India Developing Agni-4 Icbm : U S Agencies Options

[Eagle]

24 Apr 2003

NEW DELHI: US agencies last year obtained information that led them to conclude that three organisations responsible for India’s nuclear weapons programme had sought clearance for a series of nuclear tests, says a media report. The report, in the April 14 edition of NuclearFuel, quoted unnamed Indian defence officials and American government officials as saying that clearance had been sought from Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee for fresh nuclear weapons tests, the first since India tested five devices in May 1998.

NuclearFuel is a US publication that covers issues related to nuclear energy and non-proliferation. Indian defence sources were quoted as saying that “for strategic deterrence reasons related to India’s rivalry with China, new tests must be carried out to develop a nuclear-capable payload of at least 160 KT for the Agni-IV missile”. Though India has denied it is currently working on an inter-continental ballistic missile called Agni-IV, the report said such a missile “is in early stages of development”.

Indian defence officials reportedly told NuclearFuel in March that “the Indian government had learned through back-channel diplomatic sources that the US had informed other Western governments that India’s Department of Atomic Energy (DAE), the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC), and the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO)” had sought permissio for the tests. US officials were quoted as saying that about six months ago, the Indian organisations filed the request for new tests with Vajpayee.

Indian officials also told NuclearFuel that “while DAE, BARC and DRDO have urged the government to allow them to test again, fresh tests may not be technically required for several years at least” as Agni-IV was still in development. “But according to US officials, it was not a coincidence that the nuclear weapons programme planners requested the permission last fall to test,” said the report.

India shocked the world with its nuclear tests in 1998, which came 24 years after its first test of a nuclear device. The Indian tests prompted Pakistani nuclear blasts the same month, following which the South Asian rivals declared themselves nuclear weapon powers. The US officials said that “in their view, the permission to test was handed up to the (Vajpayee’s) office at a time when Indo-Pakistani sabre-rattling and tension over Kashmir had flared up, with leaders and politicians in each country asserting that their respective state would win a military conflict in which nuclear weapons might or could be used.

“Indian defence sources, however, denied that bilateral tension between India and Pakistan had anything to do with the move by India’s nuclear programme directors to ask for more nuclear weapons tests,” the report said. “The US seems to think that the only reason we want to move this programme forward is in reaction to what goes on (along) our border with Pakistan,” one expert close to Vajpayee was quoted as saying. “They couldn’t be more wrong.”

The Indian sources said more tests were necessary for experts to confirm the reliability of a thermonuclear bomb design first tested in 1998. “India seeks to have an H-bomb with a confirmed yield of between 160 and 200 kilotons (KT),” these sources said. The H-bomb test has been shrouded in controversy. Indian organisations like DAE and BARC have said it was successful and the H-bomb produced a yield of just over 40 KT. President APJ Abdul Kalam, who played a guiding role in the 1998 tests in his then capacity as scientific advisor to the defence minister, too has said the H-bomb test was successful.

But the NuclearFuel report said US government laboratory analysts immediately disputed such claims. It also noted that a former DAE head, whose H-bomb team was tasked to build a thermonuclear weapon during the 1980s, had “asserted that the 1998 H-bomb test did not ignite all the fuel in the secondary stage of the device”. American officials said the DAE was “apparently convinced that the US would first object to fresh Indian tests as an obstacle to ties between the two countries, and then would brush off the issue after two or three years.

“The officials said DAE’s view is based on US official diplomatic behaviour since the 1998 tests and the US courting of India in its war on global terrorism,” the report noted. he report claimed the US government had moved “for warmer overall ties to New Delhi and greater bilateral nuclear cooperation, despite deep opposition to such a development by non-proliferation officials in the Department of State”.

“Western officials surmise that India may believe it prudent to carry out any further tests sooner rather than later, since currently Indo-US nuclear cooperation is limited to a programme for nuclear safety work between the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) and India’s Atomic Energy Regulatory Board,” the report said. If we test now there wouldn’t be any serious damage” to existing US-Indian nuclear ties, one Indian expert said. A US official concurred: “They might as well test now because, if they wait, the potential damage would be greater should they miscalculate” and the US were to halt cooperation that developed after then-NRC chairman Richard Meserve visited India in February.

This official also said New Delhi was now betting that any US sanctions that could be imposed on India after new tests “would be lifted in about two or three years,” given how Washington responded to the 1998 tests. The US suspended bilateral nuclear and defence cooperation after the 1998 tests but Meserve, during his visit, restored cooperative programmes and added two more issues to the Indo-US nuclear agenda that had been sought by India. —IANS

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[Magnus]

Isn`t indian ICBM called SURYA.

