanding, and mutual cooperation leading to increased rationalization, standardization, and general interoperability between Pakistan and the United States. IMET would also assist Pakistan to develop expertise and systems to manage its defence establishment effectively; build technical skills for effective operation and maintenance of US-origin equipment leading to development of indigenous training capabilities on such equipment; and promote respect for human rights and subordination to democratic civilian rule.

[WINGZ]

vik....

why shud we belive a word of this??...to my knowledge the 3 billion is not an offer it is an "i will look into a " type thing.

When the cowboys drop these off we can then talk about this stuff. They mite pull a sly one and say, war is over, lets go home.

[vikasrehman]

:)
Agreed.
Such is the mistrust :)
Most of the article comes straight from US proposed budget reports.


PS. God helps those nation which help themselves.....otherwise things come to this. :) U r right, y we should trust them? I bet Pak officials would b thinking just like most of us that US can put sanctions on anytime, wot about congress approvals etc.......Ones again God helps those nation which help themselves :)

[WINGZ]

Pakistan did help itself...nuke,al-khalid and now fc-1.

But we need help in certain things...for example, we cant make an awacs anytime soon, which is why we need to purchase one...and an american awacs is one of the best going.

History can repeat itself...US turned its back on pakistan after russia was defeated, on f-16s so what say they dont do it again.

We need solid proof and we need to see what the US is doing....i personally think the US hasnt givn #### to pakistan , perhaps a few vehicles n small radars to fight al-qeda......can any1 trust a nation that just smashed another nation on the flimsiest of evidence....NO WMD, NO FUCKINN REASON TO ATTACK IRAQ.

I tell u another thing, dont trust the british too, they r the biggest coniving bastrds out there, they definatly went for the oil in iraq...if the US didnt.

[Rw #30]

I believe it cuz MUSHY didnt go to US for no reason or coming home Emprty handed so i belive the Hellies and ORIONS
Imagine more cobras
More huey Hellies
More C 130 ( MORE PARA TROOPERS ) KOOL
More PC 3 ORIONS
I trust every bit of this news cuz it makes sence

[WINGZ]

It says plans are for 2004, so we will see, 2004 is around the corner...but this is old stuff and will not streghthen us that much....the P-3C orions are cool though, they will do well for pak navy.

But again , anything cud happen.....can u really trust the US....will the US stick to its word....or will something happen forcing it to embargo these too.....??

Remember when india starts barking for a war...everthing gets halted.

[Haseeb]

Well, if somebody knows!!!

US is giving C-130Es. not the Hs.
and AH-1S or W. and not the Z
P-3C. and not E. or the new P-7.

THats all old crap. what to do with it? If they want to make us happy, they shoud give some newer tech weapons or an Awacs.

[3BSD]

Well, if somebody knows!!!

US is giving C-130Es. not the Hs.
and AH-1S or W. and not the Z
P-3C. and not E. or the new P-7.

THats all old crap. what to do with it? If they want to make us happy, they shoud give some newer tech weapons or an Awacs.

P-3C is fine, and as far as the C-130s are concerned, it does not really matter wether its E or H, they are transport planes and not weapons platforms where avionics matter. Same goes for the AH-1 choppers, what does it matter if the pilots don't have MFDs?

Although I do agree with you on the fact that they should have given us Hawkeyes.

-3BSD

[Munir]

One could upgrade it internally or select other parties...

[Rw #30]

Pak should force USA to give them atleast these cuz after all what we have done for them.

E-2C Hawkeye 1996 55 mills $
E-3A Sentry 1983 112 mills $

[WINGZ]

US may not GIVE THOSE, BUT THEY MAY be part of the defence package of 1.5 billion.

Pakistan can get some decent tech for 1.5 b, but then again the US is wanting to get rid of its old tech.

[Rw #30]

there trash our treasure right

[Major Saab]

why not go for a Brazilian AWAC ??????

[USAM]

Behold C-130J-30 AEW$C

Paf should ask for them because the C-130J-30 AEW&C is based on the stretched variant of the Lockheed C-130J Hercules II, which features a new engine and propeller combination and digital flight station for two pilots. The C-130J-30 AEW&C is fitted with the AN/APS-145 on pylons above the rear fuselage of the aircraft. A tactical command centre and crew rest module is fitted into the cargo compartment to contain seven operator consoles and the Northrop Grumman (ESID) Group II+ mission system derived from the E-2C Hawkeye. Lockheed Martin have teamed with Northrop Grumman (ESID) and Transfield Defence Systems of Australia for the C-130J AEW&C

Performance
C130J-30 Aircraft:

Max Take-off Weight - 155,000 lb
Operating Altitude - 29,000 ft
Time on Station - 11.5 hrs
Runway Length Required - 2,800 ft
AN/APS-145 Radar

Coverage of a 6 million cubic mile cylinder from sea level to 100,000 ft.
360 degree coverage in 10 seconds
IFF
Continuous detection and tracking of air and surface targets

Yes AN/APS-145 is same radar as one E-2C but C-130J-30 have more range and more endurance time, C-130J-30 is newer aircraft, and will be easy to handle as PAF already operates C-130.

Diagrams:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c130_cut.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/C130cut2.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/c130j_~1.jpg


http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/ec-130v.htm

[Rw #30]

I think this is a crappy news to now since ppl dont care

[ali23]

USAM what's the price of that C-130 AEW&C :unsure:

[Flanker30MKI]

I think the C130 AEW is too slow to fly around with jet escorts - and these will be needed if you'e going up against the IAF...

But maybe I'm wrong. I think the speed is 250 knots which is a bit slow...

:cat

[Haseeb]

Again that thing!!

They cant provide us the improved C130H, having good engines and payload. Not even the better Ah-1s and P-3s. and u r talking of C-130 Js.

I think we should be thankful to americans to what they gave us, and not to rely on them any more. I oppose any american origin AWACS plane.

[Rw #30]

Us just want to get rid of the trash to make money and invest it on some other projects