[Eagle]

SURYA is 12,000 kms range missile, the AGNI-4 has shorter range compared to SURYA.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/india/surya.htm

[BruteBhangee]

Its roumred to an MIRV.

[Eagle]

Its roumred to an MIRV.

AGNI-4 ?

Also, reports say that a 160-200Kt nuclear warhead is been made for AGNI-4 ICBM.

[Rehman_21]

Allright... this isn't good news!!!

If India achieves ICBM, that is not good... not goot at all!!!

[rajeev]

India already has ICBM capability. The satellite launch vehicles can be modified to be a ICBM anytime India wishes to. PSLV and GSLV are more than ICBM's in their distance capability.

What India is doing now is to develop an ICBM which is all weather usable, solid stage, easy to use and fire type, mobile in both road and rail, as small as possible and easy to hide, GP system controlled or satellite controlled, in ecxess of 14000 kms etc.

After Agni-3 is tested later this year with a range in excess of 4000 kms, Agni - 4 with 8000 kms, then Surya will come with a range of 14000 kms and more.

[platinum786]

alrighty now, lets jus chill out, what have we to worry about, they can reach every part of pakistan anyway.

[platinum786]

I feel though that by the end of the year or early next year would be a good time to role out the big boys, just for the sake of doing it. Stuff like Shaheen 3, Gauri 3, Tipu missile, Hummas system, ASD-37, maybe an early test of that cruise missile they are rumoured to be building (begins with B, sounds like bahrak or something), a SLBM too.

it’s all about the pschycology of the matter you see. They are testing big range missles to say to Pakistan, “hey look what we can do”, like the testing of Brahmos, everyone knew it worked, it was a painted Yahkont, but it was tested for a spectacle.

We need to put on a big fireworks show, long range missiles, SAM systems, SLBM’s, Cruise missile, ABM system, it all worries the enemy, stirs their public, installs fear, caution…..

In the long term we need to get satellites into space, lots of them, to improve communication for the conventional forces, make the cruise missile a real threat by having in it running on real time processing, basically give us a huge eye in the sky, as well as paving the way for ICBM’s. But the best reason for them, is spying!!

With satellites up, we can improve our communications massively, and spy on them next door AND get up ICBM’s coz that is the real aim.

Today the USA is “talking” to N.Korea, why coz they can get them, I’m not saying they will attack us, I’m saying it’s our duty to be prepared for anything.

About 100 ICBM with MIRV technology protects us from any threat, for the next 20 years at least, letting us have time to be secure and build.

[Averroes]

Smelly indian bastard, fukin take that word bak u ##### face, how dare u use the word ####

And to all the other guys, I bet a million benjamins that pakistan have made and/or are in the middle of malking nukes exceeding the range of 4000kms

[Averroes]

Another ###### on ma list, ure another Saman wannabe ###### that needs his ass cussin, but let me get this thing rite, u just made a fool of ure self dik hed

a 4000kms range nuke is in research or more likely prototypes shud be made by now. This missile was in research fo a few years now just like ure India is proposing the research of missiles exceeding 8000 and 12000kms ranges, now thats wot i call fukked up.

BTW, yes it did touch a nerv of mine just as the post i posted touched a nerve of urs, n neways wot u gon do about it. Cos if u r gon do something bout it, then bring it on, u indans are easy to take the pisss out of, u fukin animal worshippers.

Now u need medical attention and also, let me point, kids arent welcome here, if havent got the knowledge of nuclear, military, air force etc then go to some Cartoon Network Forum, it will be more helpful to u.

So ##### u indian, have a #### day

[pak-fa]

seems u dont realize what u re talkin abt! there's no such thing as 4000 Km nuke. Missiles havee range, nukes are measured in terms of their destruction power. Tonnes!

[Averroes]

U dik hed, it u that doesnt understand, wen refering to nukes i am referring to nuclear missiles and yes nuclear missiles do have ranges. Go check up some source and it will emphasis it range in kms. In actual fact go check out info on ure own Agni nuclear missiles. fo some reason u have this understanding that nukes are something different to missiles, wtf :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Thilipan]

i never heard of any ballistic missile being called as nuclear missile.....i've heard about ballistic missile with a nuclear warhead, nuclear capable or nuclear tipped missile. Agni is a Ballistic missile capable of carrying a nuclear war head! Range in nuclear sense means range of destruction and not the range of its travel, normally nukes are measured in Tonnes!

[pak-fa]

U dik hed, it u that doesnt understand, wen refering to nukes i am referring to nuclear missiles and yes nuclear missiles do have ranges. Go check up some source and it will emphasis it range in kms. In actual fact go check out info on ure own Agni nuclear missiles. fo some reason u have this understanding that nukes are something different to missiles, wtf :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ok, so a nuke is a nuclear missile :cat , which in turn is a Ballistic missile :rolleyes:

[WINGZ]

i've heard about ballistic missile with a nuclear warhead

Actually your point is floored, and even many defence analyst stumble on their words.

A ballistic missile is different to a nuclear missile, the difference being in their warhead(which you mentioned) and the damage they exert. But you cant say balllistic missile with a nuclear warhead, because it has changed from a ballistic missile into a "nuclear missile" or a nuclear bomb which some defence anaylst still use(the older "budday" anaylst still use the word nuclear bomb, for any device that is using a nuke in it).

Ballistic does not refer to the rocket, which you are indirectly implying by saying u tip it with a warhead.

A warhead likewise can vary from a ballistic warhead, chemical warhead and a nuclear warhead.( so if you can say ballistic missile gor a ballistic warhead, then u can also say nuclear missile for a nuclear tipped warhead.....there is no harm in this, and HENCE KILO IS RITE
WHEN HE DID SAY IT...WE ALL KNOW WAT HE MEANT!!) :)

Hence kilo wud be rite to differentiate the two.

You are linking the two together, which shud be avoided when talking about missiles.(btw i neva heard any1 say ballistic missile tipped with nuke....bla bla they)

[Thilipan]

we all know what he meant, but we just want him to understand the difference!

hmm so u never heard anyone saying that Ballistic missile capable to carry nuclear warheads? may be bcoz u dint giv too much attention to what u read, or u've never read it !!

u totally have a wrong idea about BM...Ballistic in BM deontes the ballistic trajectory of the missile/projectiles path. i hope u know about ballistic trajectory... they have fixed navigational guidance (no GPS/GLONASS mid-course alteration, ezcept TBM). Other than that RV's can have realtime guidance.

so there is no missile/word, nuclear missiles as such! coz WMD missiles particularly BM in most cases are classified only based on their trajectory and not exactly on warheads (nuclear, chemical, bilogical, conventional).

There's a big difference (scientifically/linguistically) between nuclear-capable missile and nuclear missile!
Thats why they normally say nuclear capable BM or nuclear tipped BM. so it's better to research u'r answer b4 rejecting other posts and yeah all those blah blah's do mean something...really important in this case.

[Averroes]

Thilipian, if i didnt understand i wudnt be posting here. U wanted to make a meal out of something that didnt need talking aboout. But nevertheless u understand now regardless of wot u thought.

[Thilipan]

i and evryone understood what u meant! and good for u if u know what really u meant!!

but just look at "wingz" post, he was completely wrong about ballistic missiles! he classified it based on the war heads !! so after all this small "making meal" event will definetely help him to know what it really is!!

[Averroes]

Hey, no point tellin me what he posted, thats his post and his knowledge of the subject so tell him.

[Thilipan]

hmm i guess u'r in yar wrong foot!

i and evryone understood what u meant! and good for u if u know what really u meant!!

thats why my entire reply (2nd one) was to WINGZ !

[Rw #30]

stop actin dumb

[Averroes]

Loser, ure that sad bastard loser on this board that has nothing to do but moan like a #####.

I think uve been reading ure grandmas Guru Granth Sahib where ure take the understanding that I posted a definistion of a nuke and a ballistic missile. Understand this u monkey worshipping bastard, why cant u have a 4000km nuke, like all of u have acknowledged that you can have a nuclear tipped warhead, this is empahised is the pakistani shaheen and ofcourse the indian Agni, you can have ballistic and nuclear versions, of the same missile. The rocket does not change in its structure or its ability to deliver. I ask you u fuckinn parasite do you know what a WARHEAD IS??

n NO ITS NOT THE TIP OF URE DADS DICK, which u named the Lulli missile.

N u call me a peanut brain, at least ive got one, and Id rather watch Dexters Labroratory than fill my mind with ure Indian Bull Shitt

(As lull says) O Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t) Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t)

[Averroes]

Btw, i think uve increased ure intelectual capacity by visiting them Cartoon Network forums, luk at ure so called professional post riddled with so many of ure little animated friends (n in case u dont understand, im on bout the smilies n not ure barby dolls) Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t) Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t)

[Averroes]

U indians are all the same, cant use ure own lyrics so u use ours. Ure fukin father started shaggin that donkey in ma bak yard thats how u n ure brothers n sistas were born.

How sad, ure dad raped a donkey,

I heard its ure bros wedding next week. I heard hes gettin married to the local sheep. N I heard theres an engagement between ure sista n the barbers dog. N ill let u into a secret, u no the elephant down lane that uve been stalking u paedophile, well aparantly, ure mama n ure papa, r plannin on gettin u hitched to her as ure the father of that poor sole baby elephant.

U fukin animal lovers. Y do u have such facination, u mite as well live on a farm, that way ure fantasises will be fullfilled.

Btw I heard ure mama cant afford a G-String so she uses dental floss, oo she must have a sore ass, specially after i finished with her n ure sis. It was a nice three some.

O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t) O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t) O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t) O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t) O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t) O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t)


Kothey, go bak to ure gandwara and turn out ure wild fire.

Tudloo, n hope to hear from ure BS very soon. :rolleyes:

[Yasin]

i have never known anyone like u kilo
how do u manage such stupididty
most ppl on this forum are sensible and respect the others' culture and patriotism
but you are a stinking whore of a bitcher
if u arent getting any girls whr u live, just go somewhr else man
no need to ##### arnd here
this is a defence forum... not a ###### whore house
and if u dont stop generalizing abt indians, u better watch out u son of a #####

respect to the rest of the guys here
and a big old finger to you kilo
Yasin

[ehtisham]

Agni-3 ranges 4000 Kms
Agni-IV 8000 kms
Surya 1400kms

Is this true?

[wild_fire]

U indians are all the same, cant use ure own lyrics so u use ours. Ure fukin father started shaggin that donkey in ma bak yard thats how u n ure brothers n sistas were born.

How sad, ure dad raped a donkey,

I heard its ure bros wedding next week. I heard hes gettin married to the local sheep. N I heard theres an engagement between ure sista n the barbers dog. N ill let u into a secret, u no the elephant down lane that uve been stalking u paedophile, well aparantly, ure mama n ure papa, r plannin on gettin u hitched to her as ure the father of that poor sole baby elephant.

U fukin animal lovers. Y do u have such facination, u mite as well live on a farm, that way ure fantasises will be fullfilled.

Btw I heard ure mama cant afford a G-String so she uses dental floss, oo she must have a sore ass, specially after i finished with her n ure sis. It was a nice three some.

O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t) O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t) O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t) O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t) O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t) O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t)


Kothey, go bak to ure gandwara and turn out ure wild fire.

Tudloo, n hope to hear from ure BS very soon. :rolleyes:

Hey mods why have my posts being removed.

I was just trying to help this tormented kilo 4 que or whatever his BS name is :D

As for you kilo4que, see a doc soon, lest you want your parents to disown u :megalol

I mean who wants a guy who cannot frame a sentence right :D

Man, what a lossssssssssssssssssssser :unigrad

[Munir]

I don't understand why one religeon has to better then the other Kilo... Respect is a better way to end up in heaven... If you ever reach that stage.

To others: India has the right to develop what it needs. We don't shout towards US, Russia, Israel, UK or France... I don't hink that Pakistani people should react hostile towards ICBM of India... They are not going to be pointed at Pakistan... Not even China... It should be clear to others countries that the Indian government has some strange ideas about superpower combined with poverty (and poetry)...

[Averroes]

Yasin u blak bastard, u can take that finger n shuv it up ya dads ass. Hoo the ##### r u nob hed, im sure u just posted in order to increase ure ratings as i have never replied to u nor have i received any replies from u. Y do u find so much fasination in a indian trying to grind ure own people, and when they retaliate, u take the indians side. Furthermore, if i was such a bad person i.e. a parasite on this forum, then i wud have been banned a long time ago, I have a just reason y i post some of the filth i do, and its people like u, hoo cant wipe their asses that i get into conflict with and send them back where they come from. Telling me its a defence site, y do u emphasise such a point, r u the mod, or maybe u just wana ass lik :lol: ,

Now u go n play with that OLD finger of urs, as they say, "old is gold" :lol:

(if u want an ass kicking, reply bak as u did prior to this, otherwise i give u a chance with an appology for interupting, tudloo and god, btw, u didnt gain no browny points from the mods)

[Averroes]

As for u wild fire, y is it that u waste ure time n energy even trying to reply to me cos ure simply takin the pisss outa ure own self. U only know two things, tormented + loser, u have no other lyrics #####.

I think it goes thru ure family, thats y u recursively utter the words,

N munir, have u been a sleep or something, well i think u have, i dont think uve been taking notice of the forums in depth, thats y u reply as such.

[Averroes]

Btw Yasin, I aint no pusssy hole mother fukker like u thats afraid of confronting indians, ure a fukin back stabbing bastard to all us pakistanis and also a note to mention, u dont deserve to keep that name of such respect. Yasin is a name ure not worthy of, so fukin remove it #### ####, n yes, since u did mention a whore house, i heard ure mum opened one down the lane n ure sisters getting emplyed by her.

[wild_fire]

Btw Yasin, I aint no pusssy hole mother fukker like u thats afraid of confronting indians, ure a fukin back stabbing bastard to all us pakistanis and also a note to mention, u dont deserve to keep that name of such respect. Yasin is a name ure not worthy of, so fukin remove it #### ####, n yes, since u did mention a whore house, i heard ure mum opened one down the lane n ure sisters getting emplyed by her.

WHat ur mum runs a whore house?????????????/ :)Clp :)Clp :)Clp

And u say ur sis works their.....hmm......ok send me a oic and then i will see weather i would like to screw her or maybe leave it for my dog, he is getting a bit jittery these days. :D :D

So loser hows ur dad treating u, hey why don't u put some moisturiser in ur mouth, and tell ur dad to go easy on u for a few days, i mean u need ur tongue for other purposes rather than moisturizing ur daddy's choti "lulli' :megalol

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat a loser :megalol :megalol

:red>< :red><

[Yasin]

what the heck is up with this guy...i am an indian so why shudn't i side with the indians..where did i ever mention i am a pakistani..atleast i keep my real name for the forum unlike you using kilo..??
yasin is freaking my personal pet name..what is ur problem with it..and where does it say that indian's can't use that name..wht the heck is the problem with u ....ithought you would be sensible enough to understand that..rite..!!

What i don't get is what are the moderators doing sitting around letting you BS on and on. This forum is about Agni 4 ICBM and not to take out ur differences here...so atleast try to act mature and contribute to the forum..!! and if you can't then try keeping ur mouth shut ok..!!

Yasin

[wild_fire]

hey cool down Yasin :rolleyes:

Just some guy steeped in inferiority complex.

Coming back to the topic, i guess making one should not be a problem considering the fact that we already have a good space based infrastructure.


So i guess IND can make an ICBM, and certainly good tool for power projection

[pak-fa]

U indians are all the same, cant use ure own lyrics so u use ours. Ure fukin father started shaggin that donkey in ma bak yard thats how u n ure brothers n sistas were born.

How sad, ure dad raped a donkey,

I heard its ure bros wedding next week. I heard hes gettin married to the local sheep. N I heard theres an engagement between ure sista n the barbers dog. N ill let u into a secret, u no the elephant down lane that uve been stalking u paedophile, well aparantly, ure mama n ure papa, r plannin on gettin u hitched to her as ure the father of that poor sole baby elephant.

U fukin animal lovers. Y do u have such facination, u mite as well live on a farm, that way ure fantasises will be fullfilled.

Btw I heard ure mama cant afford a G-String so she uses dental floss, oo she must have a sore ass, specially after i finished with her n ure sis. It was a nice three some.

O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t) O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t) O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t) O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t) O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t) O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol: O baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (w00t)


Kothey, go bak to ure gandwara and turn out ure wild fire.

Tudloo, n hope to hear from ure BS very soon. :rolleyes:

Guys, I know one word for all the BS k4q posts....."stupid ####"....watchout for the replies!!!

[Oqaab]

Another ###### on ma list, ure another Saman wannabe ###### that needs his ass cussin, but let me get this thing rite, u just made a fool of ure self dik hed



So ##### u indian, have a #### day

oo control yaar!!!

[Mr. X]

I hyave enough of it, yasin and wild i gave you both enough chance to live on this forum and to act gently. now i am adding you both to my hit list of black sheep indians. just for the record, dont be surprised if you wont be able to access to this forum in future. CLOSING THE THREAD ALSO